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If enough people want something to be divisive it will be.

Some people will continue to believe what they wish despite evidence to the contrary.
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So instead of going under the banner of BLM which plenty of people dont like,go under a new name stop taking the knee and doing black power salutes and see how much support that gets.
 
Oxford84 said:
So instead of going under the banner of BLM which plenty of people dont like,go under a new name stop taking the knee and doing black power salutes and see how much support that gets.
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We've been here before.
 
I think that expecting people who are protesting against the established way of the world to not be divisive is naive at best.

This kind of chilling is the main tool of the reactionary, and an easy way to stop anything changing (say, from the apparent egalitarian Utopia that some think we live in).

If you’re not pissing some people off you’re not going anywhere. If the establishment gets on your case, you’re probably onto something important.
 
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chuckbert said:
I think that expecting people who are protesting against the established way of the world to not be divisive is naive at best.

This kind of chilling is the main tool of the reactionary, and an easy way to stop anything changing (say, from the apparent egalitarian Utopia that some think we live in).

If you’re not pissing some people off you’re not going anywhere. If the establishment gets on your case, you’re probably onto something important.
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Yup. Let's think of some 'divisive' movements of the past - the Suffragettes both here and in the US, the US Civil liberties movement, anti-apartheid movement in SA, anti-NF marches here and many more. All 'divisive'. All more than worthwhile. You can't say people aren't allowed to protest because it is 'divisive' - that's the nature of the beast.
 
Essexyellows said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Tashaun Aird: Family of murdered boy critical of school exclusion

Tashaun Aird was stabbed to death in Hackney almost two years after he was excluded from school.
www.bbc.co.uk

Maybe, just maybe if he wasn`t a little :poop: he wouldn`t have been excluded.

It is not the systems fault.

He would have had plenty of warnings and notice.
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Having been involved with any number of children and young people facing or actively being excluded from school, my own view is that the system is indeed broken. And this is despite the significant efforts of teaching staff, other professionals and families in many situations. Congratulations in swerving away from all the complexity and finding a simplistic solution.
 
Essexyellows said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Tashaun Aird: Family of murdered boy critical of school exclusion

Tashaun Aird was stabbed to death in Hackney almost two years after he was excluded from school.
www.bbc.co.uk

Maybe, just maybe if he wasn`t a little :poop: he wouldn`t have been excluded.

It is not the systems fault.

He would have had plenty of warnings and notice.
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From the report, which I guess you read rather than the headline, it states that he was excluded following a prank involving a teachers coat. His appeal was then supported following an independent review, but the school refused to take him back. He was then picked up by an alternative education provide (Inspire!) which was described as a "chaotic environment" which appears to support the concerns his family raised.

So whilst he may not have been a star pupil, this is hardly the actions of a child that we turn our back on. There is no suggestions at all that he was involved in gangs or serious criminal activity. Yet he was abandoned by the system that is there to protect and support our children.

So I know it doesn't fit with your blinkered views, but this WAS the fault of the system and adding further blame on a young kid who was slaughtered in the street is pretty shameful.
 
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Steve McAvoy said:
Having been involved with any number of children and young people facing or actively being excluded from school, my own view is that the system is indeed broken. And this is despite the significant efforts of teaching staff, other professionals and families in many situations. Congratulations in swerving away from all the complexity and finding a simplistic solution.
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Scotchegg said:
From the report, which I guess you read rather than the headline, it states that he was excluded following a prank involving a teachers coat. His appeal was then supported following an independent review, but the school refused to take him back. He was then picked up by an alternative education provide (Inspire!) which was described as a "chaotic environment" which appears to support the concerns his family raised.

So whilst he may not have been a star pupil, this is hardly the actions of a child that we turn our back on. There is no suggestions at all that he was involved in gangs or serious criminal activity. Yet he was abandoned by the system that is there to protect and support our children.

So I know it doesn't fit with your blinkered views, but this WAS the fault of the system and adding further blame on a young kid who was slaughtered in the street is pretty shameful.
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You seriously believe that the "teachers coat" was the only transgression?

Yep, simplistic solution is that he created the situation.

Anyone who thinks he went from being a star pupil to exclusion in one step is naïve at best.

"Slaughtered on the street" ...................by other black kids influenced by gang culture and knives.

THAT is the simplistic problem. Black kids in gangs with knives.
 
Essexyellows said:
You seriously believe that the "teachers coat" was the only transgression?

Yep, simplistic solution is that he created the situation.

Anyone who thinks he went from being a star pupil to exclusion in one step is naïve at best.

"Slaughtered on the street" ...................by other black kids influenced by gang culture and knives.

