werthersoriginal
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I should say that I’m comfy working from home on full salary and quite relaxed about money etc. I appreciate not everyone is so fortunate and that this will mean a lot to them.
There are an estimated 250000 in the UK with ME/CFS, a condition which usually follows a viral infection, can last years and often begins in adolesence. The prevalence and severity has been hidden away for years. Similarities with long Covid are evident and being examined in current research.Well. We didn’t have a years lockdown for flu, did we? And how many youngish people are there with ‘long flu’? And have more than a million people died of flu recently? Have you Tories not been watching the news for the last year??
My wife’s friend, not old, has got Covid despite being double jabbed. You’re complacent. But I hope your approach proves right.
I should say that I’m comfy working from home on full salary and quite relaxed about money etc. I appreciate not everyone is so fortunate and that this will mean a lot to them.
Respect your view and think the idea of a small area set aside for like minded fans is good BUT jumping ship for oxford city,come onWell the let’s all get back to normal approach may will suit some people, I have given great thought to the whole thing,and come to the conclusion that a crowded stand is not for me , I asked the question to the club if a small area could be put aside based on social distancing which made attending the game less of a risk, no positive response so I am not renewing. Perhaps watching Oxford city is a option
Er yes! The Spanish flu was quite serious! But doesn’t happen every year, thankfully.
Sit at the fence end in the SSL. Won't be anybody near you. Problem solved and you don't have to start watching an entirely different team.Well the let’s all get back to normal approach may will suit some people, I have given great thought to the whole thing,and come to the conclusion that a crowded stand is not for me , I asked the question to the club if a small area could be put aside based on social distancing which made attending the game less of a risk, no positive response so I am not renewing. Perhaps watching Oxford city is a option
The World Health Organization estimates that worldwide, annual influenza epidemics result in about 3-5 million cases of severe illness and about 250,000 to 500,000 deaths.
Which is because we have had an annual flu vaccination program for years.Which is significantly less than a 18 months of COVID tbf.
I presume there is a lower threshold of deaths which those who want continued restrictions would find acceptable.Which is significantly less than a 18 months of COVID tbf.
I presume there is a lower threshold of deaths which those who want continued restrictions would find acceptable.
It would be interesting to know what the lower threshold is for these people, before we can open up. Does it have to be 10 deaths per day? 8? 3? 0?
We're now living in a time where flu and pneumonia is killing more people in the UK than Covid.
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If we need to keep masks and social distancing now, then how do you reconcile that argument with a never-ending supply of influenza deaths? And why do we not just keep the restrictions forever as a result?
Which is because we have had an annual flu vaccination program for years.
Covid is new and the vaccination took a year to develop, but it is now being rolled out with extreme efficiency.
So we now move into the next phase, which is getting our lives back to normal and learning to live with it, just like we live with the flu.
If we were in the midst of Spanish flu would you be saying, It’s just flu?!Did you struggle with the part that said "Three flu pandemics"? Its why there is a regular jab, same as there will be for Covid.
Well saidYeah, I don't disagree with your position on this at all. I think it's time to scale restrictions right back and open things up.
I just wanted to point out that COVID has been a serious thing and I don't think retrospective trivialisation is helpful. I'm not in any way accusing you of doing this.
I'll try to do as @Scotchegg says and be compassionate to those who stil have anxieties and concerns, and if some places still want me to wear a mask I will, it's really not that great a hardship for me.
It's not just flu, you're right. But it's killing fewer people in this country than flu. So it's statistically less dangerous than flu (in the UK) right now.Covid is not just flu. Not when I have had 2 colleagues, healthy males, 27 and 31 with no underlying health conditions die from it in the last 2 weeks.
Have you Lefties not been reading about flu?
"Three influenza pandemics occurred at intervals of several decades during the 20th century, the most severe of which was the so-called "Spanish Flu" (caused by an A(H1N1) virus), estimated to have caused 20–50 million deaths in 1918–1919. Milder pandemics occurred subsequently in 1957–1958 (the "Asian Flu" caused by an A(H2N2) virus) and in 1968 (the "Hong Kong Flu" caused by an A(H3N2) virus), which were estimated to have caused 1–4 million deaths each."
Past pandemics
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2009 bird flu was H1N1 - descendent of the spanish flu. As EY points out we get flu jabs every year because these things don't simply go away. Better personal hygiene and vaccines will allow us to get back to normal, but you only have to look at the annual flu death toll to have an idea what "normal" entails.Er yes! The Spanish flu was quite serious! But doesn’t happen every year, thankfully.