Away Match Day Thread 02/04/2022 L1: Plymouth Argyle v OUFC

[Northstandboy]

Thing is even if we manage to go up then struggle in the Championship we would still be 6/ 7 million quid better off and in a stronger position to return than by staying at League One level .

And keep players like Stevens, Skye's etc

 

[Banbury2018]

Sykes is wasted at the back. Always miss CB we were unlucky to lose I thought. Typically the highlights didnt show the offside penalty situation.

I thought that regarding the offside/penalty. On EFL on Quest they showed it and all three said no offside definitely a penalty and probable sending off but sadly another big match where key decisions didn’t go our way. We need to take chances more also.

 

[uptheus]

I thought that regarding the offside/penalty. On EFL on Quest they showed it and all three said no offside definitely a penalty and probable sending off but sadly another big match where key decisions didn’t go our way. We need to take chances more also.

Wrong decisions probably even themselves out over a season. I think we had a few go our way against Ipswich!

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

Wrong decisions probably even themselves out over a season. I think we had a few go our way against Ipswich!

Did we ?? Can't think of anything close to that one against us at Plymouth.

 

[OX14]

Did we ?? Can't think of anything close to that one against us at Plymouth.

The Crewe shot that hit the bar and looked like it went over the line before bouncing back out is probably an example.

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

The Crewe shot that hit the bar and looked like it went over the line before bouncing back out is probably an example.

Thinking about the Ipswich game as quoted tbh but not quite as obvious a mistake the possible Crewe over the line I don't think.

 

[uptheus]

Did we ?? Can't think of anything close to that one against us at Plymouth.

I vaguely remember Karl saying they should have had a penalty, but it might have been another game.

 

[pafcprogs]

On the fitness thing in this data driven world our fitness coach recently did a presentation. To senior fans where he claimed our running stats are ahead of even Leeds who were renowned for running further than any other Prem team.

Which is impressive. Camara leads the way on that stat.

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

I vaguely remember Karl saying they should have had a penalty, but it might have been another game.

Think that was the Sedden tackle against Wednesday?

 

[pafcprogs]

Possible pull back on Ennis. Fifty fifty at best

 

[pafcprogs]

Re the offside etc etc I always apply the if it happened the other way what would I want

I would have wanted a pen a red and a one nil lead We got lucky there but I can see how the linesman got it wrong based on the movement of the players.

If it is any consolation it makes up for the outside of the box pen that cost is two points at Lincoln.

Too soon?

 

[SteMerritt]

On the fitness thing in this data driven world our fitness coach recently did a presentation. To senior fans where he claimed our running stats are ahead of even Leeds who were renowned for running further than any other Prem team.

Which is impressive. Camara leads the way on that stat.

Taken in isolation I'm not sure that is a very useful statistic. Let the ball do the work, I'm sure Man City run less than Leeds due to the fact they aren't chasing the ball all of the time. I'm sure that it was part of a wider assessment on fitness, would be interesting to know any other metrics that were tracked.

 

[Berliner]

Taken in isolation I'm not sure that is a very useful statistic. Let the ball do the work, I'm sure Man City run less than Leeds due to the fact they aren't chasing the ball all of the time. I'm sure that it was part of a wider assessment on fitness, would be interesting to know any other metrics that were tracked.

Supporting a team in Germany punching above their weight in the Bundesliga (Union), I can say that in almost every game this and last season, we have outrun the opposition when we have got a result, and have been outrun OR the total amount run is significantly lower when we have been beaten. So there is definitely merit in the old Laufleistung!

 

[Banbury2018]

Wrong decisions probably even themselves out over a season. I think we had a few go our way against Ipswich!

Yes but all the top clubs seem to get the decisions against us when they are at home. Sunderland every time is a good example. These are the decisions that make or break a season.

 

[SteMerritt]

Supporting a team in Germany punching above their weight in the Bundesliga (Union), I can say that in almost every game this and last season, we have outrun the opposition when we have got a result, and have been outrun OR the total amount run is significantly lower when we have been beaten. So there is definitely merit in the old Laufleistung!

Interesting. Is this based on figures, or just the impression you get whilst watching? I've tried to do a bit of research in my short tea break, found this link from a couple of seasons back...

