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Brexit - Deal or No Deal?

  • Deal

    Votes: 50 29.4%
  • No Deal

    Votes: 76 44.7%
  • Call in the Donald

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Call in Noel Edmonds

    Votes: 7 4.1%
  • I don't care anymore

    Votes: 34 20.0%

  • Total voters
    170

Paul Cannell

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Can`t beat a bit of Project Fear eh?

Price of baked beans/imported foods goes up then eat less of them, change the diet.
Can`t get your £3 t-shirt from Primark? Who suffers the consumer or the child in the sweatshop in China/India?
Trading conditions have been "difficult" for the last 3 years, at least once its done there will be some stability.
Your message to the poor and hungry is "Eat less". Nice.
 

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Brexit = take back control from unelected eurocrats

Boris Johnson = elected by tory party members as Pm, but as yet unelected by the people of the Uk, acts on the advice of an unelected, non party member (Cummings), lies about his intention to prorogue parliament, misled the Queen to unlawfully prorogue parliament ( Scottish Court finding), now apparently the UK electorate 'wont benefit' from hearing about operation yellowhammer according to Bozo's hand picked cronies ?

bit of a mess isnt it

 

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Brexit = take back control from unelected eurocrats

Boris Johnson = elected by tory party members as Pm, but as yet unelected by the people of the Uk, acts on the advice of an unelected, non party member (Cummings), lies about his intention to prorogue parliament, misled the Queen to unlawfully prorogue parliament ( Scottish Court finding), now apparently the UK electorate 'wont benefit' from hearing about operation yellowhammer according to Bozo's hand picked cronies ?

bit of a mess isnt it

How the Supreme Court rules will be interesting. The Summary Judgement from the Scottish Court is damning:

 

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People in council houses are usually fat anyway. If they got a job they could afford tinned peaches rather than spaghetti hoops.
This is true in part - people who live in council houses are addicted to sugar and take no exercise, preferring to watch Sky, Netflix and play on their Game Boys (whatever they are).

However, Mr Iain Birdio Smith, your typical Tory Brexiteer slur may not be accurate: " Around 15% of households surveyed when using Trussell Trust foodbanks between October and December 2016 included at least one person with some work or income from employment, according to a recent academic study. We don’t know about the people using food banks not run by the Trussell Trust. "
 

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How the Supreme Court rules will be interesting. The Summary Judgement from the Scottish Court is damning:
"this was an egregious case of a clear failure to comply with generally accepted standards of behaviour of public authorities. It was to be inferred that the principle reasons for prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account......"

This is what happens when you let experts interfere with democracy. Who is this Justice Brodie fellow? Miss Jean Brodie was probably his grandma and she was a traitor and Socialist (Nationalised) so he's obviously one too.
 

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I think IIRC he is Robert Hardy, who has worked at P&O, EuroTunnel & Kuenhe+Nagel and is/was a member of the EU Commission on Trade. His current "day job" is Director of Oakland Invicta, a Supply Chain Management company. Only know this as I used to work in exports and his name would crop up as a facilitator when we had something new or big in the offing.

On a separate topic, does Scottish law have any jurisdiction over national bodies?
 

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Wouldn't he have worked for HMRC if he 'ran customs'? But he had something to do with it - look at Oakland's press release here.

"Together they have created Oakland Invicta, a 24 hour border checkpoint in Kent. This amnesty service is offered on a commercial basis and is already attracting keen interest from major brands looking to protect the integrity of their inbound supply chain.

“Border Force can’t check every vehicle. The majority go unchecked,” explains Robert Hardy, Operations Director of Oakland Invicta. “It takes us just 15 minutes to check the cargo and many clients are considering making it a mandatory process.”"

If it's this guy - isn't it just a bit strange that he didn't introduce himself and his company's role? Doesn't what he said contradict the statement about 'Border Force"? Isn't he just selling snake oil?
 

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Don't know, don't really care, just showing a polar opposite to any one given viewpoint - but isn't that just the embodiment of everything to do with this whole sorry state of affairs.
 

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Wouldn't he have worked for HMRC if he 'ran customs'? But he had something to do with it - look at Oakland's press release here.

"Together they have created Oakland Invicta, a 24 hour border checkpoint in Kent. This amnesty service is offered on a commercial basis and is already attracting keen interest from major brands looking to protect the integrity of their inbound supply chain.

