International News After Covid.....

Also on the plus side, travel and subsistence costs for private and public sector have dropped off a cliff. Maybe this will be a driver to change the way we work for good . .. it keeps costs down if you don't really need to send people places. People also spend less on fuel/car maintenance/travel costs on their commute (those who don't get it as part of their package) and consequently (if they are able to work remotely and retain their full salary) are better off.

Of course, that could equally be used as an excuse by employers to pay less in the longer run (if you're a bastard, that is).
 
At a purely selfish personal level, I'm missing not being able to go to a pub. I don't drink at home unless we have visitors, which obviously is not happening at the moment. Consequently, I've just reached the '50 days without a drink' milestone. I'm yearning for the Greyhound on Upgate in Louth to re-open. Latest government guidelines suggest some pubs and restauarants might be allowed to open in early July.

Which made me think - how the hell will that happen assuming social distancing is still required? Will numbers inside a pub be restricted? Will there be one entry / exit point manned by security? Even with reduced numbers, how will people be distanced at bars? Will people be allowed to congregate at the bar once served? Will seating numbers be limited and separated? If food is served, how will cleanliness of preparation and serving surfaces be maintained? So many questions but I guess plenty of bar owners are making plans.
 
At a purely selfish personal level, I'm missing not being able to go to a pub. I don't drink at home unless we have visitors, which obviously is not happening at the moment. Consequently, I've just reached the '50 days without a drink' milestone. I'm yearning for the Greyhound on Upgate in Louth to re-open. Latest government guidelines suggest some pubs and restauarants might be allowed to open in early July.

Which made me think - how the hell will that happen assuming social distancing is still required? Will numbers inside a pub be restricted? Will there be one entry / exit point manned by security? Even with reduced numbers, how will people be distanced at bars? Will people be allowed to congregate at the bar once served? Will seating numbers be limited and separated? If food is served, how will cleanliness of preparation and serving surfaces be maintained? So many questions but I guess plenty of bar owners are making plans.
Limited to seating only and an at table service...make it feel like we've never left Europe ? :ROFLMAO:
 
Also on the plus side, travel and subsistence costs for private and public sector have dropped off a cliff. Maybe this will be a driver to change the way we work for good . ..
That made me shudder. My work as a bank's location planner took me to branches all around the UK. I could spend half my life travelling around the country and loved it! Nowadays, most of that work could be done online, using video links instead of face to face meetings and Google earth instead of 'on the ground' analysis. Thank goodness technology was rudimentary 20 years ago.
 
There are some places where a 2 metre social distancing rule is as near as dammit impossible. Gigs, sporting events, restaurants and pubs spring to mind. But then apparently it isn't needed for the young children that will be going back to school (or the teachers and teaching assistants etc), because there is absolutely no way they will all stay that distance apart.
So schools will open but the others won't. It doesn't seem hugely logical to me.
 
In WA, pubs can open next week but only as if they act like restaurants: seated, drinks with meal only, 20 max or 1 person per 4m^2 whichever is the smaller.
The premier pointed out that the meal stipulation makes economic sense - if you can only have 20 punters then they better be buying a meal ...
 
There are some places where a 2 metre social distancing rule is as near as dammit impossible. Gigs, sporting events, restaurants and pubs spring to mind. But then apparently it isn't needed for the young children that will be going back to school (or the teachers and teaching assistants etc), because there is absolutely no way they will all stay that distance apart.
So schools will open but the others won't. It doesn't seem hugely logical to me.
If illness and contagion between children looked like even a fairly small problem they wouldn’t be relaxing that - you can bet that the kids with immune issues, CF etc will not be going anywhere near a school for a long while.
 
In WA, pubs can open next week but only as if they act like restaurants: seated, drinks with meal only, 20 max or 1 person per 4m^2 whichever is the smaller.
The premier pointed out that the meal stipulation makes economic sense - if you can only have 20 punters then they better be buying a meal ...
Even that though - you've got people cooking the food, pouring the drinks, bringing the food the the table, the table and chairs themselves, the toilets, the door handles, cutlery, condiments. Keeping all that virus free while maintaining social distancing seems like a massive ask.
 
Even that though - you've got people cooking the food, pouring the drinks, bringing the food the the table, the table and chairs themselves, the toilets, the door handles, cutlery, condiments. Keeping all that virus free while maintaining social distancing seems like a massive ask.
Meal = bag of crisps and some salted peanuts.
 
