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Brexit - Deal or No Deal?

  • Deal

    Votes: 51 29.1%
  • No Deal

    Votes: 77 44.0%
  • Call in the Donald

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Call in Noel Edmonds

    Votes: 8 4.6%
  • I don't care anymore

    Votes: 37 21.1%

  • Total voters
    175
Gary, you also ignore the democracy you claim to want to regain.

The Conservative party formed a government using financial blackmail with the DUP. The conservative MPs were therefore supposed to support the PM and cabinets plicies and hence EU deal they put together within their own party. It was the ERG who scupperedit

There was no cross party effort ever made, which would have allowed labour and others to support it.

Some would say Corbyn has played this well as the Conservative party failed to pass their own deal and became embroiled in their own internal war. Which you’ve recognised led to paralysis in other policy development.

You could also argue that no parties manifesto included no deal policy which means that Bojo is actually contradicting that manifesto but don’t let that ruin reality either.
 
It looks like parliament is being suspended in a few weeks.

Get yer popcorn out
 
1) The Remainer MPs were representing the 16.1 million Brits who voted to stay in the EU (as well as the youngsters that are either too young to get a vote, or idiotically didn't exercise their right to do so); those who thought that leaving the EU was an act of self-sabotaged and would rather it didn't happen. Or if it did have to happen, that it would be as 'soft' as possible.
They do, but they can't stop it - the May deal was a close alignment that wasn't in the EU, but as close as you can get. A customs union was never practical. I still feel for the losing side, but so what? How long do we wait in this awful purgatory while the rest of the house burns down? We need to move on, for better or worse.

2) The Remainer MPs haven't let No Deal happen yet - they're still working hard to stop it. Which is why we've still got two months of political shenanigans ahead of us.

So far, they are. They've never engaged in the process honestly, and the parliamentary time is not on their side now. Even more so with the recent leak.
 
Gary, you also ignore the democracy you claim to want to regain.

The Conservative party formed a government using financial blackmail with the DUP. The conservative MPs were therefore supposed to support the PM and cabinets plicies and hence EU deal they put together within their own party. It was the ERG who scupperedit

There was no cross party effort ever made, which would have allowed labour and others to support it.

Some would say Corbyn has played this well as the Conservative party failed to pass their own deal and became embroiled in their own internal war. Which you’ve recognised led to paralysis in other policy development.

You could also argue that no parties manifesto included no deal policy which means that Bojo is actually contradicting that manifesto but don’t let that ruin reality either.
But that is a parliamentary process as set out in their rules. It's more democratic than using parliamentary conventions from the 1800s to screw the Govt over! Democracy is to leave the EU as we voted, not to hang on in purgatory as we have been for 3 years.

Corbyn has played this atrociously. He's bombed his northern votes to keep Islington happy, he's had no opinion and provided little leadership. He's more incompetent than May, which is quite hard.

No Deal is part of the Article 50 taken by Parliament. How many times do I need to point it out? MPs voted to pass it, so agreed to a No Deal. The fact they are too stupid to realise it, is their own fault!
 
"It's time a new government and new PM set out a plan for the country after we leave the EU."

Which is what can be done with prorogation and stopping the petty, point scoring squabbling.

The opposition have brought this on themselves.
 

So Johnson is going full on Dictator and the claims about Parliamentary Sovereignty by the Leave Campaign has been shown for what it is, a lie.

Alternative view somebody is being decisive and doing what is best for the country and what the electorate voted for. ?
 
I realise hypocrisy is rife, but I'd love to hear from someone who saw a no deal Brexit as representing 'democracy' yet now denies that suspending the democratic parliamentary process is undemocratic.

Point of order - 'we' did not vote for a no deal Brexit. In fact, many rampant Brexiteers (like Johnson) stated at the time of the referendum that a deal must be done.

Johnson is desperate to concentrate power in his own hands. First step in suspending the freedoms that many Brexiteers thought we would re-take control of on leaving the EU.

If it wasn't so sad, this saga could almost raise a smile.

Said it before ...it should have been written into law that we left the day after the referendum on WTO or similar.
That would have given clarity to the choice, kicking the can for 3 years has done nothing but created uncertainty and division.
This has now led to the need for drastic action to break the paralysis which we now seem to have.
 
