Bury and the players statement

The level of literacy is worryingly low. The level of logic is lower.

I think we should always sympathise with other fans in this position. It might be us. Bury's fans are blameless. The fault lies with those in football who are happy to accept cash from any source just to keep the gravy train rolling. I cannot imagine that the current owner was in the least convincing or credible when he bought the club.
 
oldabingdonian said:
The level of literacy is worryingly low. The level of logic is lower.

I think we should always sympathise with other fans in this position. It might be us. Bury's fans are blameless. The fault lies with those in football who are happy to accept cash from any source just to keep the gravy train rolling. I cannot imagine that the current owner was in the least convincing or credible when he bought the club.
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I think we all sympathise with supporters of all clubs who get into problems. The supporters are the ones who have spent years and years of their lives tramping around the country to watch their team, been elated by the highs and devastated by the lows and allowed hope and loyalty to triumph over logic! The problem is that football has become grotesquely unbalanced with all the money (and stupid amounts of it) concentrated at the top - which then seems to require that they get minted owners to pour in even more millions to keep them at the top of the greasy pole. Clubs slightly further down the pyramid have to accept finance from people who you'd normally cross the road to avoid just to try and keep going. Meanwhile, grass roots clubs are folding due to the lack of a few hundred quid.

It's a mess.
 
Organisations like FSF have been trying to educate the football community about this for years, but seemingly to little avail. The statement from the chair of Accrington Stanley pointing out that the Pogba transfer would have funded his club for 16 years was eye-catching and entirely relevant. Perhaps two things we can do:
- encourage fans, especially younger fans, to go to games rather than watch Champions League etc online
- avoid joining the inevitable chorus on websites like this urging the broad to 'splash the cash' at all costs.
 
oldabingdonian said:
Organisations like FSF have been trying to educate the football community about this for years, but seemingly to little avail. The statement from the chair of Accrington Stanley pointing out that the Pogba transfer would have funded his club for 16 years was eye-catching and entirely relevant. Perhaps two things we can do:
- encourage fans, especially younger fans, to go to games rather than watch Champions League etc online
- avoid joining the inevitable chorus on websites like this urging the broad to 'splash the cash' at all costs.
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Holt has also mentioned that’s its pretty much pointless trying to run sustainably because this is a ticking bomb that will hit all lower league clubs.

Chairmen are faced with two options:

- Spend loads to get promotion and move the club up the food chain

- try to run sustainably however delaying the inevitable
 
The Bury Chairman makes Thanakarnjanasuth look vaguely competent. Truly worrying times for the Shakers!
 
Remember Merstham? Their manager has just left, but says sometimes getting promoted isn't always best for the club.

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“Yes the decision would have been the same had we got promoted,”he said. “It’s the right time for me to leave and equally for Merstham. It’s a club that have given me so much but there’s nothing more for them to give.
“Promotion would have caused issues and the club wouldn’t have been able to finance it.
“The reality is the team that finished bottom in National League South have double the playing budget I had at Merstham.
“The players would have had to have bigger increases at that level and we would have had to find £60,000 to £80,000 just to get the ground to that level.
 
Reading it again:

The Bury owner has with his threat of lawyers has followed the Oystons playbook.

That he takes credit for the men and women's teams getting promoted is laughable. I would suggest ALL credit goes to the players and the staff for doing it whilst not being paid (and the additional stress that involves).

And his praise of Shaun Harvey, hmmm, 2 peas in a pod I guess.
 
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Marked Ox said:
Reading it again:

The Bury owner has with his threat of lawyers has followed the Oystons playbook.

That he takes credit for the men and women's teams getting promoted is laughable. I would suggest ALL credit goes to the players and the staff for doing it whilst not being paid (and the additional stress that involves).

And his praise of Shaun Harvey, hmmm, 2 peas in a pod I guess.
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final nail in his coffin?:unsure:
 
A further observation:

The owner clearly has no clue what is happening with the club's manager and the contracted players, or whether the club still have any!

That is rather slapdash considering they are valuable assets as he turned down bids for 2 of them in January.

How many will still be there in 2 weeks time? I think Ryan Lowe certainly won't be there.

Even if they don't end up with a points deduction, they will likely be in a major mess next season as this looks like it will drag on and on. Got to be one of the favourites for relegation already sadly for them, but the bigger victory will be the club surviving altogether.
 
Marked Ox said:
A further observation:

The owner clearly has no clue what is happening with the club's manager and the contracted players, or whether the club still have any!

That is rather slapdash considering they are valuable assets as he turned down bids for 2 of them in January.

How many will still be there in 2 weeks time? I think Ryan Lowe certainly won't be there.

Even if they don't end up with a points deduction, they will likely be in a major mess next season as this looks like it will drag on and on. Got to be one of the favourites for relegation already sadly for them, but the bigger victory will be the club surviving altogether.
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Major mess = Play offs :)
 
Eaststandboy said:
Major mess = Play offs :)
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Lowe had the players mostly in place at the start of this season. This time, they will likely have few players and will be shopping in the players that haven't got picked up later in the transfer window category.

If Lowe goes then I can see Maynard easily finding another club, likewise the 2 who had bids turned down for them (Telford and O'Connell I think). They could, of course, put in for breach of contract now and move for nothing.

If, as I suspect, Lowe moves on then they will have to go through appointing a new manager as well and little will be done for that whilst this mess continues. So assess what is left of the players and sign most of a squad (even if a takeover goes through!) late in the transfer window. Signing key players late in the window worked well for us last season. :confused:

As I say, their biggest battle for me is survival as a club and it seems to be how their fans are looking at it.
 
Shosho said:
Holt has also mentioned that’s its pretty much pointless trying to run sustainably because this is a ticking bomb that will hit all lower league clubs.

Chairmen are faced with two options:

- Spend loads to get promotion and move the club up the food chain

- try to run sustainably however delaying the inevitable
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Honestly, with the Premier League riches inflating wages to the degree they are, it's starting to look to me as if the only way to make the Football League sustainable is to institute a hard salary cap.

At the end of every year, clubs would have to post their annual revenues - including TV money, ticket sales & merchandise (but not corporate sponsorship, as that can be manipulated) - and then the following season their total wage bill can only be a fixed percentage (someone else would have a better idea of what is sustainable, but I guess ~70%) of those revenues. Every % over this wage cap = one point docked.

Yes, teams coming down from the Premier League would be at a massive competitive advantage.....but then they already should be anyway.
 
Bury have today announce that the club offices will be shut all week and until further notice.
Looks like while the EFL top wigs are having the best prawn sandwiches at Wembley this weekend they are carefully ignoring another one of their clubs going to the wall due to a dodgy owner that they approved of!
 
Sounds like liquidation is looming for Bury, very sad if it happens wouldn't even want those swine down the road to face this. Hopefully it dont go that far.

If it were to happen does anyone have any idea what happens to the league?
 
Fixtures get released on June 20th.

I imagine if Bury went to the wall substantially before then, it could mean reprieves for Plymouth & Notts county.

If it happens after that, I imagine we'll be playing in a 23-team League One with only three relegation places.

But hopefully they sort something out so it doesn't come to that.
 
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