Away Match Build Up 4/12/2021 L1: Sunderland v OUFC

ECYellow said:

Imagine a club, any club, deciding to not play a player because they exercise their democratic right to not be vaccinated. Can you imagine what that kind of stance could do to us as a club, when trying to attract new players?

Anyway, not wishing to derail the thread - S'land 1 Oxford 3.
875 Ox in attendance.

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Bodminyellow said:

Think if I was a new player I’d want to play for a club where everyone was vaccinated not one with players who didn’t care about anyone else just their own ‘rights’!

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Big Ron said:

You need to be careful young man, you're arguing with fully qualified medical professionals here, or at the very least, people who know more than fully qualified medical professionals.

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chuckbert said:

That has nothing to do with democracy. Nothing!
They may have a right to not be vaccinated, but they don’t have a right to participate in football games unless it is granted to them.

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ECYellow said:

I don't think that there is a need to be quite so condescending. It's a perfectly reasoned debate and a question or two have been asked about long term effects that nobody has the answers to - not even the medical professionals that you mention.

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HampshireYellow said:

Why haven’t the government just made it a legal requirement for everyone to get the vaccine? That would solve a lot of these arguments.

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ECYellow said:

I don't think it can be classed as black and white as you portray it.

Due to the nature of the pandemic, there has been no possibility to rigorously test the long term effects of having the vaccines. Nobody, can state what (if any) side effects there may be in 3/5/10 years time. With that in mind, who is anyone to state that somebody MUST have the vaccine in order to partake in their profession?

For arguments sake and strictly hypothetically speaking; if OUFC imposed compulsory vaccines on all players. What happens in 5 years time when one of those vaccinated players drops dead and it's proven to be as as a result of the vaccine* that was forced upon them?

All I'd ask is who's negligent? Who would the law suit come after?

*I appreciate that this is highly unlikely but using the example as nobody worldwide has seen what the side effects are of a 5 year vaccine, yet.

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Big Ron said:

I usually tend to try and avoid these sort of debates as it's the equivalent of banging your head against a brick wall but a bit of balance is sometimes necessary.

I read a very interesting piece in the NY Times who were interviewing the Head of Vaccine Research at the University of Alabama - he pointed out that with decades of vaccine history plus data from around 3 billion doses administered to people starting last December — there is powerful proof that there is little chance that any new dangers will emerge from COVID vaccines.

Unlike many medications which are taken daily, vaccines are generally administered on a one-off or irregular basis. Medicines you take every day can cause side effects that reveal themselves over time, including long-term problems as levels of the drug build up in the body over months and years. I'll quote the good Dr Goepfert directly:

“Vaccines are just designed to deliver a payload and then are quickly eliminated by the body. This is particularly true of the mRNA vaccines. mRNA degrades incredibly rapidly. You wouldn’t expect any of these vaccines to have any long-term side effects. And in fact, this has never occurred with any vaccine.”

He has also pointed out that there have been initial problems but these have appeared soon after the widespread use of the vaccine began but the rare side effects identified with COVID vaccines have to be weighed against the known, higher risks from contracting COVID itself.

I appreciate this isn't going to change the minds of anti-vaxxers and defenders of personal liberty but it makes the more rational of us feel a little better.

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Malc said:

Er, Sunderland v OUFC, not vaxxers v anti-vaxxers. Thankyou.

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Big Ron said:

I usually tend to try and avoid these sort of debates as it's the equivalent of banging your head against a brick wall but a bit of balance is sometimes necessary.

I read a very interesting piece in the NY Times who were interviewing the Head of Vaccine Research at the University of Alabama - he pointed out that with decades of vaccine history plus data from around 3 billion doses administered to people starting last December — there is powerful proof that there is little chance that any new dangers will emerge from COVID vaccines.

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werthersoriginal said:

Sorry, I didn’t didn’t mean to reopen the same argument again.

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ECYellow said:

You do realise that we live in a democracy, right? It is every players democratic right to turn down the opportunity to be vaccinated.

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ECYellow said:

What happens in 5 years time when one of those vaccinated players drops dead and it's proven to be as as a result of the vaccine* that was forced upon them?

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ECYellow said:

You do realise that we live in a democracy, right? It is every players democratic right to turn down the opportunity to be vaccinated.

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Sarge said:

Reckon we're on for a knee sliding away win this saturday

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