Transfer Window 26/27 Summer Embargo Window

[SteMerritt]

 

[Jon-ioualways]

No!
All lightweights, the lot of them.
It’s down to the Continental mentality…. Never overdo things, take a nice long lunch, if things get tough, just smile, shrug your shoulders and take it easy.

But the poor man couldn't shrug his shoulders.

So he just took a nice long lunch instead.

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

Just to play devils advocate here, because I have time.

I wonder if after our relegation Preston and BCFC were allowed to talk to Mills and BDK perhaps a deal was struck with Mills and something close with BDK.
Then the embargo hits and we as a club backtrack, either we want to keep them or want more to remove the embargo.

This is where things get messy, was anything promised, perhaps we will never know but if it was ,you can understand why those two players are going to be pissed off.

Rather than accept it,both Mills and BDK have made their feelings known to the club, they may not have gone about it in the right way ,in our eyes but do they have a point?

Should they be vilified the way they are?

If we were offered a promotion at work to move to another branch on twice the salary and we were promised it by the MD and we are just waiting to sign the paperwork then they say sorry it’s off. The job is still there but we have to remain in our old job and say nothing although we probably won’t give 100% or do we get HR involved and say that job is rightfully ours, put us on gardening leave until the management decides

 

[Toucan]

Still no thank you from everyone’s favourite Stanley Mills…

I think you will find he is not everyone's favourite.

 

[Jon-ioualways]

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What bdk said at the time

I'll just draw your attention to the following sentence: "I'll be doing everything I can off the pitch to help the boys everyday in the training centre." So I'm not sure how much trust to place in anything else he has to say. Particularly as he's now admitted that he's been planning his latest move for the past two months. [Edit] Although maybe he wasn't entirely speaking the truth about that!

 

[Billyox]

I'll just draw your attention to the following sentence: "I'll be doing everything I can off the pitch to help the boys everyday in the training centre." So I'm not sure how much trust to place in anything else he has to say. Particularly as he's now admitted that he's been planning his latest move for the past two months.

Sorry where has he admitted it not seen that

 

[holdsteady]

Sorry where has he admitted it not seen that

When he said he spoke to Bristol City a couple of months ago?

 

[Jim Chimcheroux]

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What bdk said at the time

Alternatively, he could have just taken a leaf out of the Bogdanovic book of fan interaction and “Let actions speak louder than words”
Oh! Hang on ……

 

[Billyox]

When he said he spoke to Bristol City a couple of months ago?

Where? As I said ive not seen it

 

[uptheus]

Ill explain again for the hard of hearing and kip

Yes, in theory Erick can inject enough qualifying equity to get us out of the embargo. Lovely. Problem solved. Pop the champagne.
Except it isn’t solved at all.
This season Oxford get the temporary 65% allowance because we’ve just come down from the Championship. If turnover is £10m, that gives us £6.5m of base SCMP room.
Next season, if we’re still in League One, that drops to the normal 50%.
Same £10m turnover suddenly gives you just £5m.
So if the wage/manager/agent cost base hasn’t come down and turnover hasn’t gone up, congratulations: you’ve spent millions in equity getting compliant this year only to discover the hole is even bigger next year.
If costs were around £9.5m, you’d be looking at roughly a £4.5m gap next season before player trading. At 50%, that could mean needing around £9m of fresh qualifying equity just to stand still.
And then what? Do it again the year after? And again after that?
At some point even the “just write another cheque” strategy meets basic arithmetic.
Owner equity can bridge a gap. It cannot magically make an unsustainable cost base sustainable.
The long-term answer is painfully boring because it’s also painfully obvious:
Increase turnover.
Reduce wages and other SCMP costs.
Everything else is buying time with somebody else’s cheque book.

But hopefully by a January/next season, the costs associated with with the stadium will more onto another spreadsheet, so would this have an impact between the 65% and 50% target?

 

[holdsteady]

Where? As I said ive not seen it

In his joining interview with Bristol City.

 

[Billyox]

But hopefully by a January/next season, the costs associated with with the stadium will more onto another spreadsheet, so would this have an impact between the 65% and 50% target?

