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Ex-Player Thread Ben Nelson
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Joey
Level: John Aldridge
(141 Apps, 90 Gls)
Apparently they value him at absolutely obscene money. Possibly a bit of the Peterborough in naming a ridiculous price and working down from there but what they want would beat our current transfer record by 30 times or so.
He still has an error in him, especially understandable after a layoff, but he'll be a hell of a player with a bit more experience when he knocks them out which I think he will.
Northernyellow
Level: Andy Crosby
(122 Apps, 13 Gls)
Makes me laugh when people say that Elliott Moore (whom I like, but he's no more than a decent L1 player) is better than Nelson.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
No better than a decent L1 player?
What bollox
Northernyellow
Level: Andy Crosby
(122 Apps, 13 Gls)
Nope. It's all opinion. But if we released Moore tomorrow, he wouldn't be picked up by a Championship club. He doesn't mark as aggressively as Helik or Brown. He's very good in L1, but if we stay up, he'll be gone in the summer. Nelson will be playing PL in the next couple of years.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
He has been good in the Championship this season in my view.
I reckon he would be picked up by a Championship club.
Vancouver Yellow
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
Pompey would be all over Moore if he was available.
Northernyellow
Level: Andy Crosby
(122 Apps, 13 Gls)
We'll have to agree to disagree. I really like Moore, but he doesn't dominate. He's a far more passive player than Helik and Moore. They both intervene and are far more aggressive in the challenge. Rowett will know this. That's why he bought Helik and why he kept a squad
place open for Nelson. All players have a level- the players know it and so do managers. Moore is very good in L1, and gets by in the Championship, but only just. A couple of years ago, there was a bit of chat about Moore going to Bristol City. Nigel Pearson was asked about it and couldn't say no fast enough . Basically said Moore was playing at a level (L1) that was very suited to him. Anyway - this thread is about
Nelson. He's extremely good. Leicester will recall him. Bet he's an ever present for them next season.
Northernyellow
Level: Andy Crosby
(122 Apps, 13 Gls)
PS. Look at how Helik marks. He's always 'touch tight'. He attacks the ball- and his opponent - far more aggressively than Moore does. So does Brown, but Helik is slightly quicker to intervene than Brown. Moore tends to 'marshal' his player, rather than control him. Probably because he's slightly lacking in pace, and is concerned at being turned. His spring is also not great- not uncommon in very tall players. In L1 his awareness and positioning covers for his slightly passive marking, but in the Championship it gives forwards a little bit more space. I guarantee that will come up in opposition scouting reports, and is identified as a potential weakness. Also, look at how often players back into him, as they know he can be bullied.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
And yet when Elliott Moore plays our defence is generally better.
Rowett knows he wants options. He signed Helik when we were having a defensive crisis. He does mark more aggressively than Moore but is also slower (yes slower than Moore) and is not as calm. He is also not great when bringing the ball out. Despite Helik playing in the Championship before, it doesn't look like there was a que of championship clubs queuing to sign him other than us.
90syeIlow
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
Ridiculous.
tatabanya
Level: Dave Roberts
(176 Apps, 8 Gls)
When the news leaked that we was heading to us we nearly lost him to one with much loftier aspirations
I think the defence as a unit tends to look better when Moore plays, even if he doesn't stand out individually as much as others. Helik worries me at times - can look awkward, and as if he's going to get caught in possession. Was excellent yesterday though.
if you say so.
Stranger
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
You are @Paul Cannell and I claim my £5
And the rest… he looks like he’s England-bound to me. He’s just had 5 months out of action and steps seamlessly back in to championship football.
I said in his first few games that he reminds me of John Stones. Who knows whether he’ll reach the same heights but I think if he stays away from further injuries this boy will have an unbelievable career.
I suspect he will go straight in to Leicester’s team in the Champ next year and when he inevitably stands out, the big clubs will begin to circle. Hell of a talent.
Not from me you don't.
If Moore’s reactions were a bit quicker he could be a top league 1 defender.
Northernyellow
Level: Andy Crosby
(122 Apps, 13 Gls)
Haha! No. But all I'm saying is that Moore is a very good L1 defender, who's just about ok in the Championship, but no more than that. I think Helik and Brown are both more effective than Moore at Championship level. And Nelson is going to be better, and will play at a higher level, than all three of them. Not particularly controversial....
Orkney Islands Yellow
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
An absolute Rolls Royce of a defender who we should enjoy having for the next few games as it's likely he'll be at the heart of the Leicester defence in the championship next season.
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Nelson, I doubt there is a single Oxford fan that would disagree. In terms of Moore v Helik, from what I've seen of Helik so far there is not much in it. Both not the quickest but I think Moore is quicker. Helik is generally more aggressive in the tackle although ironically he wasn't for the first goal against Hull. Helik offers more of a goal threat. Moore is better at bringing the ball out and passing from the back although by no means exceptional in that dept. Moore appears to be a calmer presence and a leader. Both are excellent at dealing with high balls. It's great we actually have some options now.
If only he were as effective in both boxes. It's quite weird with Helik, I feel great about him when we win a set piece but he gives me jitters defensively. It's not that he's bad, he just doesn't convince me and I think he gets roughed up by players that he should chew up and spit out. I think Moore is a better defender of central spaces but the best of Helik may be yet to come. I'd love to see him defend as convincingly as he smashed in the goal at Hull. Then we'd have a monster on our hands.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
Statistically we have had 10 clean sheets this season (11th best in the Division)
Generally we have been really good when conceding corners, dead balls ( and yesterday long throws).
I would suggest that generally our back 5 have been good Championship players this season ( whoever has played).
Next season we need to be more creative and need a bit more quality in the team.
Generally we have been really good when conceding corners, dead balls ( and yesterday long throws).
I would suggest that generally our back 5 have been good Championship players this season ( whoever has played).
Next season we need to be more creative and need a bit more quality in the team.
How can anyone know if Moore or Helix is faster? If they had a hundred metre race the sun would have swallowed the earth before we had a winner.
Gregortheox
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
I agree. I wouldn’t look to make wholesale changes defensively. I don’t think we are so vulnerable here.
I think where we will need to invest will be in centre mid and up top. Probably 5 or 6 players with at least that many leaving.
The club will have stats on it all. For the purpose of this forum debate, I said 'I think' Moore is quicker not that I know. I might be wrong and Helik might the quicker. I'm basing my opinion on me viewing them both. Neither of them are particularly quick but Moore seems a bit quicker to me.
They are both slow (for pro footballers) can’t say one has looked quicker than the other to me but if you think you have seen something then fair enough.
Steve Gilbert
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
While I think Nelson is a better player than Moore I also think Moore is a good player. Would he be my captain? No but he is good at what he does and knows his limitations.
There is nothing wrong with thinking both players are good enough for this level. I actually think when it comes to CB's we are very strong with Helik, Moore, Nelson and Brown as options.
There is nothing wrong with thinking both players are good enough for this level. I actually think when it comes to CB's we are very strong with Helik, Moore, Nelson and Brown as options.
Yellowarmy
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
The only issue with Moore is he is injury prone, he tends to miss 6 week periods more than once a season
Steve Gilbert
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
He has played 235 in just under 6 seasons, I wouldn't say that is an injury prone player.