Premier League running stats this season revealed

Will Premier League players match pre-break fitness levels?

www.skysports.com

...which is mostly with regards to individual players (and reveals the "shocking" revelation that midfielders run the most ), but it does have a bit on team totals which does suggest that distance covered doesn't equate with points earned...

 

[theWizard]

I think the boys were excellent and fair paly to Karl

To go to Plymouth (this year) and to have probably everyone in the home end praying for a point at half time demonstrates this effort.

I think the offside decision and then the goal did knock the wind out our sails. We came crashing back down to earth and they got in the game.

I was gutted but I was devastated for the players and manager.

Let's keep the faith, bring on Tuesday! COYY!!!

 

[Berliner]

Interesting. Is this based on figures, or just the impression you get whilst watching? I've tried to do a bit of research in my short tea break, found this link from a couple of seasons back...

Premier League running stats this season revealed

Will Premier League players match pre-break fitness levels?

www.skysports.com

...which is mostly with regards to individual players (and reveals the "shocking" revelation that midfielders run the most ), but it does have a bit on team totals which does suggest that distance covered doesn't equate with points earned...

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One of our WhatsApp group is a fan of the distance covered stats (quite literally become a running joke) but when we play bad, we are being outrun in the vast majority of cases.

 

[PottersRightBoot]

Half of our team were apparently running on fumes in the second half. A big reason why we lost. Not so great considering this was our first game for a fortnight.

Wouldn’t be surprised if the level of Covid we’ve had in the camp over the season is something to do with this.

Brannagan’s level of general fitness appears to be double that of McGuane. It would be interesting to see the stats but guess there are confidentiality issues.

Fingers crossed CamBran and Moore start tomorrow night.

 

[Reynolds97]

Brilliant day ruined by the football - Felt like watching a pre / early stages Appleton side for the large parts of that, no real game plan or clue what we were doing second half easiest game they will win all season, pretty similar to Wycombe away. Must win tomorrow.

 

[BD Yellow]

Re the offside etc etc I always apply the if it happened the other way what would I want

I would have wanted a pen a red and a one nil lead We got lucky there but I can see how the linesman got it wrong based on the movement of the players.

If it is any consolation it makes up for the outside of the box pen that cost is two points at Lincoln.

Too soon?

The Lincoln pen cost you 2 points. The Plymouth non pen could cost us a place in the play off.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Half of our team were apparently running on fumes in the second half. A big reason why we lost. Not so great considering this was our first game for a fortnight.

Wouldn’t be surprised if the level of Covid we’ve had in the camp over the season is something to do with this.

Brannagan’s level of general fitness appears to be double that of McGuane. It would be interesting to see the stats but guess there are confidentiality issues.

Fingers crossed CamBran and Moore start tomorrow night.

We've generally been very fit in the last two or three seasons. Covid may be a factor here but we seem to do better when we get into a routine, and are often a bit dozy after a break.

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

Half of our team were apparently running on fumes in the second half. A big reason why we lost. Not so great considering this was our first game for a fortnight.

Wouldn’t be surprised if the level of Covid we’ve had in the camp over the season is something to do with this.

Brannagan’s level of general fitness appears to be double that of McGuane. It would be interesting to see the stats but guess there are confidentiality issues.

Fingers crossed CamBran and Moore start tomorrow night.

Hold on a minute
How many times have we come back and scored late goals this season
Portsmouth, Sheffield W, Ipswich Shrewsbury all recent examples so let’s not think our lads don’t have the stamina
It could be missing a game had the opposite effect and rather than thinking we should be fitter perhaps that cost us
As for Mc Guane he has hardly played a full game all season, let’s look at his work rate and performance after 5/6 starts and constant 90 mins under his belt

 

[PottersRightBoot]

Were you at the game on Saturday? We were swept aside physically in the second half. It was alarming. Now, of course it’s not helpful if your best midfielder, best forward and best defender are all out. However, Plymouth had several injuries as well.

As for McGuane, he’s had plenty of time to fix a regular starting place. From my view he’s not mobile enough and he doesn’t get involved enough. Being fair, his first half performance was his best of the season. (That chance he created for Bodin was top drawer. ) But second half he completely disappeared. I’d go as far to say it was embarrassingly bad.

