-
Join OxVox
The forum would encourage all members to consider joining OxVox during this important moment in our history. See here for more information.
Carabao cup final
- Thread starter AbbeyOx
- Start date
- Season Ticket
- Yes
- Stand
- North (Family)
It's was very awkward to watch. I felt sorry for Sarri. I think the keeper acted out being injured with cramp. Sarri believed him and thought a keeper with cramp would not be good for a pen shootout.
Unbelievable when Sarri started walking through the doors of Wembley, I thought we were witnessing a manager walking out on a club during a game!
Sarri was fuming
- Season Ticket
- Yes
- Stand
- South Lower
- Row Letter(s)
- ZZ
Unbelievable.
Will Sarri be relieved of his duties tomorrow?
Will Sarri be relieved of his duties tomorrow?
- Season Ticket
- Yes
- Stand
- Jim Smith (East)
- Row Letter(s)
- ZZ
Never seen anything quite like that... unbelievable disrespect by the keeper
Leysboy
Level: Les Phillips
(224 Apps, 15 Gls)
What that goalkeeper has done is totally poisonous. It’s undermining the manager, and may of cost them winning that trophy. Cabelero was ready to come on and has a history of saving pens. It’s basically showing the audience in the stadium and around the world, that there is too much player power in football. None of the Chelsea players went to Kepa, and told him to get off!
It needs to be stamped out, and I feel very strongly about that as much as I do for kicking rascism out of football.
If I was Sarri, then I’d be on the phone to Roman, and telling him to stuff this circus, and walk! More dignity walking than being fired.
It needs to be stamped out, and I feel very strongly about that as much as I do for kicking rascism out of football.
If I was Sarri, then I’d be on the phone to Roman, and telling him to stuff this circus, and walk! More dignity walking than being fired.
Gary Baldi
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
Chelsea being Chelsea - it's like seeing a dynasty slowly dying out in front of our eyes. The keeper went down twice in absolute agony only to then tell the manager to eff off when he thought he would be taken off. Rudiger also got in Sarri's face. What a horrid ish show they've become ?
I do think the Ref could have been better - he just let it all unfold rather than do something to get the keeper off the pitch. Glad City won after all that.
I do think the Ref could have been better - he just let it all unfold rather than do something to get the keeper off the pitch. Glad City won after all that.
- Season Ticket
- Yes
- Stand
- North (Family)
Sarri defending the player! Outrageous!
- Season Ticket
- Yes
- Stand
- Jim Smith (East)
- Row Letter(s)
- U
- Seat Number
- 111
- Year of First Game
- 1986
How is that even allowed to happen? If you are subbed you would think that you have to go off, we are now in the position where players can decide they are staying on and that’s that, should be in the rules that they have to go off.
Massively disrespectful to his manager, his position is now untenable after that as it’s obvious the players don’t respect him, he will be gone soon.
Massively disrespectful to his manager, his position is now untenable after that as it’s obvious the players don’t respect him, he will be gone soon.
I feel for Sarri. In the eyes of many he’s made and making errors (playing Kante where he does boggles everyone’s mind but his own) but he’s not deserving of a player power grab like that from Kepa. Imagine if Schmeichel or Van Der Sar had done that at Man United. No matter who the player was, SAF would have binned them instantly.
The thing is Kepa cost £75m. You can’t just sack or drop a player like that. What do you do? Suck it up and accept that Kepa is done as a Chelsea player (flogging him to the a well paid but miserable existence at some Chinese PL side would be a fitting career stifling punishment) or attempt to mediate between him and Sarri.
People talk about the football bubble bursting. Maybe just maybe we’re on the cusp of seeing that.
The thing is Kepa cost £75m. You can’t just sack or drop a player like that. What do you do? Suck it up and accept that Kepa is done as a Chelsea player (flogging him to the a well paid but miserable existence at some Chinese PL side would be a fitting career stifling punishment) or attempt to mediate between him and Sarri.
People talk about the football bubble bursting. Maybe just maybe we’re on the cusp of seeing that.
- Season Ticket
- Yes
- Stand
- North (Family)
Surprised the ref didn't at least book him for not leaving the pitch.
I think the keeper genuinely had some kind of twinge which Sarri thought could impair him during the penalty shoot out.
There was only a minute or so of extra time left to play, so Sarri had to make a quick decision which was to replace Kepa. Sarri wasn’t planning on substituting Kepa for tactical reasons, he was doing it because he thought Kepa was injured.
Kepa upon seeing that the manager wanted to substitute him responded by not coming off as he felt he was alright to carry on, so this wasn’t a case of a manager wanting to substitute a player for tactical reasons. Having said that, no matter what Kepa thought, he should have come off or at least had the decency to speak to Sarri on the touchline.
