Transfer News Transfer Window Summer 21

battman · 19 Jul 2021

Scotchegg said:
Stevens, Eastwood

Long, Forde?, McNally, Moore, Mous (plus 1 experienced CB), Seddon/Robson, Elechi

Gorrin, Clare, Hanson

Brannagan, McGuane, LCP, Sykes, Henry, Williams, Bodin, Copper

Taylor, Winnall, Agyei

Not sure if I've missed anyone, but add a couple of extra attacking wingers/forwards on loan and the left back, centre back and I'd argue that we're in a better position that at the beginning of last season.

Ok, so what you're saying is that there are no excuses if Karl starts another season poorly again?

guyellow · 19 Jul 2021

n1 said:
Absolutely spot on.

If Ruffels could do what Long (or Cadden previously) do, but on the left, we wouldn’t have struggled so much for shape and balance without SL.

We can’t afford another year in which our whole approach relies on on player being fit. If we can bring in a proper left back then we’ll be so much more competitive.

I know the Sean Clare experiment was a disaster, but couldn't he at least offer cover at RB? With squad limits it's impossible to have cover for all 11 positions and have the capacity to switch formation around, so flexible players like Forde, Hanson and maybe Clare become crucial.

OX14 · 19 Jul 2021

Foley said:
Are you seriously comparing Tiger with Kassam? Really?

Tiger has bought us the best times in over 20+ years. It's the new owners that haven't completed the takeover that could be compared to Kassam with interested in a land deal.

bazzer9461 · 19 Jul 2021

OX14 said:
Tiger has bought us the best times in over 20+ years. It's the new owners that haven't completed the takeover that could be compared to Kassam with interested in a land deal.

But maybe there is a problem with said takeover all they need to do is take over the club unless they are looking to purchase the land around the stadium as well as the stadium which might be the stumbling block, but then ITK’s have stated that we would be moving from Grenoble road so who knows?

dickwalton1964 · 19 Jul 2021

Scotchegg said:
I'm a huge fan of Sam Long, and yes, he was missed. But games, let alone seasons, are rarely won or lost through the right back alone.

I said that ideally I'd like a specialist replacement, or look to develop Ben Watt to be able to step up long term. But if we have to choose between another right back or someone like Gavin Whyte or Ellis Harrison then I'd be throwing Forde in at right back and hoping that we score far more than we concede!

That's a load of rubbish and completely under playing the importance of a modern day full back. Baldock, for example, at our level and numerous ones at the top level can be game changers. 50 years ago you may have a point, hence why the likes of Steady Eddie's, like John Shuker, played hundreds and hundreds of games unchallenged and would probably never have been looked to be upgraded upon. Forde would probably be similar but there are now such things as dynamic and productive full backs - and that he ain't.

YellowDJ · 19 Jul 2021

Swaby39 said:
Everybody would love to have 2 excellent choices specialised in every position so you can seamlessly chop and change the side. That’s fantasy land and you have to compromise somewhere with utility players to get more bodies in where it matters. Not an easy job to build a squad because there’s no crystal ball to tell you who’s getting injured/suspended and when/how long for.

Nail on the head. Sometimes I think people forget this is the real world and it’s not as easy as clicking a button on Football Manager to create the ‘perfect’ squad

OX14 · 19 Jul 2021

bazzer9461 said:
But maybe there is a problem with said takeover all they need to do is take over the club unless they are looking to purchase the land around the stadium as well as the stadium which might be the stumbling block, but then ITK’s have stated that we would be moving from Grenoble road so who knows?

Even the in the knows don't know. This consortium could leave us in a similar situation as we find ourselves in now except maybe having a better stadium to rent of them.

ZeroTheHero · 19 Jul 2021

Scotchegg said:
The fact that we should hopefully be in a better position means that we should hopefully get better results!

Well yes of course. I was just pointing out that you didn't set a very high bar!

horseman · 19 Jul 2021

YellowDJ said:
Nail on the head. Sometimes I think people forget this is the real world and it’s not as easy as clicking a button on Football Manager to create the ‘perfect’ squad

Correct BUT when you know that Your Loans are walking away, that you're selling one of your better players and another is not going to re sign you would normally pre plan for such scenarios.

