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[Oxt1]

No, you forgot about............................................................................................................................................................the weather!!!

It is a lovely day today, unseasonably warm!

 

[m]

It is a lovely day today, unseasonably warm!

Nights are drawing in though.

 

[Marked Ox]

Having picked fruit as an 20 year old for around 8 weeks , I am really not sure how you can suggest that it is skilled work (in my understanding of the term)
Unless you are suggesting that all jobs have some skill (which you could argue)

I'm partially arguing the latter point and it will vary based on the fruit or veg being picked of course to a degree.

But to do it well there is a skill to do it at pace which somebody just starting (and will take a good while to pick up) won't have that seems to have been missed by those claiming that just get the unemployed to do it.

 

[Marked Ox]

Nights are drawing in though.

Christmas is coming...

 

[QR]

It is a lovely day today, unseasonably warm!

I think you'll find that it's 'too warm'.

 

[bazzer9461]

Christmas is coming...

But is it? With the threat of food shortages due to the possibility of higher energy bills.

 

[MC Yellow]

It is a lovely day today, unseasonably warm!

September… my favourite month of the year.

Generally settled and warm/mild days and less bloody windy

 

[Marked Ox]

But is it? With the threat of food shortages due to the possibility of higher energy bills.

Yes, you'll just have to accept the Tangerine and Candle (to keep warm) as the main present as it'll be the only one you'll be able to get.

 

[Oxt1]

Yes, you'll just have to accept the Tangerine and Candle (to keep warm) as the main present as it'll be the only one you'll be able to get.

Could be a good year to be on the naughty list and get some coal in your stocking!

 

[bazzer9461]

Yes, you'll just have to accept the Tangerine and Candle (to keep warm) as the main present as it'll be the only one you'll be able to get.

Using one of Mrs bazzer’s stockings off course

 

[mooro]

Back to the supply chain issue, I work in transport and there is no doubt that there has been a steady decline over recent years, mainly due an ageing driver base, which was steadily being compensated for by drivers from Europe, particularly the eastern countries (Poland / baltics)
This steady influx has and will continue to be hindered by Brexit, particularly while HGV driving continues to not be recognised as a specialist skill.

However, the other aspect we are seeing is the drop off in numbers on the warehouse side, picking, packing and loading. We are down on drivers, but are more hindered by delays in actually loading the trailers due to a fall in numbers in the warehouse - and yes, a high proportion of those staff were European and there is a notable drop in the numbers of Europeans applying to replace them - while the appetite amongst the locals to do a days work rather than sit at home on their sweaty backsides doing nothing remains negligible.

And herein lies the problem - cutting off the supply line of motivated workers from overseas who want to work to build themselves a life here, only works if there is a similarly motivated/self sufficient workforce already here to step in....

And it is clear to me that in this industry at least, though I suggest it is not thus-limited, this is very much not the case

 

[Mighty Tage]

Back to the supply chain issue, I work in transport and there is no doubt that there has been a steady decline over recent years, mainly due an ageing driver base, which was steadily being compensated for by drivers from Europe, particularly the eastern countries (Poland / baltics)
This steady influx has and will continue to be hindered by Brexit, particularly while HGV driving continues to not be recognised as a specialist skill.

However, the other aspect we are seeing is the drop off in numbers on the warehouse side, picking, packing and loading. We are down on drivers, but are more hindered by delays in actually loading the trailers due to a fall in numbers in the warehouse - and yes, a high proportion of those staff were European and there is a notable drop in the numbers of Europeans applying to replace them - while the appetite amongst the locals to do a days work rather than sit at home on their sweaty backsides doing nothing remains negligible.

And herein lies the problem - cutting off the supply line of motivated workers from overseas who want to work to build themselves a life here, only works if there is a similarly motivated/self sufficient workforce already here to step in....

And it is clear to me that in this industry at least, though I suggest it is not thus-limited, this is very much not the case

Could be a growth industry then?

If the labour force wasn’t undermined by its EU counterparts accepting lower wages, meaning the hourly rate went up/waiting time came back + it was socially recategorised (rightfully) as a skilled occupation, do you think there’s a decent future in it?

Now could be the time to get your HGV license I reckon.

 

[m]

Could be a growth industry then?

If the labour force wasn’t undermined by its EU counterparts accepting lower wages, meaning the hourly rate went up/waiting time came back + it was socially recategorised (rightfully) as a skilled occupation, do you think there’s a decent future in it?

Now could be the time to get your HGV license I reckon.

Bad news for the poorest in society when prices go up across the board.

 

[Mighty Tage]

Bad news for the poorest in society when prices go up across the board.

Yes, and in other news water is wet…

Would like a conversation on the merits of the skills shortage rather than lazy platitudes please.

 

[MC Yellow]

Bad news for the poorest in society when prices go up across the board.

The most vulnerable in society should be protected. A benefits system that targets the most in need and provides them with ample support can never be a bad thing.

But you also have to weed out the freeloaders who think U.K. Plc owes them a living.

Plenty of opportunities out there.

 

[m]

Yes, and in other news water is wet…

Would like a conversation on the merits of the skills shortage rather than lazy platitudes please.

The possible merits of a skills shortage?

I wouldn't have thought there was a great deal to discuss there but you go right ahead.

 

[QR]

The most vulnerable in society should be protected. A benefits system that targets the most in need and provides them with ample support can never be a bad thing.

But you also have to weed out the freeloaders who think U.K. Plc owes them a living.

Plenty of opportunities out there.

Societies will always have a percentage of the population with a propensity to do as little as possible or to give their lives over to drugs (it's called addiction) or have mental health challenges. I'm not sure putting them in control of HGVs, or working in commercial kitchens or looking after the most vulnerable or letting them die from starvation or pushing them into crime to get money is the answer.

 

[Oslernorth]

I'm partially arguing the latter point and it will vary based on the fruit or veg being picked of course to a degree.

But to do it well there is a skill to do it at pace which somebody just starting (and will take a good while to pick up) won't have that seems to have been missed by those claiming that just get the unemployed to do it.

There also isn’t enough work fit unemployed to fill the vacancies.

 

[Oslernorth]

The most vulnerable in society should be protected. A benefits system that targets the most in need and provides them with ample support can never be a bad thing.

But you also have to weed out the freeloaders who think U.K. Plc owes them a living.

Plenty of opportunities out there.

The people you’re describing hardly even exist. Sure, you could probably find an example. But I know I wouldn’t want to have to survive on job seekers allowance.
It’s not a lifestyle choice.

 

[mooro]

Could be a growth industry then?

If the labour force wasn’t undermined by its EU counterparts accepting lower wages, meaning the hourly rate went up/waiting time came back + it was socially recategorised (rightfully) as a skilled occupation, do you think there’s a decent future in it?

Now could be the time to get your HGV license I reckon.

When I was little, boys grew up wanting to be lorry drivers and train drivers, I suspect other things have taken over since then.

HGV driving is hard work, dangerous, can involve unsociable hours, takes a long time to train up for and is very difficult to master ( reversing an artic onto a bay with only a couple of feet to spare either side is a far cry from parallel parking car and we all know what a hash people make of that

Warehouse work however IS something that most people can take on, is normally fairly straightforward and can be a useful foot in the door from which you can progress up within a company to a position with a decent salary should you possess the right attitude and ambition.
This is why I don't buy into people hiding behind this Idea that it's the foreigners fault for accepting low wages and us good old British stock deserve to be given far more before we even consider starting work.....

No, they've got it right, just as we used to...start at the bottom, learn, progress, EARN your money, don't just think you are entitled to it from the off...