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Watch Michael Holding again.

What evidence do you have that these divisions “haven’t existed for a very long time”.

<none whatsoever >
 
Watch Michael Holding again.

What evidence do you have that these divisions “haven’t existed for a very long time”.

<none whatsoever >

No, no evidence that things have improved over the last 30 years, <none whatsoever> .......... except this.

"However, there is a noticeable difference in severity; seven in ten (68%) think racism was present to ‘a great deal’ in UK society 30 years ago, and this has fallen to 47% today. This suggests that the type of racism people experience or witness has changed over time."

Source - https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...ten-bame-britons-think-racism-exists-same-lev

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No, no evidence that things have improved over the last 30 years, .......... except this.

"However, there is a noticeable difference in severity; seven in ten (68%) think racism was present to ‘a great deal’ in UK society 30 years ago, and this has fallen to 47% today. This suggests that the type of racism people experience or witness has changed over time."

Source - https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...ten-bame-britons-think-racism-exists-same-lev

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So 84% of black people feel racism is at least somewhat present in society today, and almost half think it is present to a severe extent!

Sounds like a big problem that society needs to be aware of, and reflect on how it can be effectively tackled...
 

take out white and put black word in there and it would be a big upraor shows how people like to pick and choose what there outraged about.


"black ppl simply through their dominant genes can literally wipe out the white race if we had the power to"

"melanin directly communicates with cosmic energy"

Some people just aren't worth listening to Danny.
 
I'm supportive of the movement but despair at the local groups that have hijacked the three words BLM to push a wider ranging left wing agenda (which opens the movement up to criticism from the right some of whom go out of their way to conflate the two).

We need MORE of the views and world experiences of the likes of Holding so we can judge the past and the present from all sides not just the side of those who wrote the history books l read at school.
The views of everyone on here are valid, the views of BLM are valid, but they are not earning public respect or confidence as long as they call to defund the police for example.
What we really need is an independent body or organisation that will take the whole issue of tackling racism forward, one that is not biased in any way, one that will listen to and acknowledge and respect all views from all areas of society, take on all the recommendations from previous reviews and inquiries into racism whether they’ve been implemented or not, and provide a focal point so that all interested parties can be confident that whatever actually needs to change, will change.
The Govt. announcing another inquiry is likely to be seen as just kicking the can down the road, but they will earn something approaching respect if that inquiry is seen to represent real progress.
 
It's amazing - someone makes stupid comments in Toronto and suddenly it's being used as conclusive evidence about Black Lives Matter all over the world

meanwhile here's lots more data and evidence.
not from 2011- but a video posted about half an hour a go.

I'm sure someone's going to be making unpleasant remarks about the presenter any minute.
 
The views of everyone on here are valid, the views of BLM are valid, but they are not earning public respect or confidence as long as they call to defund the police for example.
What we really need is an independent body or organisation that will take the whole issue of tackling racism forward, one that is not biased in any way, one that will listen to and acknowledge and respect all views from all areas of society, take on all the recommendations from previous reviews and inquiries into racism whether they’ve been implemented or not, and provide a focal point so that all interested parties can be confident that whatever actually needs to change, will change.
The Govt. announcing another inquiry is likely to be seen as just kicking the can down the road, but they will earn something approaching respect if that inquiry is seen to represent real progress.
I wholeheartedly agree.

It's important that we all remember that racism is not just white people being racist about black people, something I've seen a bit of struggle for activists to acknowledge or appreciate. When it's not white on black, the conversation becomes more painful for some, but it is something we have to acknowledge nonetheless
 
It's amazing - someone makes stupid comments in Toronto and suddenly it's being used as conclusive evidence about Black Lives Matter all over the world

meanwhile here's lots more data and evidence.
not from 2011- but a video posted about half an hour a go.

I'm sure someone's going to be making unpleasant remarks about the presenter any minute.
That's the culture people like BLM have made so powerful. You make one stupid comment, and that's it. Career gone, job gone or whatever.

Perhaps this is the moment people such as yourself step back and realise that we are all human and make mistakes... But it's easier to pile in and be outraged again until the standard is applied back.
 
The Calls to defund the police in the US seem to me entirely valid if you look at the kind of equipment the police have. armoured cars, missile launchers. and so on and what proportion of US city budget goes to the police Screenshot 2020-07-09 at 08.38.20.pngScreenshot 2020-07-09 at 08.38.20.png

In the UK it would be better expressed as fund other things that aren't the police. If you look at the massive cuts in youth clubs, parks, sports centres, libraries, mental health provision and all the other facilities that were once available for young people, plus the disastrous privatisation of the probation service, homelessness it's not surprising that the police are having to pick up the slack for all the other services. Their numbers were also cut to a dangerous level by this government.
 
