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[Sarge]

Key skill is acknowledging mistakes and learning from them......

Coronavirus: We could have done things differently, says PM

Boris Johnson says there are “open questions” about whether the coronavirus lockdown came too late.

www.bbc.co.uk

Blimey! Bojo admitting he wasn't 100% right , whatever will Dominic say (or do) about that ?

the cynic in me is screaming what is he, Bojo, trying to deflect attention from with that 'admission' ?

 

[QR]

Key skill is acknowledging mistakes and learning from them......

Coronavirus: We could have done things differently, says PM

Boris Johnson says there are “open questions” about whether the coronavirus lockdown came too late.

www.bbc.co.uk

Are we expecting the full list?

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Are we expecting the full list?

How long have you got?

 

[m]

Blimey! Bojo admitting he wasn't 100% right , whatever will Dominic say (or do) about that ?

Dominic will say 'Well done Boris, exactly as I told you'

 

[Gary Baldi]

Key skill is acknowledging mistakes and learning from them......

Coronavirus: We could have done things differently, says PM

Boris Johnson says there are “open questions” about whether the coronavirus lockdown came too late.

www.bbc.co.uk

The thing is, if you look at countries like South Africa who locked down early, there is a massive 2nd spike happening now after they opened back up. With Sweden being the outlier by not locking down at all, its not clear if you are just deferring the deaths of the old or those with health issues further down the road by locking down too early without a vaccine in place.

Let's see what the PHE figures are like once the potential junk has been removed from it.

 

[LowerSouth]

Are we expecting the full list?

I’m sure you’ll fill in the gaps.

 

[chuckbert]

its not clear if you are just deferring the deaths of the old or those with health issues further down the road by locking down too early without a vaccine in place.

I think the point is lockdown until a vaccine is in place.

 

[Gary Baldi]

I think the point is lockdown until a vaccine is in place.

But with a mutating virus, will that ever happen? Or will be behind the curve playing catch up? So the point still persists. Are we deferring the deaths of people by isolating them and further, how many more deaths will occur with cancer diagnosis not left?

 

[TL@69]

But with a mutating virus, will that ever happen? Or will be behind the curve playing catch up? So the point still persists. Are we deferring the deaths of people by isolating them and further, how many more deaths will occur with cancer diagnosis not left?

my understanding is that although the virus is mutating it’s at this time to a small degree, as would be expected. The Oxford vaccine would cope with this. ( hope that helps)

 

[Foley]

I think the point is lockdown until a vaccine is in place.

It just isnt simple though is it?
Every country could totally lock down and eradicate Covid.
The trouble is that the vaccine could be a year, 2 years ,longer away?
In the meantime there could be 3 to 4 m unemployed in the UK , industries decimated.
And it will be far far worse in poorer Countries ( talk of massive starvation).
Getting the balance right is not easy ( to put it mildly)

 

[MC Yellow]

It just isnt simple though is it?
Every country could totally lock down and eradicate Covid.
The trouble is that the vaccine could be a year, 2 years ,longer away?
In the meantime there could be 3 to 4 m unemployed in the UK , industries decimated.
And it will be far far worse in poorer Countries ( talk of massive starvation).
Getting the balance right is not easy ( to put it mildly)

Incredibly difficult, but I think we have now got to that point where it is a case of Covid is with us so we will try to carry on as normal and any decisions must be taken at your own risk . But be socially aware and considerate as regards reducing risk.

If you want to go abroad, fine, but do not complain when you are then asked to self isolate for 14 days subsequently....

Whilst Covid is amongst us decisions by government are dynamic and sudden isolation requirements or local lockdowns will become the norm.... we just have to accept that and deal with it.

 

[QR]

Oops. More lies.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1288715057057222657

 

[Essexyellows]

Oops. More lies.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1288715057057222657

Not lie`s per se. Interpretation of data is very objective.
Poverty is also incredibly difficult to define and is very relative.
If you have minimal overheads and a low income you could be defined as "in poverty" but living life perfectly happily.
Vice versa you could have a larger income and higher overheads, not be "in poverty" but waiting for the next payment to feed the kids.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Not lie`s per se. Interpretation of data is very objective.
Poverty is also incredibly difficult to define and is very relative.
If you have minimal overheads and a low income you could be defined as "in poverty" but living life perfectly happily.
Vice versa you could have a larger income and higher overheads, not be "in poverty" but waiting for the next payment to feed the kids.

