Manager/Coach KREXIT: The 'Robbo Out' thread.

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We have a striker in Dan Agyei who performed well against Portsmouth and also looked good in the few desultory minutes he got against Ipswich. Maybe give him more of a chance? I’m not saying start him, just give him 20-30 mins at the end of a game!
This is what I’ve never understood. People started calling for Dan Agyei to get minutes back in January when it became clear that Mackie could barely even run anymore, yet was starting every other game while Agyei couldn’t get off the bench, or sometimes even get on it. That’s because he is a striker, which is the position Mackie was occupying. He was signed and announced as a striker, he got a few appearances for Burnley (who wanted to keep him) as a striker, he has always played as a striker before coming here... he is a striker. That is where he plays. It’s all been a bit Jamie “he’s a right back, please believe me” Hanson with him ever since. Agyei is visibly uncomfortable every time he’s shoved out wide and that clearly affects his confidence and in turn his performance, and often makes us worse because he can’t track wide areas defensively and gets the ball in much tighter areas than he would prefer. Yet on the rare occasions he gets a go in the middle he presses centre backs, scraps for the ball and likes to try to turn into open spaces and get a run on, which also gives us the ability to switch things up and not just go like for like. Which is what a squad is supposed to offer you, right? Multiple options to play in different ways if need be? It’s almost like centre forward is where he’s most familiar with playing and is most comfortable being. So why is getting him even a handful of cameos in that position so difficult after an entire year?

It’s fascinating how a few people going, “Why don’t we give that striker a few minutes since Mackie is clearly knackered - the one we signed from a Premier League club on a three year contract?” has led to such a bizarre saga. Plus it’s weird that a few people seem so offended by him, purely because he’s a source of questioning. I’ve never seen that before - it’s like some people want him to fail because they’d rather back the manager than see the team succeed with Agyei contributing positively. Nobody thinks the guy is the next Pele, they just want to see if he’s any good playing in his actual position. Imagine if when we’d signed Lundstram, Ledson, Rothwell and the like - young players on permanent deals from Premiership clubs - we’d done this with them. Just refused to play them for more than a few minutes here and there, and whenever they got on they were chucked at left back before having to listen to their manager saying that bringing them on made the team play worse. Perhaps someone else is the issue there? Someone who insists on constantly playing somebody out of position to make some kind of weird point, or possibly even to stitch him up so they can move him on without anybody caring. How about even if he only plays 15 minutes every other game, he gets those 15 minutes in his best position and in a role which doesn’t actively risk making the team play worse? Because how could intentionally playing somebody somewhere you know they can’t play, and which puts the team at risk for good measure, possibly be a good idea? At what point does the person choosing to make changes they know don’t benefit the team have to take responsibility for that? It’s like watching somebody constantly hitting a wall with a hammer and going, “Look at that. Shocking. Every time it gets a whack a couple of bricks come off.” Well stop bloody hitting it then! Stop blaming the hammer - it doesn’t swing itself!

I’m off for a pint. Think I’ll pass on the scotch egg, mind.
 
We have a striker in Dan Agyei who performed well against Portsmouth and also looked good in the few desultory minutes he got against Ipswich. Maybe give him more of a chance? I’m not saying start him, just give him 20-30 mins at the end of a game!

This is especially important right now. We have a few players who aren't, for whatever reason, able to last 90 minutes and Matty Taylor is one of those.

The only central striking option to Matty Taylor is Dan Agyei. It can be a straight swap with one player offering something different to the other. We've even seen it work from time to time. Burton away last year saw Agyei play down the middle and he scored a textbook central striker's goal with a straight run and finish.
 
Part of the problem for Agyei right now is that no one is performing in the winger slots, so it's a big temptation to stick agyei in as an inside forward. And when he does get minutes at CF there's naff all supply. Hopefully Obita will resolve that soon.
 
Part of the problem for Agyei right now is that no one is performing in the winger slots, so it's a big temptation to stick agyei in as an inside forward. And when he does get minutes at CF there's naff all supply. Hopefully Obita will resolve that soon.
Probably because one of our best wingers has been playing at right back too
 
More a case of "nuff said" ..on a 5 minute forum!
Agreed, and NW probably took up the lion's share of the 9 or 10 minutes. However, KR usually gives a bit more than a yes or no and neither he or Radox tend to worry about rigorously keeping to time.

Just a gut feeling but we seem far from the strongly united camp that was one of our strengths last season.
 
Part of the problem for Agyei right now is that no one is performing in the winger slots, so it's a big temptation to stick agyei in as an inside forward. And when he does get minutes at CF there's naff all supply. Hopefully Obita will resolve that soon.

Which is amazing considering we have so many players who can play that position. We were warned by Charlton and MK Dons fans on his arrival that he liked his wingers, but it's an impressive record to have so many wingers in a squad and none of them are performing.
 
Maybe we should be asking the Owner what he is expecting from Robbo. Last year we flogged Whyte (as well as losing Nelson), then Baptiste and Fosu and got away with it, this year we have flogged Dickie. Maybe getting away with it is Plan A.
The money was there to sign a replacement for Dickie, selling Whyte is part of the model and Fosu didn't want to be here in the first place. The only real thing you can blame the ownership for is the timing of the Baptiste and Fosu sales, but with hindsight you can't say that that wasn't the right thing to do for the future of the football club.

Karl is in a position that most managers would dream of. No pressure on his job no matter how badly he starts a season, a budget to be competitive in the league and brand new top class training facilities for a club of this level. I don't know what more the owners could do to help him win football games.
 