Just a very unfortunate situation which should never have happened, which I think wouldn’t have if there was more time on the clock to go as Sarri/player could have seen if he was ok to carry on. Also, it was the second time he had gone down with a twinge/cramp etc.
There was a no win situation. If Chelsea had gone on to win the cup with Kepa being the hero then further questions would be raised about Sarri or like what happened, Chelsea lose with Kepa having missed an easy save etc. Also, this wasn’t about player power. I personally feel that there was something wrong with Kepa (twinge/cramp etc), but he wanted to stay on to see out the whole game and possibly be the hero for them in the penalty shoot out.
The whole situation was hyped up by the media because of Sarri’s current status. I wonder if the same reaction would have been if it was Pep Guardiola!
Last edited:
I think the players do respect him which was evident by their display.
H
horseman
Guest
Yes you can and yes you should, make him play with the kids, what difference does his price tag make? he totally ignored his manager and as good as gave the v sign...if that's not dealt with properly then the game is finished.
Sarri should have kept walking as he's finished there now anyway because after that the players have shown they are billy big bollox and will continue do what they want.
Jerome'SAle
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
He was refusing to take goalkicks all match to waste time so it was deliciously ironic that this all came about because he was feigning injury to waste yet more time. I know Wembley's a big pitch but ive never seen a goalkeeper get cramp so much...
it was basically 120 minutes of Kepa drinking from his bottle and staring at the ball on the 6 yard line whilst the referee watched impotently on...before even Kepa got bored and mistakenly kicked it into play for a minute or two of football broke out.
Made it a shitshow of a game. Referee has to indirectly take his share of the blame for being so spineless. Game was too big for him.
it was basically 120 minutes of Kepa drinking from his bottle and staring at the ball on the 6 yard line whilst the referee watched impotently on...before even Kepa got bored and mistakenly kicked it into play for a minute or two of football broke out.
Made it a shitshow of a game. Referee has to indirectly take his share of the blame for being so spineless. Game was too big for him.
didn't help the way he did a ronaldo style wink before it went to penalties
RyanioBirdio
Level: Les Phillips
(224 Apps, 15 Gls)
- Season Ticket
- Yes
- Stand
- South Upper
Caballero is a penalty specialist and former Man City player, so has therefore trained against many of their players for a long time. Those two things combined made him the best choice for a shoot out, and Kepa has disobeyed. Anybody who believes this story that has been put out about it being a misunderstanding is a fool - look at Sarri’s reaction. The guy is apoplectic and goes to walk down the tunnel, and not one Chelsea player goes over to ‘clear up’ the situation let alone the goalie himself. In fact only one player goes over to talk to Kepa at all, David Luiz, and at no point does he gesture that he should go off or even point to the bench as if to say he should at least speak to the manager. He simply covers his mouth while saying a few words and then trots off. Hardly the behaviour of somebody trying to sort the issue, more like telling his mate to stay put and do what he wants.
Some of the nonsense I’ve heard on the radio and seen online since it happened has been truly staggering. People saying he has the right to finish the game, he’s their number one, if the player says he’s fine and is confident you have to listen to them etc. No, you respect the sport as well as your boss by obeying a substitution. Many goalkeepers over the years have been brought on just for penalties, including at World Cup’s let alone domestic trophies. Sometimes your reserve goalkeeper is weaker at everything else compared to your first choice except that one thing, and if that is the case then you’re going to want your specialist on the pitch. Imagine a world where a renowned penalty taker who perhaps isn’t fully fit is on the bench, and they go to bring him on with 30 seconds left so that he can take one kick, and the player they want to sub off flatly refuses and says he isn’t having it. Not only would nobody find anything odd or unacceptable about trying to bring such a player on, it simply wouldn’t happen that the player being subbed refuses. There is nothing weird or stupid about what Sarri tried to do, only in the arguments of the people trying to excuse Kepa. He’s not only been hugely disrespectful to everything and everyone, but he’s now opened a can of worms that might be difficult to put the lid back on. How many more players will try this now?
As for Sarri, he had a chance in front of the world to put a nail in player power and failed. Everybody saw what was going on and was open mouthed, seeing just how bad Chelsea’s problems are in this department, and if he’d insisted Kepa come off then combined with the world seeing what had gone on he would have had so much support and sympathy that it would have hugely strengthened his position. As it stands he crumbled and now he’s done for. He should’ve demanded the referee make the player leave the pitch when he went over to ask what he wanted to do, and if he’d still ignored it then the referee would’ve booked him, and subsequently sent him off if he continued to refuse. That way he gets to bring the goalie on for an outfield player who is bottom of the list and he gets what he wanted anyway, while simultaneously being able to point at the player and go “He got himself sent off as well as ignoring instructions, this is what I’m dealing with.” He caved in and as a result he’s lost not only his current job, but has tarnished his own reputation at other clubs who will see that and realise he isn’t strong enough to manage top players.
