Transfer Window 26/27 Summer Embargo Window

[SteMerritt]

 

[werthersoriginal]

Oxford United transfer model.
Sign a player on long contract, so taking liability.
Improve value of player.
Sell him at a loss.

If we improve his value surely we sell him at a profit?

 

[samstudd]

Blackburn just been linked cause they were after him when we got him. They couldn’t afford his left foot.

 

[Oufcrealist]

It might have been the difference between him signing for us or not

I think you're right. I think he and his agent would have looked for a relatively easy way out and insisted on that in the contract.
TBH there were times when I watched him where I wondered if he really wanted to be here. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and put it down to playing style!!

 

[yellowbow]

It might have been the difference between him signing for us or not

Then don’t sign him. It’s all hypothetical of course but if a player insists on being able to leave for less than we paid in the event of relegation, which let’s face it, was always a huge possibility, then it’s crap business acumen to start with, and the player isn’t really showing great commitment to the cause.

 

[CaptainOx]

Then don’t sign him. It’s all hypothetical of course but if a player insists on being able to leave for less than we paid in the event of relegation, which let’s face it, was always a huge possibility, then it’s crap business acumen to start with, and the player isn’t really showing great commitment to the cause.

How do we know it's less? All we know about BDK's fee is that it was more than the £1m+ we paid for Romeny (BBC Oxford tweet when BDK signed). I'd have thought they'd have said if it was way higher or if he was becoming our first £2m player.
No Oxford media ever referenced anything about £2m for BDK, but some of the fanbase seem to have settled that it was north of this.
Even transfermarkt doesn't have a guess at a fee which is unusual.

Based on the information available, a release fee of £2.2m alluded to on this forum, would be profit.

 

[Twiggy85]

Then don’t sign him. It’s all hypothetical of course but if a player insists on being able to leave for less than we paid in the event of relegation, which let’s face it, was always a huge possibility, then it’s crap business acumen to start with, and the player isn’t really showing great commitment to the cause.

If the club did this it would have been very hard to sign players and they would be accused of not backing themselves. The club needed better quality players and to get those Players, they may have needed to agree to less Than perfect terms and back themselves to stay up.

 

[werthersoriginal]

There’s a lot of ifs there

 

[Manorlounger]

If BDK is serious about improving his position, then he would be better off playing the first half of this season with OUFC. He spent much of last season out with his shoulder and when he was playing, sufferred under the negative tactics of Rowett. He would, in my opinion, be far better applying himself to turning in a decent display here under a head coach who prefers attacking, possession play that would suit his skills perfectly. If he still wants away. then January he would/should stand to get better personal terms offered. I would imagine that he is on a fairly high salary already, no point leaving for the same terms.

 

[BrockBuster]

Any player with a release clause and a player even remotely looking to move, can guarantee his agent will be letting every club with even a vague interest know the exact figure of the clause.

Whatever said clause is, the club won't see a penny more if he moves.

 

[brightonyellow]

If his release clause isn’t what we paid or more then we might as well give up.

 

[LeftSideBoy]

Mills is valued at over £4mil.
BDK has a release clause of £4.5mil.

This came from someone within the club. Might not be true, but they have no reason to lie.

This might explain why BDK's release clause has yet to be triggered, and why Mills didn't join Preston when they submitted that derisory bid of ~£2mil.

 

[Jaboysmith]

How do we know it's less? All we know about BDK's fee is that it was more than the £1m+ we paid for Romeny (BBC Oxford tweet when BDK signed). I'd have thought they'd have said if it was way higher or if he was becoming our first £2m player.
No Oxford media ever referenced anything about £2m for BDK, but some of the fanbase seem to have settled that it was north of this.
Even transfermarkt doesn't have a guess at a fee which is unusual.

Based on the information available, a release fee of £2.2m alluded to on this forum, would be profit.

I think it was the original report which linked us to him that said just over 2 million right? And I think I may even (mis?)remember them saying it cleared the Romeny figure by a sizeable distance

 

[Scotchegg]

A few weeks ago Brown was signing for Millwall and not going to Spain, Mills was already in Preston and Cumming was unable to resist the might of MK Dons yet weirdly they all appear to be here.

I said at the end of last season that I think BDK will be with us beyond 1st September and I still think the same.

 

[holdsteady]

Mills is valued at £4mil.
BDK has a release clause of £4.5mil.

This came from someone within the club. Might not be true, but they have no reason to lie.

This might explain why BDK's release clause has yet to be triggered, and why Mills didn't join Preston when they submitted that derisory bid of ~£2mil.

Be surprised if anyone paid £4.5 Million for BDK based on his career so far, as many questions as answers. However if he continues to be ill I suppose that could see that price go down.

Still think they will both go, just teams trying to get the price down while we try to keep it up, a long time left on the window yet.

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

If BDK is serious about improving his position, then he would be better off playing the first half of this season with OUFC.

I think that's very naive.

What if that first half of the season is spent playing for a side that is 15th in League One? How does that improve his lot?

It's a very risky game. The best way for him to progress his career, short and long-term, is to play in the 2nd tier.

Same for Stan Mills, realistically.

I appreciate people don't want to hear it, but if you try and look at it objectively (and if we had stayed up in place of say, Portsmouth) then you wouldn't expect Josh Murphy et al to hang around for half a season.