Was it? I don't doubt you but there's no evidence either way so difficult to take this as fact

I'm pretty sure Karl said words to the effect of still having money to spend a few weeks ago, when the talk of getting in a new defender in was happening. And if Karl didn't feel like he was being given enough funds, he'd let slip in an interview, wouldn't he? He's not the sort to hold back on that sort of thing. The lack of a Dickie replacement is squarely down to the manager, who thought that an inexperienced Moore, a crocked Mousinho, a rookie Atkinson and our right back Sam Long was strong enough, even though everyone could see it wasn't.
 
I'm pretty sure Karl said words to the effect of still having money to spend a few weeks ago, when the talk of getting in a new defender in was happening. And if Karl didn't feel like he was being given enough funds, he'd let slip in an interview, wouldn't he? He's not the sort to hold back on that sort of thing. The lack of a Dickie replacement is squarely down to the manager, who thought that an inexperienced Moore, a crocked Mousinho, a rookie Atkinson and our right back Sam Long was strong enough, even though everyone could see it wasn't.
Once again Big difference between money being available, right player/s being identified who fit in to the new salary cap and wanted to come here.
 
Once again Big difference between money being available, right player/s being identified who fit in to the new salary cap and wanted to come here.
There's plenty of space in the salary cap too. If Karl wanted a CB he wouldn't have said publicly that he didn't want to sign another centre half but another winger instead. You can try to find excuses for him all you like, but this is all down to him.
 
I'm pretty sure Karl said words to the effect of still having money to spend a few weeks ago, when the talk of getting in a new defender in was happening. And if Karl didn't feel like he was being given enough funds, he'd let slip in an interview, wouldn't he? He's not the sort to hold back on that sort of thing. The lack of a Dickie replacement is squarely down to the manager, who thought that an inexperienced Moore, a crocked Mousinho, a rookie Atkinson and our right back Sam Long was strong enough, even though everyone could see it wasn't.

Although the inexperienced Moore, the rookie Atkinson and Sam Long back at right back have coincided with our best defensive performances over the last few weeks. In fact, it is the experience and ever reliable Josh Ruffels who is now looking the weak link in an otherwise decent defence.
 
I cant bring myself to listen to Karls interviews atm, Im assuming hes taking no blame for the last two performances. I would like to think Mous would be a good conduit between the players and the management but I havent seen much evidence of that yet. Its very hard to tell wether its a happy camp at the moment.
 
There's plenty of space in the salary cap too. If Karl wanted a CB he wouldn't have said publicly that he didn't want to sign another centre half but another winger instead. You can try to find excuses for him all you like, but this is all down to him.
Find excuses for him? i would suggest just like yourself i'm voicing an opinion.

Another of My opinions which i've stated since day one is That Rob Atkinson is class and could go on to achieve the level of a certain Matt Elliott

I've also stated we've barely been able to name a settled back 5 (6 with Gorrin) and also the inexperience of Moore and Atkinson are not the reason we've conceded goals.
 
Although the inexperienced Moore, the rookie Atkinson and Sam Long back at right back have coincided with our best defensive performances over the last few weeks. In fact, it is the experience and ever reliable Josh Ruffels who is now looking the weak link in an otherwise decent defence.

If you think that's good, just imagine what could've been had we signed an experienced head to play alongside them!
 
Find excuses for him? i would suggest just like yourself i'm voicing an opinion.
Where have I said you weren't voicing your opinion? Your opinion is that he should stay so you're finding reasons to justify that, I just think you're reaching too hard to find excuses for him, that's all.
 
I wonder after today's performance the penny's beginning to drop? Players playing in their right positions, decent substitutions....

Although it all falls apart if one of the back four gets injured and Taylor's knackered after 65 minutes and needs replacing with our other striker then, not with 5 minutes left.

Why do we have to spend the first third of every season struggling while Robinson tries to figure out how to play? Bloody frustrating and nerve-shredding.
 
I wonder after today's performance the penny's beginning to drop? Players playing in their right positions, decent substitutions....

Although it all falls apart if one of the back four gets injured and Taylor's knackered after 65 minutes and needs replacing with our other striker then, not with 5 minutes left.

Why do we have to spend the first third of every season struggling while Robinson tries to figure out how to play? Bloody frustrating and nerve-shredding.
Because he’s a self-defeating plonker, who if he just put square pegs in square holes and built a balanced squad in the summer would achieve a hell of a lot more than he actually does when you look under the bonnet. As it stands he still spends too much time trying what he wants to work, rather than what will actually have the best chance of doing so. Then people start giving him slaps and shouting at him and his ego doesn’t get stroked enough, so he changes things up which makes them improve fairly quickly. This is usually when the people who criticise him get told they’re wrong and are somehow being shown up by his performance, even though they’ve ultimately been proven right because it was only when he changed like they wanted him to that things improved.

This bus is never late, but at least it might have actually arrived for this season. Good thing you’re old enough to not have to pay.
 
Because he’s a self-defeating plonker, who if he just put square pegs in square holes and built a balanced squad in the summer would achieve a hell of a lot more than he actually does when you look under the bonnet. As it stands he still spends too much time trying what he wants to work, rather than what will actually have the best chance of doing so. Then people start giving him slaps and shouting at him and his ego doesn’t get stroked enough, so he changes things up which makes them improve fairly quickly. This is usually when the people who criticise him get told they’re wrong and are somehow being shown up by his performance, even though they’ve ultimately been proven right because it was only when he changed like they wanted him to that things improved.

This bus is never late, but at least it might have actually arrived for this season. Good thing you’re old enough to not have to pay.
Spot on
 
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