There are some places where a 2 metre social distancing rule is as near as dammit impossible. Gigs, sporting events, restaurants and pubs spring to mind. But then apparently it isn't needed for the young children that will be going back to school (or the teachers and teaching assistants etc), because there is absolutely no way they will all stay that distance apart.
So schools will open but the others won't. It doesn't seem hugely logical to me.
Indeed. Effectively, parents of young children will have to accept there will be an infection risk on the return to school. Unless there is one teacher / assistant per child distancing will be a pipe dream. Might schools even ask parents to sign a disclaimer if they agree to their children returning?
 
If illness and contagion between children looked like even a fairly small problem they wouldn’t be relaxing that - you can bet that the kids with immune issues, CF etc will not be going anywhere near a school for a long while.
I don't think that young children have been shown to not be able to carry the disease and thus be infections have they? (Please correct me if I am wrong)
The kids might not be at a huge risk (although even a small risk is fairly alarming) but they will potentially take it back into the family home. The parents will of course be encouraged to go back to work, thus potentially spreading it further.
Eventually of course (a cure/vaccine notwithstanding) we are going to have to take those chances I suppose.
 
Re Schools....Any reason remote classrooms cannot be set up with the technology available? Teacher Login and each individual Pupil Login then work done via keyboard/Pad

They work online now so can't see why above cannot be implemented with the Teacher present Online
 
So the pupils are in the school but the teachers aren't? Sounds like a recipe for chaos!

I suspect there would be legal problems with not having staff there, plus it wouldn't be at all practical for younger age groups. And surely you'd need *some* adults there to look after the IT, enforce at least basic discipline, be available for medical needs etc etc.
 
So the pupils are in the school but the teachers aren't? Sounds like a recipe for chaos!

I suspect there would be legal problems with not having staff there, plus it wouldn't be at all practical for younger age groups. And surely you'd need *some* adults there to look after the IT, enforce at least basic discipline, be available for medical needs etc etc.

I think he meant everyone at home!
 
As long as the NHS allows the almost parochial use of funds on a cascading format then it will remain disjointed.

M'mm if Rishi Sunak can figure out how to get socialist levels of funding for industry I'm sure he can devise an organisational approach that can co-ordinate spending across social care, home care, old folks' homes and the NHS so it can be operated to benefit all British people.

After all, we're all in this together you know :)
 
I think he meant everyone at home!
Much like is being done now but on a more permanent basis? That would mean providing suitable kit for everyone at home, and what about the kids whose parents who are now being encouraged to go out to work? There have already been stories about families where the only 'device' they have is a mobile phone and three kids are using it in turns to try and do the school work that has been assigned to them.
 
That made me shudder. My work as a bank's location planner took me to branches all around the UK. I could spend half my life travelling around the country and loved it! Nowadays, most of that work could be done online, using video links instead of face to face meetings and Google earth instead of 'on the ground' analysis. Thank goodness technology was rudimentary 20 years ago.
I know...people are going to have to actually LIKE the people they have chosen (or been forced) to live with....makes the blood run cold :ROFLMAO:

On the schools issue, kids might not be a high risk in terms of mortality but the grubby little buggers certainly are when it comes to infection control! Social distancing will be extremely difficult to enforce, as will proper hygeine (we've all seen little Johnny wiping his snot half way up his sleeve whilst eating his sandwich after after scratching his a**e). This is one reason why only reception, year 1 and year 6 are being lined up to go back from June is that they can split the classes, use the extra free space and employ the teachers that would normally teach yrs 2-5 to teach them. Not sustainable in the long run and certainly to the detriment of those other children who are still (to a greater or lesser extent) doing school work from home, which is still being set by their teachers.

Secondary will not go back until September I would think and even then it may well be a staggered approach and a medium term solution may be that kids are not in school every single day of the week. Odd year numbers on Mon, half of Weds and Friday and evens on Tues, the other half of Weds and Friday....who knows?

Of course, for some of those who are privately educated and money/resources isn't an issue, they are just being taught remotely via video link and doing fairly "normal" 9ish - 4ish school days.
 
The real question is... What do we do if a working vaccination is not found?

How long do we stay "locked down"for?
 
Much like is being done now but on a more permanent basis? That would mean providing suitable kit for everyone at home, and what about the kids whose parents who are now being encouraged to go out to work? There have already been stories about families where the only 'device' they have is a mobile phone and three kids are using it in turns to try and do the school work that has been assigned to them.

Oh I agree.

Corbyn's plans for broadband would've been useful mind.
 
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