International News 50 years ago....

[Sarge]

conspiracy theories (did they/ didnt they land/ walk on the moon?) aside, 50 years ago this week.... 'actual ' moon landing date 20 July '69, 'actual' moon walk by Armstrong & Aldrin 21 July '69

meanwhile back on terra firma, here in the UK, including Oxford, 1969 was the year British skinheads raised their cropped hair heads into the nation's consciousness as the latest youth sub culture ..... topical music of the time included this boss sound tune ....

 

[Sarge]

^ which gave birth to this timeless classic boss sound.....

 

[Sarge]

over in Italy, then young engineering designer Bertone was responsible for the Luna line Lambretta models ( inspired by the USA Apollo moon expedition).....




Bertone also designed arguably the finest Lambretta scooter ever, the Grand Prix ... available as a 125, 150 and the flagship 200 model... launched in 1969 ....

 

[Sarge]

Godfather of Jamaican ska music Laurel Aitken acknowledged the British skinhead youth subculture that spread nationally in 1969 , ( as did mods in '64), too...

 

[Sarge]

influences drawn from the spirit of '69 spread worldwide over the decades .... in 2010 King Hammond released this boss sounds inspired track , with rare archive footage of original skinheads from '69 & '70 in the accompanying video- including skinheads on the terraces at football ....

 

[Sarge]

Last trip down memory lane for me (probably) to my teenage years, Desmond Dekker and the Aces , the first live band I ever saw (Oxford town hall) had a hit single with this classic .....

 

[pooshooter]

Suppose its plausible man could travel to the moon, but how the hell did they get back. There was no powerful rockets to propel the capsule back from the surface of the moon was there?

 

[Marked Ox]

Suppose its plausible man could travel to the moon, but how the hell did they get back. There was no powerful rockets to propel the capsule back from the surface of the moon was there?

Exactly how did man return from the moon?

Answer (1 of 2): They landed in a two stage craft. The bottom or Descent Stage was used to power the Lunar Module (LM)to the surface. The crew cabin was in the Ascent Stage. Once the lander was the surface, the crew used a ladder on the Descent Stage to climb from the Ascent stage to the surfac...

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This includes a link to the NASA flight plan.

 

[Marked Ox]

Suppose its plausible man could travel to the moon, but how the hell did they get back. There was no powerful rockets to propel the capsule back from the surface of the moon was there?

Exactly how did man return from the moon?

Answer (1 of 2): They landed in a two stage craft. The bottom or Descent Stage was used to power the Lunar Module (LM)to the surface. The crew cabin was in the Ascent Stage. Once the lander was the surface, the crew used a ladder on the Descent Stage to climb from the Ascent stage to the surfac...

www.quora.com

This includes a link to the NASA flight plan.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Suppose its plausible man could travel to the moon, but how the hell did they get back. There was no powerful rockets to propel the capsule back from the surface of the moon was there?

What, to escape the huge gravity of the moon? And the thing that flew back wasn't just the landing module!

 

[LeftSideBoy]

Show me the telemetry data (which has magically been lost - ya know, the most important journey made my man in history just vanishes) and then ill entertain the idea that it happened. Until then, it was a stage managed event put on by Stanley Kubric and the CIA to win the space race against the soviets. Stanley confessed to this in his dying days...

Also, people seem to forget about the Van Allen radiation belt. No way with their technology at the time they could have travelled through that, safely.

Secondly, the famous photo of the lander coming down on the moon - given the fact the astronauts were inside of the capsule, who took that then? So many issues with the official story.

Here is an exert from Bill Clintons autobiography. This to me is pretty telling, considering his status and government involvment:

"Just a month before, Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague, Michael Collins, aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the moon...The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened. I said sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed; he said that he didn't believe it for a minute, that 'them television fellers' could make things look real that weren't. Back then, I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time."

Food for thought...

 

[Marked Ox]

Here's why some think the Apollo 11 moon landing was fake

Despite being heralded as one of the greatest human achievements ever, just half a century later 1 in 10 Americans still claim the 1969 moon landing was faked.

www.standard.co.uk

Moon landing conspiracy theories aren't true - here's how we know

Fifty years after the first Moon landing, some people still don't believe that it actually happened. Here's how we know that it did.

www.bbc.co.uk

Conspiracy theories debunked. If it was a US Govt trick, I'm impressed that the 400,000 people involved managed to keep quiet about it.

 

[LeftSideBoy]

Here's why some think the Apollo 11 moon landing was fake

Despite being heralded as one of the greatest human achievements ever, just half a century later 1 in 10 Americans still claim the 1969 moon landing was faked.

www.standard.co.uk

Moon landing conspiracy theories aren't true - here's how we know

Fifty years after the first Moon landing, some people still don't believe that it actually happened. Here's how we know that it did.

www.bbc.co.uk

Conspiracy theories debunked. If it was a US Govt trick, I'm impressed that the 400,000 people involved managed to keep quiet about it.

