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Yeah, agree. On the plus side we are now better placed to execute the low block counterattacking style more effectively. McDonnel, Konak, MPH and Mikoso all add mobility and dynamism with Donley a potential major upgrade on set pieces and as a competent #10. There were moments yesterday where we came close to coherence on the counter for the first time in months (rather than just relying on speculative Hollywood balls wide) but didn't quite click positionally. If we are to make the great escape I think it'll be off the back of this conservative style with minimal tinkering so the players can get into a rhythm. Still a long shot but there are some key games still to come and, as we saw yesterday, other teams in a right old mess.The problem is that I don't think this style of play is sustainable in terms of getting the points we need - even until the end of the season. It just puts too much pressure on our defence for too long. Sometimes it will work and we will get a point or three, but more often we will lose.
But - that may well be the best we can hope for. Being more attacking might well be worse and make us even more vulnerable. We have all seen how we cannot cope against any kind of pace when we are up the pitch.
If we were actually down, I would say 'FK IT' - just try to play on the front foot, set up something for next season. It wouldn't really matter. And actually probably the same if we had enough points to stay up! But as it is, we are *likely* to go down. I don't like the style of football and don't *think* it will help us escape. But given that two separate professional managers now seem to have come to the conclusion that this is the best chance we've got - surely we have to stick with it for now?
I’m sure they were told about the rules for match day and other training days
Two home games in four days. The pitch was in a poor state yesterday. Had we had rain near kick off it would have cut up badly. Whatever has been spent on the playing surface has not been the complete answer...........This time last year it was in much better nick.The biggest positive for me (other than the win) yesterday was the state of West Brom.
Last season we struggled at times, but there was always hope because Cardiff, Plymouth and Luton were all dreadful (so were a couple of others like Derby and Hull); it was not unreasonable to think that we were better than them.
But this season, other than Wednesday, there haven't been too many opponents that I've watched and thought 'Yeah - we're better than this lot, and we'll finish ahead of them over the course of a season'. Even Leicester.....though they were a bit of a shower.....clearly have bags of talent. The equalizer they scored at the Kasstad was absolute quality.
But step up WBA - they were awful. We granted them bags of possession, but they seemed to have no clue what to do with it. Careless passing, woeful final ball and poor set piece defending. Plus, their next five games? Not friendly......three home games against playoff-chasing sides and tricky tips to Bristol City and Sheffield United (who would be a playoff-chasing side if they'd just kept Wilder). There is a massive chance now to be ahead of them by the end of the month.
BIG two weeks......I kind of view Preston as a 'nice-to-have' result, but the week after will be season-defining. Two home games in four days against Blackburn and Charlton (two of the other sides that might be on the 'worse than us' list). 6+ points from those three games - which is not an outrageous ask - and I think we'll stay up.
Looks more like league one pitch nowTwo home games in four days. The pitch was in a poor state yesterday. Had we had rain near kick off it would have cut up badly. Whatever has been spent on the playing surface has not been the complete answer...........This time last year it was in much better nick.
They were flooding it with water before kick off and we get about 20% of the ball so I think it’s probably deliberate.Two home games in four days. The pitch was in a poor state yesterday. Had we had rain near kick off it would have cut up badly. Whatever has been spent on the playing surface has not been the complete answer...........This time last year it was in much better nick.
I know we won and I’m over the moon but I’ve got to say Jamie Cummings kicking is atrocious.
Agree. While I can understand the game plan involved a low block, I just don't believe the game plan involved us playing like that. I really think the MB surely expected more from us in terms of counter attacking. It's not sustainable for us to sit back like that with no threat at all.The problem is that I don't think this style of play is sustainable in terms of getting the points we need - even until the end of the season. It just puts too much pressure on our defence for too long. Sometimes it will work and we will get a point or three, but more often we will lose.