 

[uptheus]

A few weeks ago Brown was signing for Millwall and not going to Spain, Mills was already in Preston and Cumming was unable to resist the might of MK Dons yet weirdly they all appear to be here.

I said at the end of last season that I think BDK will be with us beyond 1st September and I still think the same.

I think of any of our players then BDK’s is the player that is more likely to go!

Just basing this on the illness as to why he wasn’t available the other night!

 

[LeftSideBoy]

Be surprised if anyone paid £4.5 Million for BDK.

I think that's the point mate

 

[OUFC1978]

But BDK hasnt played in 8 months.
Is a team going to chuck £4.5m at someone who is potentially not 100%?
And has less than 30 games experience in the champ?
Possibly.
However many suitors he has now I am sure his options would increase massively if he played 25 games here and was the best CM in League 1 Sept-Jan.
(Thats what im hoping anyway!)

 

[werthersoriginal]

But BDK hasnt played in 8 months.
Is a team going to chuck £4.5m at someone who is potentially not 100%?
And has less than 30 games experience in the champ?
Possibly.
However many suitors he has now I am sure his options would increase massively if he played 25 games here and was the best CM in League 1 Sept-Jan.
(Thats what im hoping anyway!)

Presumably we might take less than £4.5m though? That's just the figure we have to accept.

 

[Big Ron]

Mills is valued at £4mil.
BDK has a release clause of £4.5mil.

This came from someone within the club. Might not be true, but they have no reason to lie.

This might explain why BDK's release clause has yet to be triggered, and why Mills didn't join Preston when they submitted that derisory bid of ~£2mil.

In a previous thread about the departure of Matt Bloomfield, I relayed a conversation with the man himself, what happened and how it happened.

Somebody on this forum claimed that he had been sacked after a disagreement about player sales, which was wholly untrue. However, he was told (and fully accepted) that Mills would go if the price was right and that BDK has a relegation release clause stating he can go for the price we paid (whatever that might be). There is no £4.5m release clause. Perhaps if there is interest from multiple clubs, we may be able to drive the price up.

 

[CaptainOx]

I think it was the original report which linked us to him that said just over 2 million right? And I think I may even (mis?)remember them saying it cleared the Romeny figure by a sizeable distance

The original reports came from Holland didn't they so likely with prices in euros, so in today's exchange, if it was 2 million euros that would be about £1.7m

 

[LeftSideBoy]

There is no £4.5m release clause.

Strange thing for them to lie about; especially when you consider who it was that passed on this information..

 

[Big Ron]

Strange thing for them to lie about; especially when you consider who it was that passed on this information..

Let’s be honest, you’re not always the most reliable source of information- many of your comments are prefaced with ‘’it might not be true but…”.

 

[Scotchegg]

Strange thing for them to lie about; especially when you consider who it was that passed on this information..

 

[LeftSideBoy]

Many of your comments are prefaced with ‘’it might not be true but…”.

Well unless it was BDK himself told me that he has a £4.5mil release clause, you can never be sure that something is 100% true. I'm not going to jump on here and state something as fact, when really, you never know - hence me prefacing what I said with 'it might not be true'

You seem to think that what you have been told is an absolute fact, so I'm happy for you to hang your hat on that..

 

[Manorlounger]

I think that's very naive.

What if that first half of the season is spent playing for a side that is 15th in League One? How does that improve his lot?

It's a very risky game. The best way for him to progress his career, short and long-term, is to play in the 2nd tier.

Same for Stan Mills, realistically.

I appreciate people don't want to hear it, but if you try and look at it objectively (and if we had stayed up in place of say, Portsmouth) then you wouldn't expect Josh Murphy et al to hang around for half a season.

Maybe, maybe not. I stick by my opinion that he would profit from playing under Ramsay and could still get a deal in January.

 

[Big Ron]

Well unless it was BDK himself told me that he has a £4.5mil release clause, you can never be sure that something is 100% true. I'm not going to jump on here and claim that something is fact, when really, you never know - hence me prefacing what I said with 'it might not be true'

You seem to think that what you have been told is an absolute fact, so I'm happy for you to hang your hat on that..

I don’t post much nowadays, but I named a source and relayed an actual conversation, rather alluding to a conversation with someone ‘who has no reason to lie’, which is always a great bail out.

 

[Yellowarmy]

I think anyone scouting BDK in the 1st half of last season could see his ball retention is very good and he always looked like he had time on the ball, a sign of a good player in the championship. He was unproven when we took a gamble on him. For me, he is much less of a gamble now.

 

[Under The Cuckoo Lane]

Is any release fee likely to have been for what we paid? So no minimum release if we remain in the Champ but relegation you can leave but we want our money back. Makes sense and likley how we managed to secure his signature. I had kind of already said goodbye to him when he went for the operation!what

If we improve his value surely we sell him at a profit?

Nope. My point exactly. We must get better at contracts ie release clauses.

 

[Gregortheox]

Mills is valued at £4mil.
BDK has a release clause of £4.5mil.

This came from someone within the club. Might not be true, but they have no reason to lie.

This might explain why BDK's release clause has yet to be triggered, and why Mills didn't join Preston when they submitted that derisory bid of ~£2mil.

If near on 10 million quid was offered for these two, transfer embargo or not….i would drive them to their new home.