At what point does the button get pushed?

gofish2

gofish2

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32 games and 33 points
7 wins from 32 games, 13 losses and 12 draws
48 goals conceded and a -10 goal difference.

14 games remaining, and 42 points available

Current average, 1 point per game so we might get another 14 points, thus a total of 47 points.
At what point does Tiger/the board intervene?
 
gofish2 said:
32 games and 33 points
7 wins from 32 games, 13 losses and 12 draws
48 goals conceded and a -10 goal difference.

14 games remaining, and 42 points available

Current average, 1 point per game so we might get another 14 points, thus a total of 47 points.
At what point does Tiger/the board intervene?
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What button? Why didn’t you say this after the Sunderland game?
 
Well I have said similar prior to the Sunderland game, since then I was hoping for the best. The button reference is fairly easy to work out....
 
gofish2 said:
32 games and 33 points
7 wins from 32 games, 13 losses and 12 draws
48 goals conceded and a -10 goal difference.

14 games remaining, and 42 points available

Current average, 1 point per game so we might get another 14 points, thus a total of 47 points.
At what point does Tiger/the board intervene?
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When/if we get relegated, then he’s a goner (unless he walks first).
 
Manorlounger said:
Would be nice to think they organise themselves but I think the reality is that the day to day running of the football is of no consequence to the board.
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Why would they need to organize themselves to have a meeting about releasing the manager if it's not what they wish to do/?
 
horseman said:
Why would they need to organize themselves to have a meeting about releasing the manager if it's not what they wish to do/?
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Might have missed my point there! I am not convinced that the entire board are there with the intent of running/overseeing the football club. If Tiger were to say Robinson out, then I would guess that that is all it would take. Ain't going to happen, as we have all pretty much surmised, so academic really.
 
holdsteady said:
We have taken 43 points from 41 league games under Robinson’s management, not pulling up trees is he?

Under a normal ownership he would be gone or under big pressure but this isn’t that so I should imagine he is here till the end, just have to hope he can pull something out of the bag and keep us up by the skin of our teeth.
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Even if we get relegated he’ll still be here. He’s as much a part of the management structure at the club as Tiger and NM. I think they all come as a package until when and if Tiger departs.
 
holdsteady said:
We have taken 43 points from 41 league games under Robinson’s management, not pulling up trees is he?
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You’re not allowed to use facts. Same as you’re not allowed to dislike the manager after the team has played well or maybe won a game, even though next time you are ‘allowed’ to moan you’ll have it thrown at you how you didn’t after the win. Even though you weren’t ‘allowed’ to moan then either.

Understand? No, neither do I.
 
yellowbow said:
Even if we get relegated he’ll still be here. He’s as much a part of the management structure at the club as Tiger and NM. I think they all come as a package until when and if Tiger departs.
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If we get relegated then he will be sacked. They have previously talked to him about going on his own accord but he wasn’t interested.
 
Just think Tiger will walk if the Board wanted Championship Football and then the dream they would of invested in the last window would love to know why the big players (directors) are hear. Not sure we should blame Robinson.
 
gofish2 said:
32 games and 33 points
7 wins from 32 games, 13 losses and 12 draws
48 goals conceded and a -10 goal difference.

14 games remaining, and 42 points available

Current average, 1 point per game so we might get another 14 points, thus a total of 47 points.
At what point does Tiger/the board intervene?
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Tiger has been pushing our buttons since he arrived with his bullshit. However much he has allegedly invested it just isnt enough and the well MUST now be empty. Same old crap on deadline day - any old signings to appease the fans but seemingly most of them signed for the reserves (U23) rather than to be real impact players in the first team. He is a complete charlatan (person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick or deception in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception. Synonyms for "charlatan" include "shyster", "quack", or "faker"). Until there is a complete overhaul at board room level we will never regain credibility - I shudder to think of the type of applications we might get if he does get rids of silly b*****s Robinson. Wonder what yarns they will spin this year to get the season ticket renewals in early. And why do we suddenly have no direction? Very odd to hear Neil pre match saying that he was working so hard to find a sustainable blueprint for the club that works, when 2 years ago we were the envy of many for picking up players and developing them quickly to be sold at huge profits. Everything has imploded since the beer bandit and his "calm down" sidekick slithered into town. We don't pay our bills and we cannot attract decent young talent
 
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I’ve pondered this question this evening. Whilst I’ve posted in a mild form of support in our manager in some capacity, I don’t think we should totally dismiss the idea of sacking him.

Cast your mind back to 2005-06. Talbot as manager was allowed to limp on as manager until mid-March. Whilst there were opportunities to arrest our slide after that under Jim Smith and Talbot wasn’t totally to blame as his hands were tied by a shoestring budget from FK (in an alternate universe, Patterson could have kept us up and FK continued as owner for longer), it was the occasional draw and win followed by a couple of defeats that kept him there for so long. We looked ok at times but ok slid us down the table when we needed to be better. How long do we put up with ‘positive’ draws that don’t pull us up the table when we really need wins?

Any incoming manager would have this group of players at their disposal and no others. There’s no opportunities for reinforcements. I do think that there are some good players in our current bunch even if the squad is unbalanced. Would a new manager be able to generate anything different from them? Maybe some different tactics, creative set pieces or motivation could help.

One to ponder especially when we continue to waste opportunities to pull away and KR plays the same rigid system that looks good but doesn’t deliver game after game.
 
