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[Burglar Bill]

I totally agree again.
Someone that can offer this country a great service in whatever capacity they’re an expert in that would benefit all of us great, but economic migrants or those just trying to get a better life even though they’re not being persecuted in any way then no sorry.
And as an aside yes the UK have those who want a better life but don’t want to contribute in any way and they should be dealt with, but how?

How about the low-skilled jobs that our own people refuse to do? Who's going to do them?

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Imagine Gary Rowett taking over at Pompey or Charlton and telling us our football was too negative in the last 12 months.

Awkward . . .

 

[Symp59]

Stop the benefits to these people coming here simply has. A friend and his wife both emigrated to New Zealand and had to pay £30,000 each ,what do we do give them everything. We are idiots

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Stop the benefits to these people coming here simply has. A friend and his wife both emigrated to New Zealand and had to pay £30,000 each ,what do we do give them everything. We are idiots

Presumably your friends didn't arrive in a rubber dinghy

But on a more serious note, by "people coming here", do you just mean those in boats, or do you include those that have come here legally through the correct channels (not the English one)to work and study?

 

[bazzer9461]

How about the low-skilled jobs that our own people refuse to do? Who's going to do them?

This is the crux, there are those who were born in the IL who won’t do low skilled employment who laze around living on benefits it’s those that have to be targeted to be forced one way or another into doing these jobs. Labour will blame the Tories over these skivers and the response will be well you’re not doing anything at all, so here we are people lazing around and getting benefits and I’m not on about those who literally can’t work but those who don’t want to get out of bed. Those are the ones to be targeted and have their benefits slashed or even stopped which should hopefully with the corrwct support get these out working and if they do and it is low paid low or unskilled job some sort of incentive to be offered so they carry on working.
As an example a company o worked at back in 2000 employed a guy who I knew he had a large family and a pay day a few weeks later he didn’t get his payslip and he said he’s not worried he was getting £175 before getting out of bed. He left a couple of weeks later now that was lazy.

 

[Londox]

Hands up if you want immigration to increase . . . . .


Nobody . . . ?

There are plenty of people who believe 'no human is illegal' and advocate for open borders. Do you honestly believe immigration wouldn't surge under someone like David Pualden?

What I think the majority of people DO want is a sensible immigration policy, that benefits the UK with people with a variety of skills who make a net contribution economically and culturally to make the country a better place.

We have not had a sensible immigration for decades. Culturally the UK was great with or without immigration.

No doubt there's lots of arguments around what that actually looks like in terms of our needs and how you measure it, but I would imagine MOST on here can see how sensible controlled immigration can benefit everyone.

I don't think there's a single poster on here who doesn't think some level of immigration is fine.

Surely nobody wants uncontrolled immigration.

The attitude of many politicians would lead to de facto uncontrolled immigration.

Nobody wants people arriving here in small boats controlled by OCGs. Nobody wants a huge backlog of people accommodated in hotels whilst we struggle to process claims because we stripped out the processing capacity. And I would expect that very few people want Higher Education establishments that are only viable when propped up by huge numbers of foreign students either!

Incidentally @Londox, I notice you were waxing lyrical about the genius of the creator of Terry Tibbs and Fonejacker, Kayvan Novak on another thread. How wonderful for the UK then that this culutal enrichment was made possible by us allowing his Iranian parents to settle here.

I have never said I am against immigration. Incidentally, Iran was a case where it made sense to take some refugees as they had a brutal Islamic revolution in the late 70's which took there country back to the dark ages from once being a relatively western influenced nation.

I have absolutely nothing against anyone based on their nationality or what skin colour they are. If I lived in Pakistan I'd come here, it's a no brainer.
It's like having a house which is 4 bedrooms but constantly letting more and more people move in, the quality of life becomes worse for the people living there and the living standards aren't exactly great for the newbies on the sofa either.

 

[Londox]

True - just look at any boat coming over. Overwhelmingly young men here to work in the shadow economy and commit crime. Many who have entered have killed and assaulted innocent people.