But - that may well be the best we can hope for. Being more attacking might well be worse and make us even more vulnerable. We have all seen how we cannot cope against any kind of pace when we are up the pitch.
If we were actually down, I would say 'FK IT' - just try to play on the front foot, set up something for next season. It wouldn't really matter. And actually probably the same if we had enough points to stay up! But as it is, we are *likely* to go down. I don't like the style of football and don't *think* it will help us escape. But given that two separate professional managers now seem to have come to the conclusion that this is the best chance we've got - surely we have to stick with it for now?
Been saying this for ages, always stick say Stan Miles up on the half way line, then they have to mark him and the ball won’t get knocked back in as usual.Agree. While I can understand the game plan involved a low block, I just don't believe the game plan involved us playing like that. I really think the MB surely expected more from us in terms of counter attacking. It's not sustainable for us to sit back like that with no threat at all.
On another note, I hate this putting everyone back for a corner which was the same under Rowett. Just means they have more bodies in the box. If we leave someone up, then they put two or three of their players back.
Agreed. I think we also need to leave another one or two back (preferably someone who has some sort of speed!) when *we* have a corner. At the moment we are as likely to concede on a breakaway as we are to score ourselves.On another note, I hate this putting everyone back for a corner which was the same under Rowett. Just means they have more bodies in the box. If we leave someone up, then they put two or three of their players back.
It didn't even look that good.Looks more like league one pitch now
Players will generally get a bonus based on appearances. Why should a player receive a bonus for starting when they can't turn up on time yet every other player can?No issue with player discipline. Attitude and discipline is vital to forming a cohesive squad of players all working together for the cause.
Personally though, I would run a 1 strike warning system… so he’s late, he gets a rollocking and a reminder of his responsibilities but the starting team remains as planned for during the week of training. But, next time you’re dropped regardless.
What happens if half the starting 11 get caught out with an unforeseen traffic situation and arrive late?
But if you set out your stall , you have to follow it through.
I don’t know, maybe he had a previous warning and this was the final strike .![]()
Good post which sums up my general thoughts well.The problem is that I don't think this style of play is sustainable in terms of getting the points we need - even until the end of the season. It just puts too much pressure on our defence for too long. Sometimes it will work and we will get a point or three, but more often we will lose.
But - that may well be the best we can hope for. Being more attacking might well be worse and make us even more vulnerable. We have all seen how we cannot cope against any kind of pace when we are up the pitch.
If we were actually down, I would say 'FK IT' - just try to play on the front foot, set up something for next season. It wouldn't really matter. And actually probably the same if we had enough points to stay up! But as it is, we are *likely* to go down. I don't like the style of football and don't *think* it will help us escape. But given that two separate professional managers now seem to have come to the conclusion that this is the best chance we've got - surely we have to stick with it for now?
A point at Preston would be good, Leicester and West Brom have very difficult away games up next. Then as you say, we have Blackburn and Charlton at home. Win these next home games and we will probably be above Leicester and West Brom.What we have to remember on here is that this team suddenly has not become good.
Look at the comments on Wednesday after Stoke, players were getting critiqued left right and centre but now they are getting praise.
As @Thomas/Brock/Jones has pointed out these are the same players that have got us where we are. In some games in patches we have looked decent going forward but it is the inconsistency that will be our undoing.
I haven’t changed my mind since the Norwich game when I thought the game was up. Since then a couple of decent draws away but followed up by a dire performance v Stoke.
What we need is at least a point at Preston who aren’t that good, then we have to win our next home games against Blackburn and Charlton.
Even I might start to believe the great escape is possible if that happens
I understand the need for rules and the need to implement them but he should keep that in house even if it means a white lie. I bet he wouldn't have put it on record if we'd lost yesterday. And what would he have done if say three players were car sharing and were two minutes late? Now if Makosso makes an error or has a poor performance he'll be called out by some on here as having a bad attitude, not committed etc etc although he looked well pleased/invested in the post match celebrations.While I don't agree with Bloomfield's treatment of BDK in mid week, he got this one spot on.
