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Brexit - Deal or No Deal?

  • Deal

    Votes: 46 28.8%
  • No Deal

    Votes: 74 46.3%
  • Call in the Donald

    Votes: 3 1.9%
  • Call in Noel Edmonds

    Votes: 5 3.1%
  • I don't care anymore

    Votes: 32 20.0%

  • Total voters
    160

Gary Baldi

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A fantastic piece of sexism and racism by Caroline Lucas. She'd be at the front line of complaints if Nigel Farage said leave it to the white men to get on with it.

And yes, she seems deadly serious about it too. What a time to be alive!
 

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It's heartening to see Lucas is doubling on her bigotry today. She really believes that excluding all men (regardless of ethnicity), 17.4 million leave voters, and all non-white people is ok. Regardless of what I think of Diane Abbott, she is the most senior female member of the shadow govt, so her exclusion can only be down to her race? Or is it purely the wafer thin ideological difference between them both.

Most odd. It looks like a coalition of middle class white women.
 

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Though to be honest, Caroline Lucas is not exactly someone who's in a position of power. Yes, it was a dumb and bigoted thing to say, but does it really matter any more than whatever dumb and bigoted statement next comes out of the mouth of whoever UKIP's current leader is?

Yes, the Greens got about half a million votes at the last election, but that was only 1.6% of the electorate, and less than a post-Farage UKIP.

She's only an MP because Brighton Pavilion has an extra-specially high concentration of tree huggers.
 

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Though to be honest, Caroline Lucas is not exactly someone who's in a position of power. Yes, it was a dumb and bigoted thing to say, but does it really matter any more than whatever dumb and bigoted statement next comes out of the mouth of whoever UKIP's current leader is?

Yes, the Greens got about half a million votes at the last election, but that was only 1.6% of the electorate, and less than a post-Farage UKIP.

She's only an MP because Brighton Pavilion has an extra-specially high concentration of tree huggers.
She is trying to position herself on a cabinet of people to run the country as a "government of unity" (over a democratic process - no matter how flawed it may have been), so yeah, it does matter. It's not at the level of someone organising who does what on the school PTA, what she is proposing could affect the short and long term future of the country. It's also astonishingly arrogant. And as a protest vote, the Greens are on the up and up at the moment due to Labours failures and the environment being a priority for some.

And there is just the sense of irony of someone so woke and right on showing an incredible amount of prejudice & bigotry and not really understanding what the issue is with what they said - it's Prince Philip territory. Let's face it, we all expect a leader of UKIP to do and say some incredibly daft things because that is what they are and in recent times, they lack any intelligence, not so much a far leftie like Lucas, in such an overt manner.
 

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Hard left and hard right are essentially the same thing at their core. Full of bigotry, discrimination and fuelled by an unwillingness to accept people who are different to themselves.
 

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An interesting bit of Parliamentary "small print"........

"European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 so that any regulations that change “exit day” will no longer require approval by both Houses under the draft affirmative procedure. "


Just saying...
 

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An interesting bit of Parliamentary "small print"........

"European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 so that any regulations that change “exit day” will no longer require approval by both Houses under the draft affirmative procedure. "


Just saying...
Why?
 

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She is trying to position herself on a cabinet of people to run the country as a "government of unity" (over a democratic process - no matter how flawed it may have been), so yeah, it does matter. It's not at the level of someone organising who does what on the school PTA, what she is proposing could affect the short and long term future of the country. It's also astonishingly arrogant. And as a protest vote, the Greens are on the up and up at the moment due to Labours failures and the environment being a priority for some.
No it couldn't, because she's a niche politician that has no power; and the only people that pay her more than lip service are the voters on the far left - whose numbers may be growing, but are still insignificant.


And there is just the sense of irony of someone so woke and right on showing an incredible amount of prejudice & bigotry and not really understanding what the issue is with what they said - it's Prince Philip territory. Let's face it, we all expect a leader of UKIP to do and say some incredibly daft things because that is what they are and in recent times, they lack any intelligence, not so much a far leftie like Lucas, in such an overt manner.
Actually, I'm kind of surprised that someone with your political leanings would not expect a far leftie like Lucas to say dumb things.
I'd put myself pretty central, maybe slightly left of center (in British terms - I'm way left in the US!) and I certainly expect people to the far left of me to talk impractical nonsense.
 

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No it couldn't, because she's a niche politician that has no power; and the only people that pay her more than lip service are the voters on the far left - whose numbers may be growing, but are still insignificant.

Actually, I'm kind of surprised that someone with your political leanings would not expect a far leftie like Lucas to say dumb things.
I'd put myself pretty central, maybe slightly left of center (in British terms - I'm way left in the US!) and I certainly expect people to the far left of me to talk impractical nonsense.
As we see elsewhere, those little ideas or lip services start to gain traction and become far bigger thing as they percolate to supporters. Lucas got it wrong, but the idea of a national govt of unity keeps coming up as an alternative from many left wing and centre right parties, but no one wants to take the lead on it. The message was wrong, but the idea got a nice airing too. Sadly the politicians have spent little time on what next if it happens, and they have no realistic time to coalesce it.

I expect her to say dumb things on policy and she does, but I'm surprised she said something so bigoted when she plays the delicate flower persona so well. The mask really slipped.
 

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What's depressing me the most about Brexit is that, whatever happens, it's not going to be over on Halloween.

Either there will be another extension then, leading to more political shenanigans in parliament.
Or we'll leave with No Deal, which will then be followed by a whole series of tough decisions regarding trade deals with the US, and trade deals with the EU, and trade deals with everyone else, and probably another Scottish referendum, and yes - more political shenanigans in parliament.

I'd wager that 95%+ of the British population are wholly sick of it, and wish that Brexit was done and dusted (one way or another), so that the politicians could get back to focusing on running the country, and dealing with the myriad of internal problems that exist.

But I see no chance of that happening any time soon...….
 

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The Lib Dems are talking about a Remain Alliance (among other rambling). It's ironic they've cocked a snook at Labour's offer today.

Also interesting to see the lack of nous on No Deal again. It's almost sad seeing the mutually exclusive point of view from some MPs. We don't want the backstop and we don't want a No Deal.
 
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