RyanioBirdio said:
You’re not allowed to use facts. Same as you’re not allowed to dislike the manager after the team has played well or maybe won a game, even though next time you are ‘allowed’ to moan you’ll have it thrown at you how you didn’t after the win. Even though you weren’t ‘allowed’ to moan then either.

Understand? No, neither do I.
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I grant that you have been clear and consistent in your dislike of Robinson. What annoys me is that if the ball bobbles wide from a last minute chance everyone moans about Tiger, but if it bobbles in then people talk about a plucky comeback and too good to go down. Some perspective is needed, and to separate the team from the backstage shenanigans
 
unification said:
I’ve pondered this question this evening. Whilst I’ve posted in a mild form of support in our manager in some capacity, I don’t think we should totally dismiss the idea of sacking him.

Cast your mind back to 2005-06. Talbot as manager was allowed to limp on as manager until mid-March. Whilst there were opportunities to arrest our slide after that under Jim Smith and Talbot wasn’t totally to blame as his hands were tied by a shoestring budget from FK (in an alternate universe, Patterson could have kept us up and FK continued as owner for longer), it was the occasional draw and win followed by a couple of defeats that kept him there for so long. We looked ok at times but ok slid us down the table when we needed to be better. How long do we put up with ‘positive’ draws that don’t pull us up the table when we really need wins?

Any incoming manager would have this group of players at their disposal and no others. There’s no opportunities for reinforcements. I do think that there are some good players in our current bunch even if the squad is unbalanced. Would a new manager be able to generate anything different from them? Maybe some different tactics, creative set pieces or motivation could help.

One to ponder especially when we continue to waste opportunities to pull away and KR plays the same rigid system that looks good but doesn’t deliver game after game.
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Now that really is an alternate universe!
 
We've just been narrowly beaten by a team who have been in and around the top 6 all season, conceding a goal to someone who cost £650k. That's on the back of looking the better team against Sunderland, Portsmouth and Barnsley.

We started out shite, and had a bad Christmas when injuries caught up with us. Aside from that, we've put together some decent results and performances. Many were predicting that we'd get nothing from the last few weeks, get no one in during January and see the likes of Browne, Nelson and possibly Brannaghan leave. Now we have talk of getting rid of Robinson, relegation as if it's a certainty, administration and Phoenix clubs!!

Seriously, get a bloody grip of yourselves! We've got 14 games left and I hope that everyone at the club has a lot more fight in them than some on here who gave up months ago.
 
I admire your positivity but let's face it, the remaining 14 matches are against teams that we have already played in the first half of the season with relegation-level success. What leads you to think that we will improve upon this and increase our points ratio to more than one per game thus avoiding relegation. I sincerely hope that your optimism bears fruit.

Conceding a goal to a £650k striker, what about our £4m striker.

The bad Xmas cannot be attributed solely to injuries, other teams sussed out our rigid method of play and weaknesses and adopted appropriate tactics to achieve success against us.

January signings:- Sinclair, not the experienced striker that we needed. Sykes and Smith, not played at all. Kashi, limited playing time with no impact. Repeat of the Summer when KR held out to sign Smith at the expense of signing the type of player needed.

OK the likes of Nelson did not leave but will be a valueless free agent come Summer. People prayed he wouldn't leave as we were likely to be relegated without him! Where was he on Saturday against the £650k goalscorer.

Robinson, the epitomy of immaturity with a rigid playing style, unable to use players to their strengths and bereft of tactical imagination. I agree that replacing him at this stage would be unfair on any new manager even if we could afford to end his contract.

Fight from the players, little evidence of that against the Posh.

Get a grip of ourselves, people are simply being realistic based on the evidence to date.
 
RyanioBirdio said:
You’re not allowed to use facts. Same as you’re not allowed to dislike the manager after the team has played well or maybe won a game, even though next time you are ‘allowed’ to moan you’ll have it thrown at you how you didn’t after the win. Even though you weren’t ‘allowed’ to moan then either.

Understand? No, neither do I.
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What an amazingly paranoid outburst.
 
Say what you like about the ownership and shambolic off the field stuff.

The fact of the matter is that our squad and budget is more than strong enough to stay in League One. Surely the on the field performances have to fall squarely at Robinsons door?

Blackpool for example have had all sorts going on off the field for years, yet they don’t let it affect them on the pitch and are punching well above their weight.
 
westyorkshireexile said:
I admire your positivity but let's face it, the remaining 14 matches are against teams that we have already played in the first half of the season with relegation-level success. What leads you to think that we will improve upon this and increase our points ratio to more than one per game thus avoiding relegation.
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Barring Sunderland (and you could argue that we deserved to win away or were fortuitous to equalise at home), results in the reverse fixtures have not been repeated.
 
I wouldn’t get rid of the manager because statistics show that the new manager bump is a myth and I’ve no confidence that a new person appointed by Tiger would resurrect this squad.

Long term I do not believe in Karl Robinson though.

I have every sympathy for those pushing the panic button though even if they’d done it after Sunderland. It’s worth stating that if you haven’t won away all season, then noble draws at home aren’t much use. We may “play well” for 45 minutes but we don’t grind out results and our elegant attack distracts from an impotent defense and strike force.

So quite frankly I’d be pushing the panic button after Sunderland at home and all the other draws that go down as another missed opportunity on the sandtimer of relegation
 
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