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LowerSouth
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No analysis, but agree it is maybe, the weakest part of our game.
beyondthefourth
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Judging by yesterday, I think our most effective strategy is having Sykes weakly shank it straight to the opposition.
LowerSouth
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Often corners go direct to the goalie.
Grumpy Git
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We never seem to do an different. Just lump it into Dickie.
RyanioBirdio
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Think there’s long been a bit of a myth around the true value of corners. A study was done a while ago based on 10,000 corner kicks. Of the 10,000 kicks analysed just 1,362 led directly to an attempt at goal, and of those attempts only 182 went in. That means that only 1.82% of the corner kicks analysed ended in goals, so you could have 50 corners and if you scored once - which would mean a conversation rate of 2% - you’d be outperforming the statistical average.
Not to say they’re unimportant or that you can’t improve and perform well above the average, of course. Merely offering a little insight into the real value of a corner kick versus what we often think as spectators.
Not to say they’re unimportant or that you can’t improve and perform well above the average, of course. Merely offering a little insight into the real value of a corner kick versus what we often think as spectators.
Shosho may have some.
I think that throughout football league the average conversion rate is around 5%, but we have so many corners, ours is probably less than that.
When Moore is playing, I am surprised that we dont do better.
Sir Winston
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Whenever we get a corner it’s always an opportune time to have a quick toilet break ?
Ah 1.82% thanks Ryan.
Man City almost always take short corners as they think I assume it pointless to just put it in the middle.
We used to try some short cormers (some in the crowd had a go at that tactic)
Scotchegg
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During the 2018 World Cup, England put together several corner routines that created a number of goals. I expected to see teams follow this into the league, but very little has changed.
At a guess, I'd say that 90% of corners are aimed for between the six yard box and the penalty spot, with the result of most either going too low and hitting the first man, going too high and clearing everyone, going too close to the keeper for an easy take, or being a straight up battle between defending/attacking centre backs.
I would like to see us really shake it up with our corner routines, particularly if we go up a league. There is a massive opportunity to significantly increase our goal scoring opportunities by nailing the near post corner routine (see 1996 for more details), or drilling the ball to a Brannagan/Baptiste on the edge of the box. Another underused routine is to go deep with a Dickie or Mous getting round the back to put the ball back across the keeper.
We have Dickie, Mous, Ruffels, Gorrin and Henry who are all very good in the air, and the likes of Brannagan or Cadden who should be able to put the ball on a sixpence. It's surprising therefore that we haven't looked at how we can make more of our set pieces count.
At a guess, I'd say that 90% of corners are aimed for between the six yard box and the penalty spot, with the result of most either going too low and hitting the first man, going too high and clearing everyone, going too close to the keeper for an easy take, or being a straight up battle between defending/attacking centre backs.
I would like to see us really shake it up with our corner routines, particularly if we go up a league. There is a massive opportunity to significantly increase our goal scoring opportunities by nailing the near post corner routine (see 1996 for more details), or drilling the ball to a Brannagan/Baptiste on the edge of the box. Another underused routine is to go deep with a Dickie or Mous getting round the back to put the ball back across the keeper.
We have Dickie, Mous, Ruffels, Gorrin and Henry who are all very good in the air, and the likes of Brannagan or Cadden who should be able to put the ball on a sixpence. It's surprising therefore that we haven't looked at how we can make more of our set pieces count.
Shosho
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Ohhhh I could talk all day about set pieces.
Have looked into it pretty extensively - it’s now pretty obvious the teams that have set piece specialists working with them. It’s not as simple as the delivery...you need screens, blockers, runners. A good set pieces is almost like an NFL play. Set pieces are hugely under valued within the game and provide a big edge for any club that’s spends more than 5 minutes on it - if you could create 10-15 goals from set pieces that would be the equivalent of a decent striker throughout the season and costs considerably less.
Looking at Oxford specifically, we currently have a pile up on the penalty spot, Dickie pulling to the back post and the sand wedge delivery from Brannagan. Pretty predictable.
On to straight numbers:
Unsurprisingly Wycombe have had the most shots from set pieces (can’t find corners specifically) with 121, they have scored 11. Oxford are in 9th for set piece shots taken with 84, however we ave only scored 3...the third least.
It’s an area that could easily improve with little work - I’d be happy with 15 set piece goals before the turn of the year like Rotherham!
Have looked into it pretty extensively - it’s now pretty obvious the teams that have set piece specialists working with them. It’s not as simple as the delivery...you need screens, blockers, runners. A good set pieces is almost like an NFL play. Set pieces are hugely under valued within the game and provide a big edge for any club that’s spends more than 5 minutes on it - if you could create 10-15 goals from set pieces that would be the equivalent of a decent striker throughout the season and costs considerably less.
Looking at Oxford specifically, we currently have a pile up on the penalty spot, Dickie pulling to the back post and the sand wedge delivery from Brannagan. Pretty predictable.
On to straight numbers:
Unsurprisingly Wycombe have had the most shots from set pieces (can’t find corners specifically) with 121, they have scored 11. Oxford are in 9th for set piece shots taken with 84, however we ave only scored 3...the third least.
It’s an area that could easily improve with little work - I’d be happy with 15 set piece goals before the turn of the year like Rotherham!
IsleofWightYellow
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I disagree that he takes good corners, he seems to just float it up to the far post every time, better than not beating the first man but they never seem very threatening. I prefer the whipping it in style of Maguire or Garbutt
Paul Cannell
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Christ save us from those bastards.
IsleofWightYellow
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....fence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece
Interesting piece on corners
Interesting piece on corners
DannyW
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That's very interesting
beyondthefourth
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The issue with Brannagan's floated corner is that they're so difficult to attack. I think the logic behind them is that they're also difficult to clear. A pacy corner can be headed powerfully away, which could lead to a more effective counter opportunity.
I do think there's a middle ground though between a long and short corner. Just playing the ball to the corner of the box for someone to whip the ball in with pace will disrupt the defensive shape and maybe allow someone like Taylor or our big defenders a bit more space to attack the ball.
I do think there's a middle ground though between a long and short corner. Just playing the ball to the corner of the box for someone to whip the ball in with pace will disrupt the defensive shape and maybe allow someone like Taylor or our big defenders a bit more space to attack the ball.
brassmonkey
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Dickie has had numerous chances to score from corners. He needs to work on his placing of headers. Moore from what i have seen is our biggest goal threat.