Its called compartmentalisation; as with anything to do with government activity. Are you saying 9/11 was as told because the government would have had to have fooled 1000's on that day and in the months leading up to it? Rubbish. That BBC article is shocking and ties in nicely with their information bias. You honestly think the BBC would come out and say it was a hoax when they benefit financially from peddling stories and shows about it? Absolutely not.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Anything else? Sounds like you don't 'believe' in the moon landings and 'think' that 9/11 was some sort of conspiracy as well. Is the earth flat? Did dinosaurs exist? Are aliens real? Is the queen a reptile from Venus? I think we ought to know...

 

[LeftSideBoy]

Anything else? Sounds like you don't 'believe' in the moon landings and 'think' that 9/11 was some sort of conspiracy as well. Is the earth flat? Did dinosaurs exist? Are aliens real? Is the queen a reptile from Venus? I think we ought to know...

If you are telling me that 9/11 is as told by the US government then I'm sorry, I shall leave this here and revert to footballing matters because you obviously haven't done any critical research into the topic. Regarding alien life, of course it exists. Anyone with an ounce of scientific understanding will achknowledge that the universe is too vast for humans to be the only advannced civilization in the universe. To believe we are as good as it gets is borderline arrogance.

 

[Sandy]

If you are telling me that 9/11 is as told by the US government then I'm sorry, I shall leave this here and revert to footballing matters because you obviously haven't done any critical research into the topic. Regarding alien life, of course it exists. Anyone with an ounce of scientific understanding will achknowledge that the universe is too vast for humans to be the only advannced civilization in the universe. To believe we are as good as it gets is borderline arrogance.

One of the astronauts also reported alien activity and filmed it. That got mysteriously lost also.

 

[Sandy]

If you are telling me that 9/11 is as told by the US government then I'm sorry, I shall leave this here and revert to footballing matters because you obviously haven't done any critical research into the topic. Regarding alien life, of course it exists. Anyone with an ounce of scientific understanding will achknowledge that the universe is too vast for humans to be the only advannced civilization in the universe. To believe we are as good as it gets is borderline arrogance.

One of the astronauts also reported alien activity and filmed it. That got mysteriously lost also.

 

[Sandy]

If you are telling me that 9/11 is as told by the US government then I'm sorry, I shall leave this here and revert to footballing matters because you obviously haven't done any critical research into the topic. Regarding alien life, of course it exists. Anyone with an ounce of scientific understanding will achknowledge that the universe is too vast for humans to be the only advannced civilization in the universe. To believe we are as good as it gets is borderline arrogance.

One of the astronauts also reported alien activity and filmed it. That got mysteriously lost also.

 

[Sandy]

If you are telling me that 9/11 is as told by the US government then I'm sorry, I shall leave this here and revert to footballing matters because you obviously haven't done any critical research into the topic. Regarding alien life, of course it exists. Anyone with an ounce of scientific understanding will achknowledge that the universe is too vast for humans to be the only advannced civilization in the universe. To believe we are as good as it gets is borderline arrogance.

One of the astronauts also reported alien activity and filmed it. That got mysteriously lost also.

 

[Sandy]

If you are telling me that 9/11 is as told by the US government then I'm sorry, I shall leave this here and revert to footballing matters because you obviously haven't done any critical research into the topic. Regarding alien life, of course it exists. Anyone with an ounce of scientific understanding will achknowledge that the universe is too vast for humans to be the only advannced civilization in the universe. To believe we are as good as it gets is borderline arrogance.

One of the astronauts also reported alien activity and filmed it. That got mysteriously lost also.

 

[LeftSideBoy]

Please tell me that these men look like they have just been to the moon. Their body language is all wrong and you can clearly see Neil signal to Buzz to stop talking, at one point. It all feels so wrong, considering what they have supposedly just achieved.

2 very guilty looking men, indeed.

 

[Sarge]

'alien' activity on the moon in 1969? .... lost? .... how about the image on the back of Symarip's skinhead moonstomp album?

 

[LeftSideBoy]

'alien' activity on the moon in 1969? .... lost? .... how about the image on the back of Symarip's skinhead moonstomp album?


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Okay I take it all back. Case closed ?

 

[ZeroTheHero]

If you are telling me that 9/11 is as told by the US government then I'm sorry, I shall leave this here and revert to footballing matters because you obviously haven't done any critical research into the topic. Regarding alien life, of course it exists. Anyone with an ounce of scientific understanding will achknowledge that the universe is too vast for humans to be the only advannced civilization in the universe. To believe we are as good as it gets is borderline arrogance.

And yet you believe that the moon landings were faked? I suggest that your 'crititical research' is critically flawed and not very critical of some of your sources. I agree there are aliens out there somewhere - but not here, not in the US boondocks and not in Area 51!
If you read the loopier outposts of the internet, you will find websites that support almost ANY conspiracy theory. As ever, the internet can be an echo chamber and it's quite easy to keep reading the same rubbish no matter how many times it has been debunked. Marked Ox's post above refutes most of the moon landing stuff.

