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General Corners

Frustrated Yellow

Frustrated Yellow

Level: John Aldridge
(141 Apps, 90 Gls)
L1: Reaction Apprentice
Has anyone got an analysis on why we are getting so little joy from corners?
12 yesterday and I can remember Dickie getting one near the target nothing else much.
I don't remember (could just be my memory) any success at corners since Dunkley with Maquire supplying
 
No analysis, but agree it is maybe, the weakest part of our game.
 
Brannigan takes very good corners, delivery is fine imo
Can put my finger on why we don’t capitalize somehow
 
Often corners go direct to the goalie.
 
Would be interesting to see corner conversion rate compared to other l1 teams. Anyone got this stat?
 
Think there’s long been a bit of a myth around the true value of corners. A study was done a while ago based on 10,000 corner kicks. Of the 10,000 kicks analysed just 1,362 led directly to an attempt at goal, and of those attempts only 182 went in. That means that only 1.82% of the corner kicks analysed ended in goals, so you could have 50 corners and if you scored once - which would mean a conversation rate of 2% - you’d be outperforming the statistical average.

Not to say they’re unimportant or that you can’t improve and perform well above the average, of course. Merely offering a little insight into the real value of a corner kick versus what we often think as spectators.
 
radicalox said:
Would be interesting to see corner conversion rate compared to other l1 teams. Anyone got this stat?
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Shosho may have some.
I think that throughout football league the average conversion rate is around 5%, but we have so many corners, ours is probably less than that.
When Moore is playing, I am surprised that we dont do better.
 
Foley said:
Shosho may have some.
I think that throughout football league the average conversion rate is around 5%, but we have so many corners, ours is probably less than that.
When Moore is playing, I am surprised that we dont do better.
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Ah 1.82% thanks Ryan.
Man City almost always take short corners as they think I assume it pointless to just put it in the middle.
We used to try some short cormers (some in the crowd had a go at that tactic)
 
During the 2018 World Cup, England put together several corner routines that created a number of goals. I expected to see teams follow this into the league, but very little has changed.

At a guess, I'd say that 90% of corners are aimed for between the six yard box and the penalty spot, with the result of most either going too low and hitting the first man, going too high and clearing everyone, going too close to the keeper for an easy take, or being a straight up battle between defending/attacking centre backs.

I would like to see us really shake it up with our corner routines, particularly if we go up a league. There is a massive opportunity to significantly increase our goal scoring opportunities by nailing the near post corner routine (see 1996 for more details), or drilling the ball to a Brannagan/Baptiste on the edge of the box. Another underused routine is to go deep with a Dickie or Mous getting round the back to put the ball back across the keeper.

We have Dickie, Mous, Ruffels, Gorrin and Henry who are all very good in the air, and the likes of Brannagan or Cadden who should be able to put the ball on a sixpence. It's surprising therefore that we haven't looked at how we can make more of our set pieces count.
 
Ohhhh I could talk all day about set pieces.

Have looked into it pretty extensively - it’s now pretty obvious the teams that have set piece specialists working with them. It’s not as simple as the delivery...you need screens, blockers, runners. A good set pieces is almost like an NFL play. Set pieces are hugely under valued within the game and provide a big edge for any club that’s spends more than 5 minutes on it - if you could create 10-15 goals from set pieces that would be the equivalent of a decent striker throughout the season and costs considerably less.

Looking at Oxford specifically, we currently have a pile up on the penalty spot, Dickie pulling to the back post and the sand wedge delivery from Brannagan. Pretty predictable.

On to straight numbers:
Unsurprisingly Wycombe have had the most shots from set pieces (can’t find corners specifically) with 121, they have scored 11. Oxford are in 9th for set piece shots taken with 84, however we ave only scored 3...the third least.