Careful, better to be a better person and pretend this isn't happening.

Essentially, all boat/lorry/illegal arrivals should be deported, and anyone arriving via the correct channels should be processed and removed or returned to their place of origin, or allowed in.

We are much better at stopping people who Keir Starmer disagrees with. A female Dutch activist is banned from entering the UK now due to her views not being "conducive" to British society, do we do the same checks on people who show up on boats?

That's obviously separate to legal, student, and work-related migration, which is something else entirely and involves mostly legitimate arrivals.

Tories failed to do it, Labour have done a bit better rhetorically but the proof will be in the pudding. Reform are the symptom of this horrendous mismanagement.

Nailed it. People want to hate on Farage, Reform Voters, Jenrick, the list goes on, but Reform are the RESULT of failure of parties like the Tories and Labour.

If Labour and the Tories got their house in order on immigration Reform wouldn't exist.

 

[chuckbert]

Yeah I wasn't disputing that, more the assertion that can be used as some sort of measure for the public feeling on mass immigration. That was part of the vote, no denying that, but it isn't the reason everyone who voted to leave did so.

If I was of the mind to do it, I could also try to claim that if this WAS a big vote on mass immigration, then only 17.5M out of a population of 60+M voted for it, so it's hardly a victory against mass immigration. But once again, that is simplifying things too much.

We’re only allowed to use that kind of arithmetic when talking about Kidlington Parish Polls

 

[Discoland]

Careful, better to be a better person and pretend this isn't happening.

We are much better at stopping people who Keir Starmer disagrees with. A female Dutch activist is banned from entering the UK now due to her views not being "conducive" to British society, do we do the same checks on people who show up on boats?

Nailed it. People want to hate on Farage, Reform Voters, Jenrick, the list goes on, but Reform are the RESULT of failure of parties like the Tories and Labour.

If Labour and the Tories got their house in order on immigration Reform wouldn't exist.

Do you really think that Dutch Journalist, the far right Nazi grifter, would really have received an EMAIL from the home office saying her views were not "conducive" to the UK? It was faked.

They had you hook, line, and sinker if you think the stuff she was spouting was accurate.

 

[Londox]

Do you really think that Dutch Journalist, the far right Nazi grifter, would really have received an EMAIL from the home office saying her views were not "conducive" to the UK? It was faked.

They had you hook, line, and sinker if you think the stuff she was spouting was accurate.

Dutch far-right activist Eva Vlaardingerbroek appears to lose right to UK visa-free travel

Influencer, who promotes conspiracy theories and anti-immigration rhetoric, posts notification that her ETA has been cancelled

www.theguardian.com

Yes, even the Guardian have reported on it. You have no proof at all it isn't real.

 

[QR]

Dutch far-right activist Eva Vlaardingerbroek appears to lose right to UK visa-free travel

Influencer, who promotes conspiracy theories and anti-immigration rhetoric, posts notification that her ETA has been cancelled

www.theguardian.com

Yes, even the Guardian have reported on it. You have no proof at all it isn't real.

You either want the government to control our borders or you don't. You've over the place man.

 

[Londox]

You either want the government to control our borders or you don't. You've over the place man.

I want consistent logic.
We have banned this woman because of her political views.
Are we aware of the political views of people coming on small boats?
It's safer to be an islamic extremist than be someone who criticises extreme Islam here.

 

[QR]

I want consistent logic.
We have banned this woman because of her political views.
Are we aware of the political views of people coming on small boats?
It's safer to be an islamic extremist than be someone who criticises extreme Islam here.

No, you want your 'logic' which based on the confused, simplistic and unevidenced generalisations you post on here is no foundation for any policy.

 

[Londox]

No, you want your 'logic' which based on the confused, simplistic and unevidenced generalisations you post on here is no foundation for any policy.

Banning someone based on their political views when you don't know the political views of people coming into your country on a daily basis is illogical whichever way you try and dress it up.

 

[SteMerritt]

I want consistent logic.
We have banned this woman because of her political views.
Are we aware of the political views of people coming on small boats?
It's safer to be an islamic extremist than be someone who criticises extreme Islam here.