Nothing to do with the stadium

 

[uptheus]

Great to have another body in but I'm always sceptical of academy loanees, especially ones for who it's their first loan like Luka.

Hope he proves me very wrong!

Well, you do wonder how different they can be to our academy players, apart from they are with a higher placed/ranked football club than ours, but that can change in terms of their overall ability!

 

[Billyox]

In his joining interview with Bristol City.

I will go view when I have 5 minutes thank you

 

[mase]

I will go view when I have 5 minutes thank you

De Keersmaecker is a Robin - Bristol City FC

City have signed Brian De Keersmaecker on a season-long loan from Oxford United, with an option to buy.

www.bcfc.co.uk

 

[tatabanya]

I will go view when I have 5 minutes thank you

 

[Jim Chimcheroux]

Nothing to do with the stadium

Although the 100% uplift could well do.

 

[uptheus]

Nothing to do with the stadium

I thought that current costs (architects, legal, planning fees etc) towards the stadium were part of the 65%, but if the oral hearing is positive news e.g. we get the green light, then those c costs can be moved to a separate spreadsheet/project?

If this isn’t the case, is the 65% target this season just purely down to players, managers and coaching staff wages, plus agent fees (not sure about these) ?

 

[Billyox]

I thought that current costs (architects, legal, planning fees etc) towards the stadium were part of the 65%, but if the oral hearing is positive news e.g. we get the green light, then those c costs can be moved to a separate spreadsheet/project?

If this isn’t the case, is the 65% target this season just purely down to players, managers and coaching staff wages, plus agent fees (not sure about these) ?

Architects, planning consultants, lawyers working on the stadium, planning fees and stadium construction costs do not get added to the SCMP cost figure.

SCMP is basically about players, the first team manager and agents. The stadium is a completely separate issue

 

[Topper Haines]

Nobody says he didn't discuss with the club. Ultimately it's his body and short earning career, he's not a slave

That's ok then. Just the kind of person I want alongside me in a team.
But of course he's not a slave, not sure why you would suggest that. He wanted out and didn't care how he acted to get his way. Why was Bloomfield so surprised?

 

[londonyellow]

In other news, I'm looking for a new baby sitter if anyone has any recommendations.

Are you happy to move to Bristol?

 

[ECYellow]

I don’t necessarily disagree with your sentiment but a profit on Joe Taylor at £3m is struggle with. He is at his level

I’m not sure you can surmise that he is at his level. Sure, he hasn’t had an impact in the Championship yet, after 20 games or so, but at 23 I think it’d be fair to say he has time on his side.

A goal ratio of 1 in every two and a half games over the last 3 years is in league 1 is a very handy return.

Anyway that is enough on Taylor, but it was just an example of the sort of business we should have been doing, rather than the likes of Prelec, Romeny and Bradshaw.

 

[werthersoriginal]

I’m not sure you can surmise that he is at his level. Sure, he hasn’t had an impact in the Championship yet, after 20 games or so, but at 23 I think it’d be fair to say he has time on his side.

A goal ratio of 1 in every two and a half games over the last 3 years is in league 1 is a very handy return.

Anyway that is enough on Taylor, but it was just an example of the sort of business we should have been doing, rather than the likes of Prelec, Romeny and Bradshaw.

I've seen him play against us three times (live or on TV) and he's looked really dangerous each time. Harris couldn't compare last night, O'Donkor looked like he would get to his level at some point.

 

[Ian]

Same with cyclists, Tyler Hamilton ground down eleven of his teeth to the root after crashing in Stage 1 of the 2002 Giro. He fractured his shoulder and head of the arm. Albeit on a lot of drugs, he raced a further 2,000+ miles over the next few weeks and finished second on GC. Talk about “flogging it”.

When K+Lance Armstrong did the drugs to cycle, he got banned!

 

[Eric Blair]

Architects, planning consultants, lawyers working on the stadium, planning fees and stadium construction costs do not get added to the SCMP cost figure.

SCMP is basically about players, the first team manager and agents. The stadium is a completely separate issue

I'll defer to your superior knowledge on this stuff @Billyox but my (maybe wrong) understanding was that for every £1 invested to meet SCMP another £1 had to go on improving infrastructure etc. The idea behind these rules was that the EFL could make sure that owners were investing in long term stability and not just paying player costs. Once the stadium gets formal approval then the costs that get put into it count towards the infrastructure part of the SCMP.