Example Barker Shodipo and the often mentioned Holland, now if none of them were ever realistic long term options then what was the point, if they were and they wanted to sign bearing in mind KR stated he's not going to sit waiting for players to make their minds up why are they not here (1 of them) ?

Which i why i say have an option to buy or don't bother with them.

Colin B · 19 Jul 2021

OX14 said:
Tiger has bought us the best times in over 20+ years. It's the new owners that haven't completed the takeover that could be compared to Kassam with interested in a land deal.

I've read a lot of negative crap on here on the subject of takeover/stadium, and mostly kept my council (as frustrating as that can be!), but there is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON between the "new owners" and Firoz Kassam.

Jesus f*****g Christ!!!

Swaby39 · 19 Jul 2021

horseman said:
Correct BUT when you know that Your Loans are walking away, that you're selling one of your better players and another is not going to re sign you would normally pre plan for such scenarios.

Example Barker Shodipo and the often mentioned Holland, now if none of them were ever realistic long term options then what was the point, if they were and they wanted to sign bearing in mind KR stated he's not going to sit waiting for players to make their minds up why are they not here (1 of them) ?

Which i why i say have an option to buy or don't bother with them.

The point is they contribute to the position we finish in and without them our chances would’ve been less. And we can’t afford players as good or better on permanent deals - and they aren’t always available. It’s good quality players on the cheap but the trade-off is you have to hand them back. It’s just like leasing a nice new car!

it’s incredibly naive to dismiss the loan system if you can’t keep them long-term. They serve a great purpose to clubs like ours.

Oxt1 · 19 Jul 2021

horseman said:
Correct BUT when you know that Your Loans are walking away, that you're selling one of your better players and another is not going to re sign you would normally pre plan for such scenarios.

Example Barker Shodipo and the often mentioned Holland, now if none of them were ever realistic long term options then what was the point, if they were and they wanted to sign bearing in mind KR stated he's not going to sit waiting for players to make their minds up why are they not here (1 of them) ?

Which i why i say have an option to buy or don't bother with them.

Wasn't Barker only brought in after we lost Cooper due to personal circumstances, so was more akin to an emergency loan... if we only went for the try before you buy approach that you are suggesting we would miss out on the chance to see some of the exciting up and coming talent around, at very little cost or risk to the club. Personally I think we use the system pretty well.

horseman · 19 Jul 2021

Swaby39 said:
The point is they contribute to the position we finish in and without them our chances would’ve been less. And we can’t afford players as good or better on permanent deals - and they aren’t always available. It’s good quality players on the cheap but the trade-off is you have to hand them back. It’s just like leasing a nice new car!

it’s incredibly naive to dismiss the loan system if you can’t keep them long-term. They serve a great purpose to clubs like ours.

Then sorry but it's not Oxford United or any other club for that matter as it's just a feeder club. Nobody likes the mickey mouse cup but what would the reaction be when the top clubs get their under 21 23's into the League pyramid.

By all means top up with loans if you must but not 5/6 that wont be near the place next season it's just pointless and what you going to do if the scenario above comes to fruition?

if our Managers acknowledges that last seasons squad was weaker than the one before and yet again we see players leave/sold or not return it's logical that we're weaker still. I keep saying it there are 11/12 clubs with promotion prospects + the odd 1 or 2 that surprise When you're 15-20 + pts from the Autos you have to address it You have to improve not weaken.

Remember when Mapp warned that other clubs were now fishing in the same waters, just because other clubs use 5/6 loans don't mean you "must" also.

Shaun Rice · 19 Jul 2021

Swaby39 said:
Understand the point. I just think there is an argument so say when you’re missing your best players, you’re not the same side anyway so it’s a difficult issue to remedy. Backup is not as good as first choice and plan B is not Plan A for a reason. So there has to be an understanding that you’re not as good when the likes of Long do not play - whatever/whoever he picks.

I just take slight issue with the constant bashing of KR . I think he is one of those who gets excessive stick for such minor imperfections but then when he’s gone - which may be nearer than we think - we question whether we appreciated him enough.

