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Brexit - Deal or No Deal?

  • Deal

    Votes: 51 29.1%
  • No Deal

    Votes: 77 44.0%
  • Call in the Donald

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Call in Noel Edmonds

    Votes: 8 4.6%
  • I don't care anymore

    Votes: 37 21.1%

  • Total voters
    175

Sheik djibouti

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And I see that Iain Duncan Smith has decided to drop the image of "resepctable" politician and come out as full-on WWII spiv, judging by his choice of hat.
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He'll fit right in after a no-deal crash out.
 

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https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/obligation. I leave this here then with a few bottles of Chilean and South African wine.

So you can predict all the variables to see the EU crashing and them not being able to mitigate the damage of us leaving under a crash out brexit, but can't do the same thing for the UK or estimate a very rough timescale due to too many variables.

Hahahaha, you really put the UK and the EU agreeing a trade deal in 3 months as a hypothetical when it has taken far longer over the Withdrawal Agreement and that isn't finished?!

The TPP would require a drop in food standards etc iirc as the US would insist. But then cheap US food might be necessary as leading Brexiteer economist Patrick Minford said a crash out brexit will pretty much destroy Agriculture and Manufacturing in this country.

That is one negotiator, so we have somebody who can maybe be involved with a couple of trade negotiations over a year. Who is going to do the rest?
Nope, it's possible (and a scenario raised by some in the EU themselves, not the UK side), also possible (and we don't need to buy any food that doesn't meet our standards), there are other appointments also.
 

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Nope, it's possible (and a scenario raised by some in the EU themselves, not the UK side), also possible (and we don't need to buy any food that doesn't meet our standards), there are other appointments also.
It won't happen as it would be a world record by a long way, unless our Govt bends over backwards of course. If we did that then we'd be better not leaving.

The US will insist on food standards being dropped, Congress is already under pressure from the Agricultural lobby and Trump has already demonstrated his willingness to support US Agriculture. So Chlorinated Chicken, hormone fed Beef will meet our standards. Food producers of processed food will see it as a lovely way to reduce costs (remember the Horsemeat scandal).

If we still have a food industry then to compete (apart from niche producers) we'd have to go the same way with the Beef/Chicken.
 

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Bitter, much?

Comments like that will justify some Brexiteers reasons to leave with a No Deal.
Honestly, although I agree with some of the sentiments, especially with regards chancers like BoJo, it's clearly a conscious decision by Tusk to come out with this statement (rather than lashing out in frustration) and a really odd tactic if he wants a deal to get signed. You'd think this comment will do nothing but harden the Brexiteers' resolve to stand firm in not accepting what's on the table.

First sign that the EU are moving their thinking towards a No Deal scenario because they're giving up on the UK government being able to raise consensus around a workable proposal? They have, after all, been preparing for it much longer and put a lot more thought into the consequences than the UK has......


As an aside, got to love Rees-Mogg's response - "Mr Tusk is hardly in the Aquinas class as a theologian and he seems to have forgotten the commandment about not bearing false witness."
JRM.....man of the people. :rolleyes:
 

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Bit of an odd statement. The characters he's on about had been consigned to hell long before Brexit came about.
 

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The guys obviously upset if a hard brexit happens because the contributions will stop and they will have to draw the money from elsewhere.
It looks like he’s lost the plot and lashing out at those who disagree with him. Maybe the EU is not all it is cracked out to be.
I would have liked to see the politicians get on and get some deal but that’s looking very unlikely with irrational meddling politicians from the EU.
 

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Sky Sources say Japanese car manufacturer Honda is preparing to close its Swindon plant with the loss of 3,500 jobs
 

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Sky Sources say Japanese car manufacturer Honda is preparing to close its Swindon plant with the loss of 3,500 jobs
Although rumour has it that this is not tied to Brexit, as much as to the recent signing of the EU-Japan trade deal.

Sounds like they're not planning to move the plant to mainland Europe, but rather are going to move all production back to Japan because they no longer have to pay tariffs on Japan-to-EU exports and they can undertake production 'back home' more efficiently.

Tangentially, I guess this is still an anti-Brexit argument, just not as direct, as it emphasizes how signing free trade deals left and right with other countries is not going to bring manufacturing back to Britain for anything even remotely commoditized, as we just don't do it as cheaply and efficiently as other competing nations...…...
 

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Although rumour has it that this is not tied to Brexit, as much as to the recent signing of the EU-Japan trade deal.

Sounds like they're not planning to move the plant to mainland Europe, but rather are going to move all production back to Japan because they no longer have to pay tariffs on Japan-to-EU exports and they can undertake production 'back home' more efficiently.

