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[Marked Ox]

Those same PL teams that come down into the Championship with rather large parachute payments? *

*Lets exclude Leicester for a moment..

Yes and in all likelihood they will still have a smaller budget unless they are Spurs and the owners decide to throw money at it.

It will also got more extreme between L1 and L2, as L1 teams can spend 60% of turnover on wages whereas L2 teams, it is 50% of a generally smaller turnover (there may be exceptions of course).

 

[stokeu]

Y viva Espaňa, another example of how the game touches people that some will never understand. If I wasn't on a plane to Mauritius over the weekend I’d be tempted to go…….

Veteran goalkeeper, 70, to return to pitch for official game in Spain

Ángel Mateos González due to play for CD Colunga, making him oldest player to take part in official match

www.theguardian.com

 

[West Oxon U’s]

Wow.

 

[OUFCGav]

It’s absolute rubbish. I can’t fathom the point of it at all.

It is a way of reducing the number of fixtures. They increased the number of teams in the SPL to 12 teams, which would mean a 44 game season, which they didn't want. So the teams play each other 3 times, then the division splits and each team plays 5 more times against the teams in same half, to make 38 games.
Its an absolute sham.
[corrected for clarity]

 

[SteMerritt]

So the teams play each other 33 times

That line did make me laugh, I know what you meant but it wasn't that. The teams play each other 3 times, for a total of 33 games, then the split brings the extra 5 games for a 38 game season.

It is of course possible for the team in 10th to finish above the team in 11th with fewer points, because when the split happens the top 10 and bottom 10 teams are set.

 

[OUFCGav]

That line did make me laugh, I know what you meant but it wasn't that. The teams play each other 3 times, for a total of 33 games, then the split brings the extra 5 games for a 38 game season.

It is of course possible for the team in 10th to finish above the team in 11th with fewer points, because when the split happens the top 10 and bottom 10 teams are set.

Argh. Trying to condense the stupid into less words....

 

[Boris]

Argh. Trying to condense the stupid into less words....

Fewer

 

[OUFCGav]

Fewer

I knew I was headed for that...

 

[Essexyellows]

Its time for an old fav................

 

[Emilio]

Not a Premier League fan, however this is a potentially interesting one regarding european qualification. Bare with me, because it requires some very specific stipulations...

The table as it stands, for context:


If Villa win the Europa League AND finish 5th in the league, then a 6th place finish would become a Champions League qualification spot. The Europa League final takes place before the final day of the Premier League season.

Brentford face Liverpool on the final day of the season. It is possible that the sides enter that match under the following circumstances:

• Liverpool are 4th, no more than 2 points ahead of Villa
• Villa have won the EL, and are in 5th
• Brentford are in 6th with at least a 3-point buffer on 7th

If this is so, then anything less than a Liverpool win would leave the door open for Villa to leapfrog them into 4th place, thus stripping 6th place of a Champions League qualification spot.

Therefore, Brentford could go to Anfield knowing they need to lose to ensure they themselves qualify for the Champions League. Given that throwing a game would lead to a points deduction, Brentford would need to lose the game without looking like they are trying to.

 

[EastStandKieran]

Not a Premier League fan, however this is a potentially interesting one regarding european qualification. Bare with me, because it requires some very specific stipulations...

The table as it stands, for context:
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If Villa win the Europa League AND finish 5th in the league, then a 6th place finish would become a Champions League qualification spot. The Europa League final takes place before the final day of the Premier League season.

Brentford face Liverpool on the final day of the season. It is possible that the sides enter that match under the following circumstances:

• Liverpool are 4th, no more than 2 points ahead of Villa
• Villa have won the EL, and are in 5th
• Brentford are in 6th with at least a 3-point buffer on 7th

If this is so, then anything less than a Liverpool win would leave the door open for Villa to leapfrog them into 4th place, thus stripping 6th place of a Champions League qualification spot.

Therefore, Brentford could go to Anfield knowing they need to lose to ensure they themselves qualify for the Champions League. Given that throwing a game would lead to a points deduction, Brentford would need to lose the game without looking like they are trying to.

As good as all that sounds what are Bournemouth going to do who actually occupy 6th spot

 

[Emilio]

As good as all that sounds what are Bournemouth going to do who actually occupy 6th spot

Not having a match against any of the other relevant parties, they just want to do their best to finish as high as they can.

 

[MarkG]

Not a Premier League fan, however this is a potentially interesting one regarding european qualification. Bare with me, because it requires some very specific stipulations...

The table as it stands, for context:
View attachment 35179

If Villa win the Europa League AND finish 5th in the league, then a 6th place finish would become a Champions League qualification spot. The Europa League final takes place before the final day of the Premier League season.