It’s an area that could easily improve with little work - I’d be happy with 15 set piece goals before the turn of the year like Rotherham!
 
jayhi1810 said:
Brannigan takes very good corners, delivery is fine imo
Can put my finger on why we don’t capitalize somehow
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I disagree that he takes good corners, he seems to just float it up to the far post every time, better than not beating the first man but they never seem very threatening. I prefer the whipping it in style of Maguire or Garbutt
 
RyanioBirdio said:
Think there’s long been a bit of a myth around the true value of corners. A study was done a while ago based on 10,000 corner kicks. Of the 10,000 kicks analysed just 1,362 led directly to an attempt at goal, and of those attempts only 182 went in. That means that only 1.82% of the corner kicks analysed ended in goals, so you could have 50 corners and if you scored once - which would mean a conversation rate of 2% - you’d be outperforming the statistical average.

Not to say they’re unimportant or that you can’t improve and perform well above the average, of course. Merely offering a little insight into the real value of a corner kick versus what we often think as spectators.
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That's very interesting
 
The issue with Brannagan's floated corner is that they're so difficult to attack. I think the logic behind them is that they're also difficult to clear. A pacy corner can be headed powerfully away, which could lead to a more effective counter opportunity.

I do think there's a middle ground though between a long and short corner. Just playing the ball to the corner of the box for someone to whip the ball in with pace will disrupt the defensive shape and maybe allow someone like Taylor or our big defenders a bit more space to attack the ball.
 
beyondthefourth said:
The issue with Brannagan's floated corner is that they're so difficult to attack. I think the logic behind them is that they're also difficult to clear. A pacy corner can be headed powerfully away, which could lead to a more effective counter opportunity.

I do think there's a middle ground though between a long and short corner. Just playing the ball to the corner of the box for someone to whip the ball in with pace will disrupt the defensive shape and maybe allow someone like Taylor or our big defenders a bit more space to attack the ball.
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Think the intention of the floated cross is forDickie to head back across goal - which carries a higher chance of scoring.

The downside being the keeper has a pretty easy time as despite putting a player on him we don’t create any other blocks
 
Shosho said:
Think the intention of the floated cross is forDickie to head back across goal - which carries a higher chance of scoring.

The downside being the keeper has a pretty easy time as despite putting a player on him we don’t create any other blocks
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Not much chance of that if they are floated into the 6 yard box, as that's too easy for the keeper.

Pretty much all of Brannagan's went that way against Lincoln.
 
I've said for years to anyone that will listen that if a player were to take up position on or just in from the corner of the penalty area on the opposite side from the kick, the ball would come through to him more often than not, either because the corner is over hit or the defense gets a flicked header on to it.

It seems an obvious way of recycling the ball to me - so obvious that there must be a tactical reason that I can't see for doing it....
 
The corner against City, shows why we don’t score many, Dickie had virtually a free header but straight into arms of Bravo, that aside Dickie has be awesome
 
One for the stats gurus here.

Isn’t success at corners often down to the average height of the team? I’d contend we are not an especially tall team and this is backed up by the impression that we don’t in fact score a high ratio of headed goals.

Correct me if I’m wrong of course.
 
Or looking at it another way - how many do we concede from corners? That's the other side of the coin, teams defending them. Any team regularly letting goals in from corners would be called weak.
 
Oxfordpete said:
The corner against City, shows why we don’t score many, Dickie had virtually a free header but straight into arms of Bravo, that aside Dickie has be awesome
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Not sure it does at all.

Most of our corners our players get nowhere near them.
 
Oxymoron said:
I've said for years to anyone that will listen that if a player were to take up position on or just in from the corner of the penalty area on the opposite side from the kick, the ball would come through to him more often than not, either because the corner is over hit or the defense gets a flicked header on to it.

It seems an obvious way of recycling the ball to me - so obvious that there must be a tactical reason that I can't see for doing it....
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I say it every corner we have, put someone on that position, or just outside the box. A fair proportion end up getting glanced out to that area and there is never a player positioned to collect it. Baffling.
 
HampshireYellow said:
I disagree that he takes good corners, he seems to just float it up to the far post every time, better than not beating the first man but they never seem very threatening. I prefer the whipping it in style of Maguire or Garbutt
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Interesting, I’m sure you’re right. I don’t recall them to necessarily be floated I guess the maguires and Garbutts strike the ball with a lot more effect/severity

I think with corners as long as we retain the ball then they have some value, because the general stats are obviously not good.
Maybe short corners are better for us because it suits or style of play.
 
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