“Border Force can’t check every vehicle. The majority go unchecked,” explains Robert Hardy, Operations Director of Oakland Invicta. “It takes us just 15 minutes to check the cargo and many clients are considering making it a mandatory process.”"

If it's this guy - isn't it just a bit strange that he didn't introduce himself and his company's role? Doesn't what he said contradict the statement about 'Border Force"? Isn't he just selling snake oil?
Even if it is just Snakeoil...he is definitely trying to sell something....

And Breitbart ...should be renamed "The Tinfoil Hat Daily"
 

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No-deal Brexit will mean that the value of the pound will be less. Perhaps Osborne misunderstood what thus means for the UK housing market... For Joe Public, housing costs will be little different, however, for foreign "investors", UK property will be much more attractive and affordable... So, we're likely to see oligarchs and others with vast amounts of excessive wealth, plunder the UK housing market. This will keep prices pretty much as they are, and possibly restrict supply even further, with housing kept empty.

More and more Brits will be the slaves of foreign landlords. Working hard to pay rents that will be taken from this country...
Wow talk about putting one and one together.
So just so that I am clear:
Brexit means the £ goes down =
Loads of oligarchs and foreign investors coming in and buying our houses =
British 'slaves' to the foreign oligarchs.

Lets see. My bet is that nothing of the sort will happen. Maybe small number more will come in but any effect will be minimal.
 

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I just cannot see any deal offered by the EU being accepted by parliament. The back stop will just not wash.
Well there was a labour MP who said that she definitely would vote for May's deal. When asked why she never did before she suggested that Labour MPs had been whipped against it.
 

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Wow talk about putting one and one together.
So just so that I am clear:
Brexit means the £ goes down =
Loads of oligarchs and foreign investors coming in and buying our houses =
British 'slaves' to the foreign oligarchs.

Lets see. My bet is that nothing of the sort will happen. Maybe small number more will come in but any effect will be minimal.
Foreigners have already been buying property in the UK anyway, there have been whole developments in London that have been directly advertised and sold abroad.
 

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Foreigners have already been buying property in the UK anyway, there have been whole developments in London that have been directly advertised and sold abroad.
Very true. And my understanding is that has reduced a little recently.
In reality of course who owns the houses in the uk depends on the supply and demand, the economy, mortgages etc.
The suggestion that a lot of uk houses will be owned by oligarchs due to Brexit in.my view is ridiculous
 

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Wow talk about putting one and one together.
So just so that I am clear:
Brexit means the £ goes down =
Loads of oligarchs and foreign investors coming in and buying our houses =
British 'slaves' to the foreign oligarchs.

Lets see. My bet is that nothing of the sort will happen. Maybe small number more will come in but any effect will be minimal.
It also assumes that there are no other negative financial issues around the world that means there is a lot of money floating around - such as a recession in Europe, Russian money being further impacted or political change in Saudi Arabia. It's just the same fear laden doom mongering that so far, has be wide of the mark.

I think most reasonably headed people will understand there is some negative economic impacts to Brexit, and understood this for quite some time without running around like our trousers are on fire. As recent times have proven, we're in such new territory, no one really knows what will happen. The UK has proved to be far more resilient than anyone expected it to be, especially look at some other European countries.

It won't stop the far left scare-mongering like crazy though - the good old anti-capitalists who aspire to misery over prosperity. It's really nice to have stepped back and not had the Remainer pall of negativity hanging over me. No wonder they look so utterly desperate and depressed all the time.

Good for the judge in Scotland, it will be appealed by the Govt, it will get another hearing, etc, etc. Meanwhile, all politicians will naff off on the back slapping jollies as normal and get back to parliament at the normal time.
 

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Don't know, don't really care, just showing a polar opposite to any one given viewpoint - but isn't that just the embodiment of everything to do with this whole sorry state of affairs.
As the choirboy said to the vicar, 'it just leaves a bad taste in your mouth'.
 

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Your message to the poor and hungry is "Eat less". Nice.
No my message to the poor is "do something about it".

I was brought up in a single parent family , father died when I was 12, council house, working mother on a low wage oh and no "foodbanks".
A different generation that didn`t expect to be spoon fed.
You either sit there feeling sorry for yourself or buckle up and get on.
Norman Tebbit wasn`t far wrong.

Set a budget, live within it.............. if you can`t you need to either earn more or spend less.
 
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