 

[LeftSideBoy]

"Id go to the moon in a nanosecond but we dont have the technology to do that anymore. We destroyed that technology"

Okay mate, thats a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Total and utter b*****s.

 

[LeftSideBoy]

And yet you believe that the moon landings were faked? I suggest that your 'crititical research' is critically flawed and not very critical of some of your sources. I agree there are aliens out there somewhere - but not here, not in the US boondocks and not in Area 51!
If you read the loopier outposts of the internet, you will find websites that support almost ANY conspiracy theory. As ever, the internet can be an echo chamber and it's quite easy to keep reading the same rubbish no matter how many times it has been debunked. Marked Ox's post above refutes most of the moon landing stuff.

Books. I read books. I know thats crazy in 2019 but its possible. Can we not believe those either as they too are written and published by man, in the same way Youtube and internet articles are? I guess based on that, we cant really trust anything.

 

[Marked Ox]

Here's why some think the Apollo 11 moon landing was fake

Despite being heralded as one of the greatest human achievements ever, just half a century later 1 in 10 Americans still claim the 1969 moon landing was faked.

www.standard.co.uk

Moon landing conspiracy theories aren't true - here's how we know

Fifty years after the first Moon landing, some people still don't believe that it actually happened. Here's how we know that it did.

www.bbc.co.uk

Conspiracy theories debunked. If it was a US Govt trick, I'm impressed that the 400,000 people involved managed to keep st

Its called compartmentalisation; as with anything to do with government activity. Are you saying 9/11 was as told because the government would have had to have fooled 1000's on that day and in the months leading up to it? Rubbish. That BBC article is shocking and ties in nicely with their information bias. You honestly think the BBC would come out and say it was a hoax when they benefit financially from peddling stories and shows about it? Absolutely not.

The conspiracy theorists' claims have been debunked countless times by people who actually know what they are talking about, experts in the various fields covered by the claims including through experiments. Even Mythbusters on the Discovery Channel absolutely hammered the conspiracy theory claims. The BBC article is built off these experts work who have utterly debunked the claims, so it is isn't shocking at all, just that it doesn't fit your narrative. Talk me through how the BBC gains financial for maintaining that the Moon landings happened?

Talk me through how lasers can be bounced off the moon (from the reflectors they left on the moon) if they never went to the Moon?

Compartmentalisation that hides all of this from 400,000 people, fantastic especially when documents between an Ambassador and his Govt get leaked when seen by a tiny number of people. Even with D-Day people knew they were going to invade, just not when or exactly where. I guess the Soviet Union were also in on the conspiracy as they never disputed the US landed on the moon.

 

[Marked Ox]

Here's why some think the Apollo 11 moon landing was fake

Despite being heralded as one of the greatest human achievements ever, just half a century later 1 in 10 Americans still claim the 1969 moon landing was faked.

www.standard.co.uk

Moon landing conspiracy theories aren't true - here's how we know

Fifty years after the first Moon landing, some people still don't believe that it actually happened. Here's how we know that it did.

www.bbc.co.uk

Conspiracy theories debunked. If it was a US Govt trick, I'm impressed that the 400,000 people involved managed to keep st

Its called compartmentalisation; as with anything to do with government activity. Are you saying 9/11 was as told because the government would have had to have fooled 1000's on that day and in the months leading up to it? Rubbish. That BBC article is shocking and ties in nicely with their information bias. You honestly think the BBC would come out and say it was a hoax when they benefit financially from peddling stories and shows about it? Absolutely not.

The conspiracy theorists' claims have been debunked countless times by people who actually know what they are talking about, experts in the various fields covered by the claims including through experiments. Even Mythbusters on the Discovery Channel absolutely hammered the conspiracy theory claims. The BBC article is built off these experts work who have utterly debunked the claims, so it is isn't shocking at all, just that it doesn't fit your narrative. Talk me through how the BBC gains financial for maintaining that the Moon landings happened?

Talk me through how lasers can be bounced off the moon (from the reflectors they left on the moon) if they never went to the Moon?

Compartmentalisation that hides all of this from 400,000 people, fantastic especially when documents between an Ambassador and his Govt get leaked when seen by a tiny number of people. Even with D-Day people knew they were going to invade, just not when or exactly where. I guess the Soviet Union were also in on the conspiracy as they never disputed the US landed on the moon.

 

[Gary Baldi]

I do have a good laugh at moon landing conspiracy theorists.

Not as nuts as the flat earthers or the people who think dinosaurs didn't exist and the bones were placed in the ground as fakes by aliens/gods/etc though

 

[bazzer9461]

And another great regarding the Skinhead culturehttps://youtu.be/hmsiyhOfXLw