THAT is the simplistic problem. Black kids in gangs with knives.
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No one is saying he was star pupil, but the decision to exclude was overturned on appeal by an independent body. So whatever the transgressions he should not have been excluded.

The school then turned their back on him, and he went from mainstream education, the standard we expect for all, to a 'youth club' for others also excluded. The system failed this kid and many others, who often come from the poorest backgrounds, with the lowest educational abilities, with underlying mental or physical health conditions, AND from ethnic backgrounds. Whether you see this or not, it is a fact that schools are simply refusing to support those kids who need it the most.

This creates the society we see. And if you see the slaughter of a child on our streets as anything other than a tragedy (regardless of who the killer(s) were) then I feel sorry for you.
 
Scotchegg said:
No one is saying he was star pupil, but the decision to exclude was overturned on appeal by an independent body. So whatever the transgressions he should not have been excluded.

The school then turned their back on him, and he went from mainstream education, the standard we expect for all, to a 'youth club' for others also excluded. The system failed this kid and many others, who often come from the poorest backgrounds, with the lowest educational abilities, with underlying mental or physical health conditions, AND from ethnic backgrounds. Whether you see this or not, it is a fact that schools are simply refusing to support those kids who need it the most.

This creates the society we see. And if you see the slaughter of a child on our streets as anything other than a tragedy (regardless of who the killer(s) were) then I feel sorry for you.
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Plural........ not just the "teachers coat" prank........ amazing how little detail there is as to his other transgressions and what he, his parents or others did to support him barring "blame the school".
So do the school keep the disruptive element in after several transgressions or do they get rid? See Fleetwood & Ched Evans.
Some people don`t take their chances and end up either in your hands or, as in this case, the dark world of gangs, knives and young black males.

If you can`t see the issue of gangs, knives and the many young black males that end up dead or in custody then you too have my sympathy.
 
Essexyellows said:
Plural........ not just the "teachers coat" prank........ amazing how little detail there is as to his other transgressions and what he, his parents or others did to support him barring "blame the school".
So do the school keep the disruptive element in after several transgressions or do they get rid? See Fleetwood & Ched Evans.
Some people don`t take their chances and end up either in your hands or, as in this case, the dark world of gangs, knives and young black males.

If you can`t see the issue of gangs, knives and the many young black males that end up dead or in custody then you too have my sympathy.
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You can't compare mainstream education with employment. Education is a right and something that the vast majority enjoy. However there are those that I mentioned, those with additional educational needs, those with underlying physical or mental health issues, and those with behavioural issues, that are all too frequently excluded because they are "difficult".

The highest number of excluded kids come from the poorest performing schools, which are often in the poorest most disaffected communities, which are populated by the most ethnically diverse of us. So statistics you are far more likely to be excluded from school if you're a black child.

So, whilst it's right to say that gang culture, knife crime etc is (in some communities) committed by young black men against other young black men, the problem begins much earlier.
 

So the coat was the third exclusion two short warnings then a PEX.

In December 2017, Child C received a good end of year report, which concluded that he had settled reasonably well into the AP.

In January 2018, at age 14, Child C told a teacher at the AP about a domestic incident between his mother and stepfather and that he had attempted to intervene by placing himself between them. This was reported to have resulted in a brief physical fight between Child C and his stepfather. The case was appropriately referred to HCFS and allocated on the same day to a consultant social worker (CSW).

Not long after the CSW began their assessment, Child C threatened and punched another boy, with whom he was having an on-going dispute. Child C was given advice by the police and issued with a harassment warning. He was said to be genuinely remorseful for his actions and the matter was closed with the appropriate submission of a police notification to HCFS.

Between February 2018 and January 2019, Child C received four additional fixed term exclusions from the AP for various breaches of school rules. A progression mentor from the PRU spent a lot of time with Child C and his family in an attempt to understand why his engagement in education was deteriorating and the perceived risks he faced. In January 2019, after an incident of violence towards a staff member, Child C received a 2 day fixed term exclusion. At the beginning of February 2019, the family met with the PRU and agreed a plan of support designed to get Child C’s education back on track through the rest of year 11. Within days, Child C had been stabbed for the first time resulting in the agreed plan not being actioned as Child C did not return to the AP thereafter


In two short years he went from being a normal kid to involvement with County lines and crime and it was "the systems" fault??
 
Essexyellows said:

So the coat was the third exclusion two short warnings then a PEX.

In December 2017, Child C received a good end of year report, which concluded that he had settled reasonably well into the AP.