Of course we want him to succeed he’s on a three year deal. But he’s not really cut it to date has he?

 

[Paul Cannell]

I was at the game. You're right, after half-time it was a total eclipse of midfield. And it really exposed the poverty of our defense, or the wing/full-back situation. Williams, being a fairly intelligent player, made a fist of it most of the time but poor Sykes was totally exposed although IMO he got less support from McNally than Williams got from Brown, I wish we had their 3rd choice left back. I wish we had a left back, or a right back, or both.

Pretty good first half but on balance they deserved the win. Our only players who performed well in their positions were Eastwood, Long and I suppose Kane, McGuane was very good in the first half, but was like a rag doll in the second. Why the fuck wasn't Forde on and Sykes moved into midfield? Substitutions pointless.

Very disappointing. However the day was saved by the best UK Thai meal by a mile since I stopped going to Oli's. Not saying where as I'm hoping we'll be in the same league as them next season. Which would be tough on them.

 

[Foley]

easiest game they will win all season.

I didn't go but listened on RO and this amazes me.
From what I heard/ read, we had a definite penalty turned down and their keeper made 2 excellent saves all at 0 0.
They had 1 shot on target in the whole game.

They have had a number of 3 0 and 4 0/ 4 1 wins this season, so was that a serious post or a bit of a wind up ( or do you think it would have been an easier game than 4 0 v Accrington, 3 0 v Bolton and many more?)

 

[Foley]

Were you at the game on Saturday? We were swept aside physically in the second half. It was alarming. Now, of course it’s not helpful if your best midfielder, best forward and best defender are all out. However, Plymouth had several injuries as well.

As for McGuane, he’s had plenty of time to fix a regular starting place. From my view he’s not mobile enough and he doesn’t get involved enough. Being fair, his first half performance was his best of the season. (That chance he created for Bodin was top drawer. ) But second half he completely disappeared. I’d go as far to say it was embarrassingly bad.

Of course we want him to succeed he’s on a three year deal. But he’s not really cut it to date has he?

Mcguane doesn't seem to be a 90 minute player.
It seems to me that he can be oretty good for half a game but then fades.
His injuries can't help, but I do wonder whether he will ever be a 90 minute player for us?

 

[Isle of Wight Yellow]

Once again McGuane gets singled out for criticism when he was one of our best players in the first half and no worse than a host of others in the second half. Strange

 

[Sarge]

Mcguane doesn't seem to be a 90 minute player.
It seems to me that he can be oretty good for half a game but then fades.
His injuries can't help, but I do wonder whether he will ever be a 90 minute player for us?

he was influential for the first half no question, probably one of the best performances from MM in a yellow shirt ..... second half sadly he was like a different player , not even a shadow of his first half self

its one thing being fit, match fit ( capable of delivering for 90 + mins) is something completely different. Would additional staying power be built up from regular starts in a run of games, or is MM always going to be limited in the stamina he has?

 

[werthersoriginal]

he was influential for the first half no question, probably one of the best performances from MM in a yellow shirt ..... second half sadly he was like a different player , not even a shadow of his first half self

its one thing being fit, match fit ( capable of delivering for 90 + mins) is something completely different. Would additional staying power be built up from regular starts in a run of games, or is MM always going to be limited in the stamina he has?

He's quite a unit, surely he can develop better fitness, though it might take till next season. He's been very disappointing for me, has contributed only little bits despite his obvious talent and the promise of last season.

 

[horseman]

he was influential for the first half no question, probably one of the best performances from MM in a yellow shirt ..... second half sadly he was like a different player , not even a shadow of his first half self

its one thing being fit, match fit ( capable of delivering for 90 + mins) is something completely different. Would additional staying power be built up from regular starts in a run of games, or is MM always going to be limited in the stamina he has?

correct me if i'm wrong but those talking about strange subs, has Holland delivered not only crucial goals but set others up too?

As for Plymouth deserved to win don't make me laugh, they were workmanlike nothing more or less they just scored a decent goal whilst we missed our chances that's football