Yes...must be awful if one has to slum it with common or garden Chablis because one cant stretch to a Louis Latour Montrachet Grand Cru 2016

 

[mooro]

The thing is, if you look at countries like South Africa who locked down early, there is a massive 2nd spike happening now after they opened back up. With Sweden being the outlier by not locking down at all, its not clear if you are just deferring the deaths of the old or those with health issues further down the road by locking down too early without a vaccine in place.

Let's see what the PHE figures are like once the potential junk has been removed from it.

I think I noted that the actual deaths are now below the expected level, so is it the case that some of the excess is natural fluctuations around the line and/or natural deaths just brought forward by only a couple of months only.
Will probably need to look at numbers over the whole year to come up with a true picture

 

[Sheik djibouti]

I think I noted that the actual deaths are now below the expected level, so is it the case that some of the excess is natural fluctuations around the line and/or natural deaths just brought forward by only a couple of months only.
Will probably need to look at numbers over the whole year to come up with a true picture

I'm sure funeral directors wuld be able to give you a pretty good picture on that - they were rushed of their feet in March/April time and having to rent extra storage for bodies....but now?

 

[ZeroTheHero]

@EY

Nope.

For statistical purposes 'Child Poverty' has a definition (if you read that article), which has not changed. So you *are* comparing apples with apples when saying what the current levels are as compared to past levels.

He didn't 'interpret the data', he either lied deliberately or (more likely) made it up on the spot because he hadn't done his homework.

Whether that definition is correct is another matter and is certainly arguable, but that isn't the issue here.

 

[QR]

Not lie`s per se. Interpretation of data is very objective.
Poverty is also incredibly difficult to define and is very relative.
If you have minimal overheads and a low income you could be defined as "in poverty" but living life perfectly happily.
Vice versa you could have a larger income and higher overheads, not be "in poverty" but waiting for the next payment to feed the kids.

Er no. The stats he quoted were wrong. It wasn't a case of interpretation as you like to believe.

'But the Office for Statistics Regulation (OSR) said some of the figures he has quoted to back this claim up are incorrect.' BBC

He just can't help himself because he knows idiots will suck it up.

 

[Essexyellows]

Er no.
From the Huff ........ Anne Feuchtwang "she wrote, “it cannot be right that official figures on something as fundamental as how many children are in poverty continue to be used selectively, inaccurately and, ultimately, misleadingly.”

He used the statistics selectively, that is what politicians of all colours do.
The listener would hear his "pitch", should they choose to dig deeper they would get the whole picture.
That is not a lie per se, it is interpretation, opinion and selective slicing of the cake.

A bit like Blair and the WMD`s that were 15 minutes from launching etc etc............
"Sir John Chilcot did not use the word “lie” – in fact his report specified that it “is not questioning” Mr Blair fixed belief - but his damning conclusion is that the former Prime Minister deliberately blurred the distinction between what he believed and what he actually knew. "

They all do it and have been for centuries.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Er no.
From the Huff ........ Anne Feuchtwang "she wrote, “it cannot be right that official figures on something as fundamental as how many children are in poverty continue to be used selectively, inaccurately and, ultimately, misleadingly.”

He used the statistics selectively, that is what politicians of all colours do.
The listener would hear his "pitch", should they choose to dig deeper they would get the whole picture.
That is not a lie per se, it is interpretation, opinion and selective slicing of the cake.

So you quote a section saying that he has used figures 'selectively, inaccurately and misleadingly' as some kind of justification?

And then apart from those who choose to 'dig deeper' they would be deceived? And that's OK for the PM of the country to do?

Of course it is a lie - that is the definition of saying something untrue. If the Leader of the Opposition had been caught making up figures (sorry, 'using statistics selectively') in such a situation you'd - rightly - be all over him like a rash. This is Trumpism - not caring about the accuracy or truth of what you say, just blurting out rubbish knowing that your 'loyalists' would rather choose to believe a blatant lie than question what you are saying.