In January 2018, at age 14, Child C told a teacher at the AP about a domestic incident between his mother and stepfather and that he had attempted to intervene by placing himself between them. This was reported to have resulted in a brief physical fight between Child C and his stepfather. The case was appropriately referred to HCFS and allocated on the same day to a consultant social worker (CSW).

Not long after the CSW began their assessment, Child C threatened and punched another boy, with whom he was having an on-going dispute. Child C was given advice by the police and issued with a harassment warning. He was said to be genuinely remorseful for his actions and the matter was closed with the appropriate submission of a police notification to HCFS.

Between February 2018 and January 2019, Child C received four additional fixed term exclusions from the AP for various breaches of school rules. A progression mentor from the PRU spent a lot of time with Child C and his family in an attempt to understand why his engagement in education was deteriorating and the perceived risks he faced. In January 2019, after an incident of violence towards a staff member, Child C received a 2 day fixed term exclusion. At the beginning of February 2019, the family met with the PRU and agreed a plan of support designed to get Child C’s education back on track through the rest of year 11. Within days, Child C had been stabbed for the first time resulting in the agreed plan not being actioned as Child C did not return to the AP thereafter


In two short years he went from being a normal kid to involvement with County lines and crime and it was "the systems" fault??
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Does anyone here imagine what the world would be like for them if everything they had done as a teenager was recorded and available to all and sundry?
 
Essexyellows said:

So the coat was the third exclusion two short warnings then a PEX.

In December 2017, Child C received a good end of year report, which concluded that he had settled reasonably well into the AP.

In January 2018, at age 14, Child C told a teacher at the AP about a domestic incident between his mother and stepfather and that he had attempted to intervene by placing himself between them. This was reported to have resulted in a brief physical fight between Child C and his stepfather. The case was appropriately referred to HCFS and allocated on the same day to a consultant social worker (CSW).

Not long after the CSW began their assessment, Child C threatened and punched another boy, with whom he was having an on-going dispute. Child C was given advice by the police and issued with a harassment warning. He was said to be genuinely remorseful for his actions and the matter was closed with the appropriate submission of a police notification to HCFS.

Between February 2018 and January 2019, Child C received four additional fixed term exclusions from the AP for various breaches of school rules. A progression mentor from the PRU spent a lot of time with Child C and his family in an attempt to understand why his engagement in education was deteriorating and the perceived risks he faced. In January 2019, after an incident of violence towards a staff member, Child C received a 2 day fixed term exclusion. At the beginning of February 2019, the family met with the PRU and agreed a plan of support designed to get Child C’s education back on track through the rest of year 11. Within days, Child C had been stabbed for the first time resulting in the agreed plan not being actioned as Child C did not return to the AP thereafter


In two short years he went from being a normal kid to involvement with County lines and crime and it was "the systems" fault??
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Yes, it was a systems failure. I do hope our team get 3 points (TP) on Boxing Day (BD) so reducing the risk of a relegation struggle (RS) in the New Year (NY). Interesting view of a life lived submerged by ‘acronyms’.
 
Essexyellows said:
In two short years he went from being a normal kid to involvement with County lines and crime and it was "the systems" fault??
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@Essexyellows , come on, you're a bright guy working in a highly responsible position and you can do far better than to be so openly selective in the bits of the report that you choose to highlight.

It very clearly states that the decision to exclude this young man was the catalyst for the deterioration of his behaviour. He went from being, in your words, a bit of a s**t, to being thrown into a "chaotic environment" with other excluded children who had more entrenched behavioural issues.

The decision to exclude was wrong. And that very decision took a naughty, but vulnerable young boy into an environment that breed anti-social behaviour, criminality and ultimately his death.

So, yes, the system very much was at fault.
 
Scotchegg said:
@Essexyellows , come on, you're a bright guy working in a highly responsible position and you can do far better than to be so openly selective in the bits of the report that you choose to highlight.

It very clearly states that the decision to exclude this young man was the catalyst for the deterioration of his behaviour. He went from being, in your words, a bit of a s**t, to being thrown into a "chaotic environment" with other excluded children who had more entrenched behavioural issues.

The decision to exclude was wrong. And that very decision took a naughty, but vulnerable young boy into an environment that breed anti-social behaviour, criminality and ultimately his death.

So, yes, the system very much was at fault.
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The reality is that people fall through the holes in the net.

Don`t end up in the net in the first place is a good start.

There were lots of interventions and even the alternative placement was working, but he chose to take a different path and met others of a similar ilk who had no value on life.

There are a lot of them around and they are predominantly young, black males.

When we accept that we might have a chance of fixing a huge problem.
 
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