I think most of the ‘bashing’ is towards the club. i see people frustrated at a lack of signings and rightly so yet again! i think KR is excellent at getting the most out of what he has. I think we miss out on our first and maybe second choice players for whatever reason. He is openly frustrated and no amount of rose glasses can wash over that.
Will he put a team together that will do well again? I have absolutely no doubt. But not having cover really cost us last season.
When ruffs and Atkinson were injured we were all over the place. go back if you wish and check our team sheets and results in those first games there is a direct alignment between poor results and inadequate cover. Poor long played all along the back line!
plus with no cover players are forced to play through pain when with cover they could take a game or so out and recover rather than injuring themselves further.

Gregortheox · 19 Jul 2021

We were some way off even with Ruffles, Atkinson, Barker, Lee etc in the ranks. This was always going to be an important window. And there is time. But we must get a jog on!

Didcotox · 19 Jul 2021

Just got back from a nice week away, and thought I’d catch up on the transfer rumours. This thread was painful reading and very little actual transfer news other than Seddon possibly incoming from Birmingham. If there are any others in my boat, save yourself the agony of looking back through numerous ages of bickering.

horseman · 19 Jul 2021

Shaun Rice said:
I think most of the ‘bashing’ is towards the club. i see people frustrated at a lack of signings and rightly so yet again! i think KR is excellent at getting the most out of what he has. I think we miss out on our first and maybe second choice players for whatever reason. He is openly frustrated and no amount of rose glasses can wash over that.
Will he put a team together that will do well again? I have absolutely no doubt. But not having cover really cost us last season.
When ruffs and Atkinson were injured we were all over the place. go back if you wish and check our team sheets and results in those first games there is a direct alignment between poor results and inadequate cover. Poor long played all along the back line!
plus with no cover players are forced to play through pain when with cover they could take a game or so out and recover rather than injuring themselves further.

BUT i kept saying this at the time that we we unable to play the same back 5 and actually 6 with the much needed Gorrin and the importance of having a settled side but i was shot down.
Everyone was on the managers back for not this or that but as we're seeing right now we are weaker than then and what's been forgotten is Kr stating we may have to have a season or 2 out of the mix before going again.

n1 · 19 Jul 2021

3 weeks to go....2 signings per week = 6 new players

Wishful thinking?!

battman · 19 Jul 2021

horseman said:
Then sorry but it's not Oxford United or any other club for that matter as it's just a feeder club. Nobody likes the mickey mouse cup but what would the reaction be when the top clubs get their under 21 23's into the League pyramid.

By all means top up with loans if you must but not 5/6 that wont be near the place next season it's just pointless and what you going to do if the scenario above comes to fruition?

if our Managers acknowledges that last seasons squad was weaker than the one before and yet again we see players leave/sold or not return it's logical that we're weaker still. I keep saying it there are 11/12 clubs with promotion prospects + the odd 1 or 2 that surprise When you're 15-20 + pts from the Autos you have to address it You have to improve not weaken.

Remember when Mapp warned that other clubs were now fishing in the same waters, just because other clubs use 5/6 loans don't mean you "must" also.

We're a League One club, of course we're going to be a feeder side to some of the larger clubs. Loans are also incredibly cheap compared to permanent signings: no transfer fees, signing on fees or agent fees, and a lot of times a fraction of the wage a player's currently on. To dismiss loan signings because they leave after a year is barbaric considering we've had permanent signings that have stuck around for less time.

Just imagine if we'd have signed Grayson on a permanent because the manager hated loans. We'd now be stuck with a player who's League Two level at best. Instead, because of the loan system we can simply send them back. Loans may have their cons, but you're completely overlooking any possible pros because the players don't seem to stick around forever, and that's a baffling way to look at modern football.

Foley · 19 Jul 2021

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bazzer9461 said:
But maybe there is a problem with said takeover all they need to do is take over the club unless they are looking to purchase the land around the stadium as well as the stadium which might be the stumbling block, but then ITK’s have stated that we would be moving from Grenoble road so who knows?

I don't think that you have to be ITK to realise that there is no way that we will want to stay at Grenoble Road. There have been many posts showing how this makes no financial sense (unless Kassam becomes far more generous- pretty unlikely)

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