The link you provided did actually say towards the bottom that the government had previously denied entry to Islamists in the same way.

I'm unaware of the lady in question and her views, so won't comment on that decision. It is also worth pointing out that there was no confirmation in there from the Home Office that it was genuine, and the article did seem to be simply reporting on her tweet saying it had happened.

 

[Londox]

The link you provided did actually say towards the bottom that the government had previously denied entry to Islamists in the same way.

I'm unaware of the lady in question and her views, so won't comment on that decision. It is also worth pointing out that there was no confirmation in there from the Home Office that it was genuine, and the article did seem to be simply reporting on her tweet saying it had happened.

The Home Office haven't and won't deny it because it's obviously real and has been commented on by ex PM's, MPs and world leaders.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Careful, better to be a better person and pretend this isn't happening.

We are much better at stopping people who Keir Starmer disagrees with. A female Dutch activist is banned from entering the UK now due to her views not being "conducive" to British society, do we do the same checks on people who show up on boats?

Nailed it. People want to hate on Farage, Reform Voters, Jenrick, the list goes on, but Reform are the RESULT of failure of parties like the Tories and Labour.

If Labour and the Tories got their house in order on immigration Reform wouldn't exist.

They may be the result, but do you seriously think they are the answer?

They are anything but the answer and are chock full of the worst swivel-eyed mercenary former Tories you can imagine. And for every Tory mercenary that joins their ranks, the more people will turn away from them. They really are stinking the place out.

In terms of leadership, given that soooo many Reformers think Nigel is the mutts nuts and "PM in waiting", even Kier Starmer and Kemi Badenoch come out better than Nigel Farage in polls on who would be a better PM, and that's saying something! https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53845-who-would-be-the-best-prime-minister-january-2026 (data courtesy of Nadims cash cow ).

And you only need to look at their disasterous Local Authories to realise what a bunch of amateurs they are and how poor their selection and vetting policy is.

Anyway, you must be pleased to see that legal net migration was down to 204,000 to June 2025 from the appalling highs of 944,000 under the Tories. I'm sure too that you'll be cheering the record number of arrests of illegal workers this year, and no doubt celebrating the latest violent crime figures for London too. . . Murder rate at a 10 year low - the second lowest on record - safer than Paris and multiples lower than most US cities. Hospital admissions for knife wounds down 29%.

Nobody is pretending that small boat crossing aren't still happening. Nobody is pretending that some bad people will come into our country as a result (although we have plenty of those born here anyway). Where everyone will differ is what is driving this and what can realistically be done to stem it(do you REALLY think Navy patrols are the answer?) AND have a sensible immigration policy (with a properly resourced immigration service) that ticks all the boxes that benefit our country.

Nobody but the Tories set fire to immigration. Cameron lit the match and subsequent PMs simply poured fuel on the fire. Now there's now one hell of a mess that will take a very long time to clear up, no matter how much people might protest and how much Nigel and his ilk might whip up their anger about it to further his own ambitions.

 

[boogaloo]

I can't help but thinking that the biggest winners out of this are Badenoch and Starmer. Since Jenrick lost the leadership election to Badenoch, he has been nothing but a thorn in the side, always undermining her and trying to push Conservative even further to the right, and making them more like Reform. That was why they lost the last election heavily. Losing Jenrick is one less pain in arse the deal with.

And because that pain in the arse has now gone to Reform, you can bet your bottom dollar he is not just going to merely sit in the corner and nod along like the Churchill dog to Nigel Farage. How long will it be before Jenrick makes a move for the leadership role, or tries to undermine Farage and push Reform into a direction where he don't want to go? We all know that Farage gets the hump when any of his underlings dare to question him - just ask Rupert Lowe or Ben Habib. However, where this is different is that unlike those two, Jenrick has a lot of old-Tory allies in his new party (many, many of them in fact), who will happily support him over Farage. And while this all plays out very publicly, Badenoch and Starmer will be happily munching on their popcorn.