Is that right?

 

[Symp59]

Its always amazing that this has been in the pipeline for sometime and yet its done last minute ,very strange ,such a sad and stressful time being an Oxford fan. We have been outplayed over the past 2 seasons and it doesn't look like getting any better very soon ,we were ripped apart last night at times for fun ,Helik in and Leigh .Currie and Long were shocking

 

[Yellowoptimist]

Architects, planning consultants, lawyers working on the stadium, planning fees and stadium construction costs do not get added to the SCMP cost figure.

SCMP is basically about players, the first team manager and agents. The stadium is a completely separate issue

I think the potential Billy is that when you have a commitment to fund a project like the stadium with significant expenditure in that plan you can take 50% of that against your SCMP costs. It’s not new investment but planned as part of longer term plan. The bit to tidy up will be in the relationship between OUFC and the stadium company

 

[Billyox]

I'll defer to your superior knowledge on this stuff @Billyox but my (maybe wrong) understanding was that for every £1 invested to meet SCMP another £1 had to go on improving infrastructure etc. The idea behind these rules was that the EFL could make sure that owners were investing in long term stability and not just paying player costs. Once the stadium gets formal approval then the costs that get put into it count towards the infrastructure part of the SCMP.

Is that right?

No, that was the original misunderstanding.
It was first thought that under the 50/50 rule, 50% of an owner’s injection could go towards SCMP and the other 50% had to be spent specifically on things like the stadium, training ground or other infrastructure.
That isn’t actually the case.
The other 50% can be spent on whatever the club needs. The important point is simply that it cannot be used in the SCMP calculation to increase the amount the club is allowed to spend on player wages.

 

[Billyox]

I think the potential Billy is that when you have a commitment to fund a project like the stadium with significant expenditure in that plan you can take 50% of that against your SCMP costs. It’s not new investment but planned as part of longer term plan. The bit to tidy up will be in the relationship between OUFC and the stadium company

The stadium spend itself doesn’t generate an SCMP credit. You can’t say “we’re spending £10m on the stadium, therefore £5m can be set against SCMP.”
The 50/50 relates to owner funding going into the club. If an owner injects money, only the permitted 50% can be used in the SCMP calculation. The other 50% can still be spent by the club on whatever it needs, including stadium related costs, but it does not create extra SCMP headroom.
So having a long-term commitment to fund the stadium doesn’t, by itself, give OUFC an extra allowance against the wage calculation. The OUFC/Stadco relationship may matter for accounting purposes, but it doesn’t magically turn stadium expenditure into SCMP capacity.

 

[Jim Chimcheroux]

Just to play devils advocate here, because I have time.

I wonder if after our relegation Preston and BCFC were allowed to talk to Mills and BDK perhaps a deal was struck with Mills and something close with BDK.
Then the embargo hits and we as a club backtrack, either we want to keep them or want more to remove the embargo.

This is where things get messy, was anything promised, perhaps we will never know but if it was ,you can understand why those two players are going to be pissed off.

Rather than accept it,both Mills and BDK have made their feelings known to the club, they may not have gone about it in the right way ,in our eyes but do they have a point?

Should they be vilified the way they are?

If we were offered a promotion at work to move to another branch on twice the salary and we were promised it by the MD and we are just waiting to sign the paperwork then they say sorry it’s off. The job is still there but we have to remain in our old job and say nothing although we probably won’t give 100% or do we get HR involved and say that job is rightfully ours, put us on gardening leave until the management decides

Possibly the fairest, most reasonable, and logically thought out posts I have ever read on this forum. Lateral thinking at its finest!

Are you sure you’re a football fan?

 

[38yearsofpain]

Indeed, but apparantly he should of played through the pain & potentially lose the use of his arm according to some

The reality is we all have different pain thresholds, so what appears an inconvienience to one person appears to be life altering to another.
Certaintly both in his and Mills case the communication process has been awful but we are as fans totally used to that. Mushroom syndrome is communication mantra of OUFC.