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Perfect fit for Reform then
Brexit was a de facto vote on immigration for many.
Immigration was part of the issue in all of these, not the whole issue. The Brexit vote was near as damn it 50-50, and to say everyone who voted Brexit was doing so purely because of mass immigration is a stretch, whereas the Tories have never been elected with the majority of the vote.
Reform have to be very careful to not simply be a party of Conservative rejects.
I never claimed everyone who voted Brexit was doing it due to mass immigration, I only claimed it was a primary factor for many Brexit voters which is the truth.
| Leave | 17,410,742 | 51.89% |
| Remain | 16,141,241 | 48.11% |
Yes, and I was saying it didn't count as some sort of proxy vote on immigration only. Which it didn't.
Yeah I wasn't disputing that, more the assertion that can be used as some sort of measure for the public feeling on mass immigration. That was part of the vote, no denying that, but it isn't the reason everyone who voted to leave did so.
Is that right? Blimey, what a facepalm moment that is...Allegedly left his resignation plan on a photocopier.................
Anyone seen Mick Browns fax machine?
I didn't say people voted for Brexit purely on immigration though.
Apologies if I've misinterpreted your comments, that's what I read it as.
This one is probably ok because he's a big scalp and not a lunatic - it's the Nadine Dorries and Liz Trusses of this world which I think would damage public perception.
Youre right I said it was a proxy vote on mass immigration which is contentious to be fair (I myself was more annoyed at what I perceived as a democratic deficit), I just never made the claim it was the main issue for all Brexit voters.
Totally agree but it does appear that we have more here at the moment waiting in their application to be looked who aren’t in the category what we want that will benefit the UK.Hands up if you want immigration to increase . . . . .
Nobody . . . ?
What I think the majority of people DO want is a sensible immigration policy, that benefits the UK with people with a variety of skills who make a net contribution economically and culturally to make the country a better place. No doubt there's lots of arguments around what that actually looks like in terms of our needs and how you measure it, but I would imagine MOST on here can see how sensible controlled immigration can benefit everyone.
Surely nobody wants uncontrolled immigration. Nobody wants people arriving here in small boats controlled by OCGs. Nobody wants a huge backlog of people accommodated in hotels whilst we struggle to process claims because we stripped out the processing capacity. And I would expect that very few people want Higher Education establishments that are only viable when propped up by huge numbers of foreign students either!
Goodness.
I get what you are saying Baz and yes, there must be concerns about some of those awaiting processing. There are after all bad apples in ALL parts of society so stands to reason that there will be amongst those waiting, no doubt. But the corrolary of that is there are likely to be a significant number who can and want to contribute positively . . .and we should not throw the baby out with the bath water!
How "does it appear" ?
True - just look at any boat coming over. Overwhelmingly young men here to work in the shadow economy and commit crime. Many who have entered have killed and assaulted innocent people.
I totally agree again.