The whole thing is a total shambles, but not for one second is there an ounce of truth in that statement, which the club has forced them both to vouch for in terms of fire fighting. A dark day for football as a whole.
Some of the nonsense I’ve heard on the radio and seen online since it happened has been truly staggering. People saying he has the right to finish the game, he’s their number one, if the player says he’s fine and is confident you have to listen to them etc. No, you respect the sport as well as your boss by obeying a substitution. Many goalkeepers over the years have been brought on just for penalties, including at World Cup’s let alone domestic trophies. Sometimes your reserve goalkeeper is weaker at everything else compared to your first choice except that one thing, and if that is the case then you’re going to want your specialist on the pitch. Imagine a world where a renowned penalty taker who perhaps isn’t fully fit is on the bench, and they go to bring him on with 30 seconds left so that he can take one kick, and the player they want to sub off flatly refuses and says he isn’t having it. Not only would nobody find anything odd or unacceptable about trying to bring such a player on, it simply wouldn’t happen that the player being subbed refuses. There is nothing weird or stupid about what Sarri tried to do, only in the arguments of the people trying to excuse Kepa. He’s not only been hugely disrespectful to everything and everyone, but he’s now opened a can of worms that might be difficult to put the lid back on. How many more players will try this now?
As for Sarri, he had a chance in front of the world to put a nail in player power and failed. Everybody saw what was going on and was open mouthed, seeing just how bad Chelsea’s problems are in this department, and if he’d insisted Kepa come off then combined with the world seeing what had gone on he would have had so much support and sympathy that it would have hugely strengthened his position. As it stands he crumbled and now he’s done for. He should’ve demanded the referee make the player leave the pitch when he went over to ask what he wanted to do, and if he’d still ignored it then the referee would’ve booked him, and subsequently sent him off if he continued to refuse. That way he gets to bring the goalie on for an outfield player who is bottom of the list and he gets what he wanted anyway, while simultaneously being able to point at the player and go “He got himself sent off as well as ignoring instructions, this is what I’m dealing with.” He caved in and as a result he’s lost not only his current job, but has tarnished his own reputation at other clubs who will see that and realise he isn’t strong enough to manage top players.
The whole thing is a total shambles, but not for one second is there an ounce of truth in that statement, which the club has forced them both to vouch for in terms of fire fighting. A dark day for football as a whole.
I feel sarri for the manager.
even kompany joked he should try that. agree this might start off something with other players trying it. totally disrespectful
even kompany joked he should try that. agree this might start off something with other players trying it. totally disrespectful
- Season Ticket
- Yes
- Stand
- Jim Smith (East)
- Row Letter(s)
- U
- Seat Number
- 111
- Year of First Game
- 1986
I don’t think the media have to do much hyping on this one, I watched a player refused to be substituted live on tv, whether he was injured or not it wasn’t his decision to make.
How much do you have to pay someone to follow a simple, reasonable instruction? Obviously more than £5 million a year.
What if a manager thought that Messi was injured to then find out he’s okay? Then Messi informs the manager that he’s ok to play on.
- Season Ticket
- Yes
- Stand
- Jim Smith (East)
- Row Letter(s)
- ZZ
That's fine if the manager wants to keep the uninjured Messi on. But if the manager wants to sub him once he knows he is uninjured then the player should leave the pitch with as much grace as he can muster. Not just stay on and refuse to be subbed.
NottsYellow
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
Player power will only increase at Chelsea whilst they are under the 2 window transfer embargo.
But he only wanted to sub him because he thought he was injured.
Don’t get me wrong, I think the player was disrespectful and should have gone off or at least gone and spoken to Sarri, that way he (Sarri) May have changed his mind.
Oslernorth
Level: John Aldridge
(141 Apps, 90 Gls)
Where was the Captain in all this? Also Kepa's £75m price tag will surely be tarnished here. I know I'd want a hell of a lot more professionalism for that sort of money
Jerome'SAle
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
Bullshit. Kepa has been timeswasting criminally all game and the "injury" was cramp. Hes a goalkeeper FFS! If Sarri thought it was a genuine injury...Christ there are no words
Why did Sarri want to take him off for then?
Jerome'SAle
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
Isn't it obvious?
If your man city heading into penalties would you rather face kepa, or a keeper with a reputation for penalties who knows your players inside out having played for you for years?
But he hadn’t even started getting Willy warming up until Kepa went down with cramp/twinge, so if he wanted to get him on beforehand, then you would have least thought he would have had him warming up/getting ready.