Players will generally get a bonus based on appearances. Why should a player receive a bonus for starting when they can't turn up on time yet every other player can?
While I don't agree with Bloomfield's treatment of BDK in mid week, he got this one spot on.
My only gripe with yesterday is that I think we played a lot deeper than we needed to. Other fans are suggesting that we played deep as West Brom had a lot more possession but, in my opinion, they had a lot more possession because we played so deep
I think we have seen in the last week that Bloomfield is more than happy to air things publicly that probably should be kept in house.I understand the need for rules and the need to implement them but he should keep that in house even if it means a white lie. I bet he wouldn't have put it on record if we'd lost yesterday. And what would he have done if say three players were car sharing and were two minutes late? Now if Makosso makes an error or has a poor performance he'll be called out by some on here as having a bad attitude, not committed etc etc although he looked well pleased/invested in the post match celebrations.
I was at Droylsden and it was miserable. I had managed to delete that from my memory until now. Where did I put my pills!Ah Droylsden - Did you have to mention that team, it gives me nightmares! ......however it is very apt to bring that team up at the moment, just to bring one or two moaners down to earth. Especially those people younger than 25 that have only experienced promotions.
19 years ago we lost 3-1 at Droylsden and it was live on Setanta Sports, for the whole nation to experience our embarrassment.
We have come a long way in 19 years, some people need to appreciate that, and there are ups and downs in supporting football teams.
That’s the approach that Wolves seem to have taken, but I guess the difference is that they’ve already accepted that they’re down e.g. they’re now going for it, and they look so much better with fans/commentators saying why didn’t they play like this before as things could have been so much better!!The problem is that I don't think this style of play is sustainable in terms of getting the points we need - even until the end of the season. It just puts too much pressure on our defence for too long. Sometimes it will work and we will get a point or three, but more often we will lose.
But - that may well be the best we can hope for. Being more attacking might well be worse and make us even more vulnerable. We have all seen how we cannot cope against any kind of pace when we are up the pitch.
If we were actually down, I would say 'FK IT' - just try to play on the front foot, set up something for next season. It wouldn't really matter. And actually probably the same if we had enough points to stay up! But as it is, we are *likely* to go down. I don't like the style of football and don't *think* it will help us escape. But given that two separate professional managers now seem to have come to the conclusion that this is the best chance we've got - surely we have to stick with it for now?
And better MUCH BETTER distribution from Jamie Cumming would help, no doubt.Konak and Donley added an extra strength. Good link ups between Lankshear, Donley & Mills. Need much better distribution forwards though from the midfield & wing backs
I agree Bazza, but we don’t know if he did call, but like I said, I just hope logic and reason was taken into consideration.Tiles are rules though, if he was late because of an unexpected traffic accident I’m sure he has hands free mobile on the car and would have called ahead where MB might say thanks for letting us know, but to me he was late by 2 mins that must have been a bad accident as I’m sure he must have left it late to leave from wherever he is residing .
I’ll give you an example of what my wife and I do, we’re going on holiday abroad no matter what time the flight is we’re there around 6 hours before the reason how many times have you seen on the tv programmes people missing their flight because they closed check in, I would rather be early relax have something to eat and go through to departure as soon as I can. Long winded I know and not remotely the same but make an effort to make sure you’ll be there ready!
I am too - but much as I am completely sure I would make an absolutely top notch football manager, I just feel that if two actual managers have adopted virtually identical tactics they might have identified a flaw in that approach...I guess I’m a ‘attack is the best form of defence’ sort of fan, especially when I feel teams are there for the taking which I felt WBA were.
But they both could be wrong based upon our current positionI am too - but much as I am completely sure I would make an absolutely top notch football manager, I just feel that if two actual managers have adopted virtually identical tactics they might have identified a flaw in that approach...![]()