Brentford face Liverpool on the final day of the season. It is possible that the sides enter that match under the following circumstances:

• Liverpool are 4th, no more than 2 points ahead of Villa
• Villa have won the EL, and are in 5th
• Brentford are in 6th with at least a 3-point buffer on 7th

If this is so, then anything less than a Liverpool win would leave the door open for Villa to leapfrog them into 4th place, thus stripping 6th place of a Champions League qualification spot.

Therefore, Brentford could go to Anfield knowing they need to lose to ensure they themselves qualify for the Champions League. Given that throwing a game would lead to a points deduction, Brentford would need to lose the game without looking like they are trying to.

Why does it matter if Villa finish 4th rather than 5th, assuming having won the Europa League?
In terms of how many teams qualify for Champions League?

 

[SteMerritt]

Why does it matter if Villa finish 4th rather than 5th, assuming having won the Europa League?
In terms of how many teams qualify for Champions League?

If they qualify via winning the Europa League and also finish in a "league" qualifying position, the league loses that qualifying position and it is reallocated elsewhere, to the club in UCL qualifying with the highest UEFA coefficient.

In 2023/24, Atalanta won the Europa League, but had already qualified for the Champions League via their league place. They took qualification from the EL, the Italian space they occupied was lost, and Benfica were the recipients of the freed space.

 

[MarkG]

If they qualify via winning the Europa League and also finish in a "league" qualifying position, the league loses that qualifying position and it is reallocated elsewhere, to the club in UCL qualifying with the highest UEFA coefficient.

In 2023/24, Atalanta won the Europa League, but had already qualified for the Champions League via their league place. They took qualification from the EL, the Italian space they occupied was lost, and Benfica were the recipients of the freed space.

How Premier League clubs qualify for European competitions

A breakdown of how Premier League clubs can qualify for the UEFA Champions League, Europa League and Europa Conference League

www.premierleague.com

simple!

 

[Emilio]

How Premier League clubs qualify for European competitions

A breakdown of how Premier League clubs can qualify for the UEFA Champions League, Europa League and Europa Conference League

www.premierleague.com

simple!

Quagmire, but the final part locks in the answer to your question:

 

[Left Wing Cross]

Shenanigans ahead of the play-offs

Southampton spying probe: Saints face EFL probe for spying on Middlesbrough

The EFL launches an investigation into an alleged case of spying by a member of Southampton's staff at Middlesbrough before they meet in the Championship play-offs.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Emilio]

Rochdale went up in the National League play-off final today (rightly so, after the season they've had) with a dramatic 96th min equaliser, and won on pens.

Oh, and this is their keeper. Only 18-years-old, so remember the name! Reckon he'll have a cracking future ahead of him!

 

[Foley]

Rochdale went up in the National League play-off final today (rightly so, after the season they've had) with a dramatic 96th min equaliser, and won on pens.

Oh, and this is their keeper. Only 18-years-old, so remember the name! Reckon he'll have a cracking future ahead of him!
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On loan from Man City

 

[unification]

Rochdale went up in the National League play-off final today (rightly so, after the season they've had) with a dramatic 96th min equaliser, and won on pens.

Oh, and this is their keeper. Only 18-years-old, so remember the name! Reckon he'll have a cracking future ahead of him!
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He had a busy game making some key saves including those in the penalty shootout. Beavering away, you could say.

 

[londonyellow]

He had a busy game making some key saves including those in the penalty shootout. Beavering away, you could say.

A lot of diving then?

 

[West Oxon U’s]

Shocked to see that Hornchurch beat Torquay Utd to take their place in the National League.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

Shocked to see that Hornchurch beat Torquay Utd to take their place in the National League”

I am more shocked that they have moved the whole of Hartlepool further north.

 

[Didcotox]

Shocked to see that Hornchurch beat Torquay Utd to take their place in the National League”

Whomever put that map together has clearly never been to Yeovil! Nowhere near there!

 

[Boris]

I am more shocked that they have moved the whole of Hartlepool further north.

We can but hope

 

[Boris]

Whomever put that map together has clearly never been to Yeovil! Nowhere near there!

There's loads of errors - Boston is on the coast, Scunthorpe is on the Humber, Fylde is, er, by the Fylde Peninsula...

 

[Marked Ox]

Whomever put that map together has clearly never been to Yeovil! Nowhere near there!

AFC Fylde is near Blackpool not Liverpool or in line with Manchester.

 

[holdsteady]

AI is going to take over, it might take a while though because it’s geography is s**t.

 

[Twiggy85]

I am more shocked that they have moved the whole of Hartlepool further north.

and that Yeovil seems to have replaced Bath.

 

[Chris1963]

Shocked to see that Hornchurch beat Torquay Utd to take their place in the National League.

They did finish in second place in the final league table, so not all that much of a shock. It will be interesting to see how their ground copes though - it's an athletics stadium with mostly flat standing around the perimeter and not much space to expand, as a look at the aerial photos will show.