Tangentially, I guess this is still an anti-Brexit argument, just not as direct, as it emphasizes how signing free trade deals left and right with other countries is not going to bring manufacturing back to Britain for anything even remotely commoditized, as we just don't do it as cheaply and efficiently as other competing nations...…...
They are also closing their factory in Turkey to move production back to Japan so irrelevant. One thing I find interesting is that the factory will remain as is until 2021/2 so just confirms nothing to do with Brexit.
Bmi airline administration is all about Brexit so some media would like us to think but it has been stated they have been losing substantial amounts of money each month for a long time and have basically run out.
 

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They are also closing their factory in Turkey to move production back to Japan so irrelevant. One thing I find interesting is that the factory will remain as is until 2021/2 so just confirms nothing to do with Brexit.
Bmi airline administration is all about Brexit so some media would like us to think but it has been stated they have been losing substantial amounts of money each month for a long time and have basically run out.
Brexit is a contributory factor with the Airline, it is not the only factor though. The collapse in the exchange rate for £ Sterling was wholly down to Brexit which has added a good 15% to their costs.
 

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Anyone else noticed that for certain posters nothing bad has anything to do with Brexit. They gleefully cheer on what they call no-deal Brexit without the faintest idea of the consequences.

Still You've got your conutry back. Or Rather Jacob rees Mogg's got it- and he';s moving his hedge fund to Dublin. Believe there'll be some vacancies for forelock-tuggers down Somerset way
 

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Anyone else noticed that for certain posters nothing bad has anything to do with Brexit. They gleefully cheer on what they call no-deal Brexit without the faintest idea of the consequences.

Still You've got your conutry back. Or Rather Jacob rees Mogg's got it- and he';s moving his hedge fund to Dublin. Believe there'll be some vacancies for forelock-tuggers down Somerset way
Has anyone also noticed that with some posters everything bad is to do with Brexit. The world economy is shrinking as is the European economy with Italy already in recession and others on the edge of it,not forgetting the debt to GDP of some of these countries.
Getting out of theEu now will save us some of the fall out in 10 years when it has all gone tits up.
Just for the record I have travelled to many countries in the Eu and will continue to do so when time allows and like the people I have come across generally. I also think there are things we could learn from them rather than places elsewhere.
 

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Agree with you Pete. I have yet to see a convincing, coherent, fact-based argument for leaving the EU and how we will be better off economically, scientifically, academically and even culturally as a result.

I have seen plenty of scare stories about Maastricht treaty and what will happen from 2020 onwards if we were to stay (EU Army, have to adopt the Euro, lose our veto etc etc). All have been debunked. All are more project fear than the original project fear itself! The EU army bit always makes me laugh, have we forgotten that we're part of NATO and already do their (or should I say the US') bidding?

I also see that non-EU immigration is up(from the bit we have ALWAYS had sovereign control over), whilst EU immigration is at an all time low. I have never had a particular issue with immigration (at least not one that could be specifically blamed on the EU) - many who voted leave did. Am I the only one to see the irony here?

I also see that the good old US of A have published their opening gambit for a US/UK trade deal and (shock, horror!!) it includes reducing food standards and removing tariffs, which poses a significant risk to the UK food and other industry, not to mention the NHS. How far should we bend over, Uncle Sam?

The country is already crippled by Brexit and has been for most of the last 2 years. The amount of resource in the public sector that has been diverted and is actively working on Brexit and the contingency planning required is eye-watering and scandalous. And lest we forget, this is just working on the initial exit and interim arrangements, let alone the longer term relationship and deals that we will need. So expect masses of public sector resource tied up in that for most of the next decade, with you and I the good old tax payer funding the lot, whilst vital services are neglected and slashed yet further. All at a time when the economy will be weaker (no denying that now) and the tax revenue will be lower as a result....great!

And finally on the ridiculous concept of "taking back control" Can anybody honestly say that they WANT to give more control to the shower of incompetents who have been running this sh!tshow for the last 2 years? Because that is EXACTLY what taking back control will do. I would far rather have the collective talent of 28 states making decisions that benefit ALL of us than some 2-bit career politicians in Westminster whose own ambition is king.

Not to mention the civil servants who will be expected to take up the strain and do the real work, (un-elected bureaucrats in Brexiteer speak ;)) whilst still being expected to stomach below cost of living wage rises, adding to the decade of it they've already endured, unlike their lords and masters in parliament I hasten to add.

The more I think about it, the more I realise that the 2016 vote really did put the dum in referendum.
 

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