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[Marked Ox]

Tricky one, how do you define a "new" hospital?

We are planning to build a day case treatment centre that is "new" from the ground up but on an existing hospital site.
It can`t function without the backup of the "old" hospital in case the patient needs urgent or aftercare.

Also planning a new maternity hospital, again on an existing site.

We built a brand new A&E unit, cost around £50 million but was on an existing hospital site. It's a specific type of hospital unit....... is it a hospital?

I define a 'new' hospital as a new hospital, not a renovation of an existing hospital wing or a new wing on an existing hospital. Not tricky at all, very simple actually. The claims by the Johnson Govt is the usual disingenuous approach.

 

[unification]

So the t**t knew about Pincher being a pincher.

He lies and lies and lies.

 

[QR]

Tricky one, how do you define a "new" hospital?

We are planning to build a day case treatment centre that is "new" from the ground up but on an existing hospital site.
It can`t function without the backup of the "old" hospital in case the patient needs urgent or aftercare.

Also planning a new maternity hospital, again on an existing site.

We built a brand new A&E unit, cost around £50 million but was on an existing hospital site. It's a specific type of hospital unit....... is it a hospital?

Only tricky if you deliberately conflate 'new hospital' with 'new wing'. Be clear with your words at the off and there will be no confusion.

Surprised you were fooled.

 

[Essexyellows]

Only tricky if you deliberately conflate 'new hospital' with 'new wing'. Be clear with your words at the off and there will be no confusion.

Surprised you were fooled.

Not fooled at all, I understand that hospitals change in how they deliver services, that is what we are doing by relocating services.

Its not as simple as some make out.

As an example, we built a new Children's Hospital. It's a standalone facility for children built next to an existing maternity unit.

Built from the ground up but on a current hospital site.

Is this a "new" hospital?



A yes or no answer will suffice.

And will this investment of almost £400 million be defined as "new" as all three sites get remodelled?

How hospitals could look if health bosses win £367m bid

The projects are part of a five year plan to overhaul the area's health services

www.leicestermercury.co.uk

 

[TL@69]

Just build a porch on my house, told all my friends that I’d built a new house, can’t understand why they don’t believe me.

 

[Essexyellows]

Just build a porch on my house, told all my friends that I’d built a new house, can’t understand why they don’t believe me.

Somewhat different from the average hospital site which has dozens of standalone buildings that are all reliant on each other.

 

[Essexyellows]

There you go .......... 1 site, 4 primary multi storey building and several ancillary buildings built over the last 150 years. Which one is "the hospital"?

 

[Coffin dodger]

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There you go .......... 1 site, 4 primary multi storey building and several ancillary buildings built over the last 150 years. Which one is "the hospital"?

The one with the patients in it.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

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There you go .......... 1 site, 4 primary multi storey building and several ancillary buildings built over the last 150 years. Which one is "the hospital"?

But it is still called University Hospital of Leicester.....or is that just the name for the new hospital bit

It's no different to adding a new science block to an existing school and then trying to pretend it is a completely different school, or even adding a new college to Oxford University and calling it a new University. It isn't by any metric and you are either rather naive if you fall for it, or completely OK with the deliberate use of misleading language to make it appear something it isn't - your choice, which is it?

 

[Marked Ox]

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There you go .......... 1 site, 4 primary multi storey building and several ancillary buildings built over the last 150 years. Which one is "the hospital"?

Did the Hospital have a Childrens ward/s before this building was built?

 

[Essexyellows]

Did the Hospital have a Childrens ward/s before this building was built?

Yes, but the specialist childrens heart service was on a different site.
Building the "new hospital building" means the heart service can now move to a single site.

 

[Essexyellows]

But it is still called University Hospital of Leicester.....or is that just the name for the new hospital bit

It's no different to adding a new science block to an existing school and then trying to pretend it is a completely different school, or even adding a new college to Oxford University and calling it a new University. It isn't by any metric and you are either rather naive if you fall for it, or completely OK with the deliberate use of misleading language to make it appear something it isn't - your choice, which is it?

UHL is the overarching name for what was three separate hospitals.........

Almost as bad as Oxpoly now being Brookes University

 

[Sheik djibouti]

UHL is the overarching name for what was three separate hospitals......... [emoji2368]

Almost as bad as Oxpoly now being Brookes University [emoji23]

So you accept it is part of the same hospital and not a new one then.

Just the same as Brookes having a campus at Wheatley and another at Harcourt Hill...same Uni/Poly[emoji846]

 

[chuckbert]

People seem surprisingly chippy about building new hospitals! In Perth they knocked down the Childrens' Hospital and built a new one on the main Hospital site. It was definitely a new hospital, even if it is now next to another major hospital.

It feels a bit like people saying if we build at Stratfield Brake it wouldn't be a new stadium because there's already sports facilities there

 

[SteMerritt]

People seem surprisingly chippy about building new hospitals! In Perth they knocked down the Childrens' Hospital and built a new one on the main Hospital site. It was definitely a new hospital, even if it is now next to another major hospital.

It feels a bit like people saying if we build at Stratfield Brake it wouldn't be a new stadium because there's already sports facilities there

I'd suggest that if you knock down a hospital then build it again in another place then it's not a new hospital.

Feels a bit like people saying if we build at Stratfield Brake it would be a new football club, whereas it's just a relocation of an existing one

 

[Marked Ox]

Yes, but the specialist childrens heart service was on a different site.
Building the "new hospital building" means the heart service can now move to a single site.

So it isn't new then, but the service is being enhanced though by putting everything on the same site.

 

[Essexyellows]

So you accept it is part of the same hospital and not a new one then.

Just the same as Brookes having a campus at Wheatley and another at Harcourt Hill...same Uni/Poly[emoji846]

It's a new build hospital on an existing site.

 

[Essexyellows]

So it isn't new then, but the service is being enhanced though by putting everything on the same site.

Yes, it is new.
The entire building was constructed from the ground up and did not exist before.

 

[SteMerritt]

 

[QR]

Yes, but the specialist childrens heart service was on a different site.
Building the "new hospital building" means the heart service can now move to a single site.

Seeing as real money is being spend upgrading hospital facilities I think the Tories think they are being clever with their 40 new hospitals claim but are actually shooting themselves in the foot by making grandiose unspecific claims. Having acquired quite a wide spread reputation for lying, making statements that are evidently false means they don't get any real credit for what they are doing. They are so lost in their own groupthink bullshit they can't see themselves as the vast majority do now.