The Calls to defund the police in the US seem to me entirely valid if you look at the kind of equipment the police have. armoured cars, missile launchers. and so on and what proportion of US city budget goes to the police View attachment 4044View attachment 4044

In the UK it would be better expressed as fund other things that aren't the police. If you look at the massive cuts in youth clubs, parks, sports centres, libraries, mental health provision and all the other facilities that were once available for young people, plus the disastrous privatisation of the probation service, homelessness it's not surprising that the police are having to pick up the slack for all the other services. Their numbers were also cut to a dangerous level by this government.
I‘m not an expert on policing in the U.S., or able to compare these figures in any way to U.K. policing because only they will know whether or not they are getting value for money but to hear that after George Floyd died they said that choke holds are now banned you realise just how far behind the curve they are and how much more advanced, for example, police conflict resolution training is over here.
I don’t disagree about funding cuts either and and I’m sure that’s a whole different conversation that we’ve played out somewhere on this forum before but the cuts, and how to redress the imbalance in particular around youth services, are a crucial element of any discussions in addressing racism.
 
How American`s chose to fund their police is down to them.
You would have thought for that sort of money de-escalation training would be well up there somewhere.
That is an American cultural problem not a broad brush to tar UK police with.

The whole funding and who picks up what is another topic all together however I would agree that the cuts to social services, youth clubs, community centres, libraries etc have increased the workload for the police who end up picking up the pieces.
Sadly our local council has a propensity to go for the "soft" targets first.
 


The 38-year-old striker says he found out after the game that he was was referred to as a "fat water buffalo" by a representative from the opposition.

"I believe it dehumanises me as a black man by associating me to a water buffalo, a dark animal, in a derogatory manner," Akinfenwa said in a statement.
 
That's the culture people like BLM have made so powerful. You make one stupid comment, and that's it. Career gone, job gone or whatever.

Perhaps this is the moment people such as yourself step back and realise that we are all human and make mistakes... But it's easier to pile in and be outraged again until the standard is applied back.

What unadulterated tosh.

Snowflakes portraying themselves as victims.

meanwhile
I agree with @Essexyellows that the police are having to pick up lots of duties that they aren;'t cut out for or funded for

it's not the local council going for soft targets first. it';s central government which has relentlessly been defunding local councils-


By 2020, local authorities will have faced a reduction to core funding from the Government of nearly £16 billion over the preceding decade. That means that councils will have lost 60p out of every £1 the Government had provided to spend on local services in the last eight years.

and they've particuarly been attacking those in Labour areas
 
I agree with @Essexyellows that the police are having to pick up lots of duties that they aren;'t cut out for or funded for

it's not the local council going for soft targets first. it';s

Sorry we will disagree on that. The City council receive 33% of their funding directly from Government plus health, rates etc.
They are always too "scared" to increase Council Tax (36% of their income) above the threshold, whereas most people would probably vote in favour to preserve the services, so they complain about "the government" rather than doing something about it.
Then they do the standard tick box survey of "we need to make cuts so where shall we do it?"........ libraries, museums etc are normally at the top of the list.
Put the Council Tax up for FFS. :)
 
Put the Council Tax up for FFS. :)
Although a few years ago Elmbridge Borough Council (in VERY leafy, bluer than blue Surrey) advised the government they would have no choice but to increase council tax to cover adult and child care services. The government found additional funds, council tax stayed the same.

That sort of neo-socialist spending by a Tory government would be seen as 'normal' now, but at the time raised some eyebrows.
 
How American`s chose to fund their police is down to them.
You would have thought for that sort of money de-escalation training would be well up there somewhere.
That is an American cultural problem not a broad brush to tar UK police with.

The whole funding and who picks up what is another topic all together however I would agree that the cuts to social services, youth clubs, community centres, libraries etc have increased the workload for the police who end up picking up the pieces.
Sadly our local council has a propensity to go for the "soft" targets first.

Because when Councils go for "hard" targets they get attacked by people who don't understand that Council funding has been gutted by austerity over a very short period (eg. public outrage at cutting libraries/Surestart Centres etc) whilst not being able to plan medium to long term due to how it was done. The Councils don't have fat to cut anyway as the number at risk of bankruptcy grows (CIPFA trade magazine Public Finance) so those "soft" targets were always going to be hit.

It was the Govt that went for a soft target in the Councils as it was a way to do austerity while passing on the political blame to others.
 
Sorry we will disagree on that. The City council receive 33% of their funding directly from Government plus health, rates etc.
They are always too "scared" to increase Council Tax (36% of their income) above the threshold, whereas most people would probably vote in favour to preserve the services, so they complain about "the government" rather than doing something about it.
Then they do the standard tick box survey of "we need to make cuts so where shall we do it?"........ libraries, museums etc are normally at the top of the list.
Put the Council Tax up for FFS. :)

It was in my post
. That means that councils will have lost 60p out of every £1 the Government had provided to spend on local services in the last eight years.


A sixty percent cut over 8 years.
 
It was in my post
And yet all that happens is the public get more and more angry as their council tax goes up by an above inflation % but the services provided seemingly get worse (don't mention the potholes!).

It's really not that difficult to fathom out why this is the case, if you actually are bothered about understanding how stuff works, rather than allowing the media to persuade you to just be angry about stuff......

It's is the policy of austerity red in tooth and claw......stoopid!
 
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