One of the biggest concerns for me is Trump's total endorsement of Johnson :rolleyes:

Johnson's one-seat majority government planning to suspend parliament is blatantly wrong IMO
banging on about democracy while stopping democratically elected MPs from representing their constituents
by suspending parliament, thus denying the democratic process to run its course is absolutely undemocratic.
Johnson and his far removed from the real world chums are toxically dangerous and potentially seriously damaging for the future of the UK. Any government that attempts to shut down the democratically elected representatives of the people having their say is bordering on dictatorship :oops:
 
One of the biggest concerns for me is Trump's total endorsement of Johnson :rolleyes:

Johnson's one-seat majority government planning to suspend parliament is blatantly wrong IMO
banging on about democracy while stopping democratically elected MPs from representing their constituents
by suspending parliament, thus denying the democratic process to run its course is absolutely undemocratic.
Johnson and his far removed from the real world chums are toxically dangerous and potentially seriously damaging for the future of the UK. Any government that attempts to shut down the democratically elected representatives of the people having their say is bordering on dictatorship :oops:

It isn't bordering on, it is dictatorship.
 
Prorogation isn`t anything "new", from the Beeb:

"The last two times Parliament was suspended for a Queen's Speech that was not after a general election the closures lasted for four and 13 working days respectively.
Parliament is normally suspended - or prorogued - for a short period before a new session begins. It is done by the Queen, on the advice of the prime minister.
Parliamentary sessions normally last a year, but the current one has been going on for more than two years - ever since the June 2017 election."

No different to Corbyn et al forming an alliance and chucking in votes of no confidence....

Its just a game being played out.
 
Prorogation isn`t anything "new", from the Beeb:

"The last two times Parliament was suspended for a Queen's Speech that was not after a general election the closures lasted for four and 13 working days respectively.
Parliament is normally suspended - or prorogued - for a short period before a new session begins. It is done by the Queen, on the advice of the prime minister.
Parliamentary sessions normally last a year, but the current one has been going on for more than two years - ever since the June 2017 election."

No different to Corbyn et al forming an alliance and chucking in votes of no confidence....

Its just a game being played out.

The reason Johnson wants to do it is different.
 
I think this is hot from the desk of Dominic Cummings - not that I really agree with the dog and pony show, but I suppose we have a Govt taking control for the first time. Seeing the reaction of the people who want to ignore the referendum vote then blather on about democracy has been a delicious irony. Good old Bercow is having a right old tantrum.

In reality, it's only 3 or 4 days of parliamentary time lost due to Conference season, and they could have extended it to 1st November if they were being really arsey about it. And as the Govt control the legislative agenda, it's a moot point if those 4 days would not have been filled with legislative filler anyway and opposition MPs would have been able to do much anyway.


Also, it's worth reading this unbiased article:

Having not had a Queen's speech for 2 1/2 years, this a very fortunate stunt that can be pulled. I am surprised the former Attorney General forgot about this is in his hissy fit this morning to the media. It's worth noting that Major prorogued parliament over Maastricht and MPs expenses in the 1990s, so some vague precedence is there.
 
@Gary Baldi don`t be posting links to facts and procedure like its happened before.
Remember its a "dictatorial takeover" akin to the Third Reich. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Folk think BJ is a stupid buffoon but he seems to have whipped the carpet from under a few folk & played a blinder.

Crack on!! (y)
 
@Gary Baldi don`t be posting links to facts and procedure like its happened before.
Remember its a "dictatorial takeover" akin to the Third Reich. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Folk think BJ is a stupid buffoon but he seems to have whipped the carpet from under a few folk & played a blinder.

Crack on!! (y)
It's a Coup apparently. And there needs to be a General Strike as well. I saw photos of the Reichstag (?) being burned down being posted online. So it's being taken well eh?

The salient point is the the Maybot's lack of confidence or oomph in calling for a Queen's Speech after getting a kicking in the election meant that there was a legislative procedure in place for BoJo to use now, if he saw fit. He could have done it anyway, but such a long gap between speeches made it an open goal, such that makes it a lot harder to get around it for the likes of Bercow or the HoL. Who are about to filled with more peers ?

As you say, this is another example of where the BoJo administration are focused and doing their work in the detail.
 
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