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The difficulty I have is that the BLM movement seem to make "martyrs" of bad people (that happen to be black) who have interacted with bad Police officers (who happen to be white) with a bad outcome (death mostly).

To me that means there are bad people problems, irrespective of colour.

The movement holds no truck with me in the UK where the law is applied very fairly in probably 99% of public interactions thanks to policing by consent.

Once a movement wants to "de-fund" the law keepers who do they expect to fill the gap? Conveniently as they try and undermine society based on colour...
 
Essexyellows said:
The difficulty I have is that the BLM movement seem to make "martyrs" of bad people (that happen to be black) who have interacted with bad Police officers (who happen to be white) with a bad outcome (death mostly).

To me that means there are bad people problems, irrespective of colour.

The movement holds no truck with me in the UK where the law is applied very fairly in probably 99% of public interactions thanks to policing by consent.

Once a movement wants to "de-fund" the law keepers who do they expect to fill the gap? Conveniently as they try and undermine society based on colour...
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Even as someone who works in the business, I would say that the law is probably not applied fairly in 99% of cases regardless of race.
 
I’ve read most of this thread and try to keep out so as not to offend anyone. Caucasian people have their ways Black people have their ways and people from the BAME community have their ways...its just a thing, however their are various ethnicity groups who all have different religious beliefs which cause a lot of problems between different ethnicity groups.
I do think this BLM was right especially after the unnecessary death of George Floyd and the police officer who had his knee on his neck should be tried accordingly. But I do think the BLM has now run its course for the time being, and I think the kneeling before kick off should now cease, a point had been made.
However people Have wrote on threads that can be taken out of context and accusations are banded about.
I myself a couple of years back made some comments and I didn’t realise that mine could be taken out of context as they weee I got called a few things racist being one of which I’m not. Things written and people’s thoughts on what has been written can be taken the wrong way whether ( and I hope I’m right ) they're not being racist with what they wrote maybe some people should read the post a bit more closer likewise people writing their posts should look at what they’re writing.
Some of the issues now whether they’re on BLM March or another March these are being hijacked by extremists which cause most of the problems.
 
The kneeling should probably now stop for those that don't want to do it. We've seen in formula one that it can be done, despite the backlash that comes with it. Perhaps the faux show of "I am against the bad thing" statements and interviews can stop too, it's overly corporatised and meaningless.

Forget about BLM, they're just another Extinction Rebellion. Soon to be replaced by the next set of liberal rioters.
 
I'm all for BLM but the knee should not become a part of the opening of all sports events. If it carries on like this it will eventually become a meaningless ritual. I'm reminded of American students quoting the pledge of allegiance as if it is a memory test rather than a commitment to ideals
 
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French cop kicks Briton's head during arrest for 'not wearing mask'

Footage taken by fellow passengers shows the 42-year-old Englishman struggling on the ground while being detained by two officers at the station in Orleans.
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It's a good job this guy is white. Who knew you fail to comply and the police treat you accordingly. There would be riots if the violent offender was black and I don't mean the cops in this instance.
 
Scotchegg said:
Could you also provide a link to the "BLM people" or anyone else jumping on this? I do not recall any race issues being mentioned at the time.
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It's not difficult Google it .
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Who is Belly Mujinga, the face of BLM protests in UK? | CNN

Protesters across the UK are chanting for George Floyd as well Belly Mujinga, a black essential worker who died of Covid-19. Galvanized by the Black Lives Matter movement, her case has prompted more people in the UK to call for social justice. CNN's Salma Abdelaziz reports.
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How You Can Help Demand Justice for Belly Mujinga

Mujinga died of COVID-19 after being spat at while at work.
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Mojofilter said:
Something is quite suspect at people trying very very hard to undermine a black rights movement. Almost as if some people were against black rights
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I think youre getting mixed up with people who think that ALL people should have the SAME rights....i really cant see a problem with that?????
 
BLM must be a bit confused this morning,a black man dies at the hands of the police while at the time the police chief is black,the police chief resigns after protests and another black police chief takes over ....then theres a party held by and for black people and other black people crash the party and all start shooting at each other leaving 2 dead and 14 wounded......they havent actually officially said the colour of the different partys revellers yet but........................ NOW...are there gonna be demonstrations?? who are they gonna blame now??.....I think its time to look at your oh sooooo offended community and ask a few questions.
 
Scotchegg said:
Even as someone who works in the business, I would say that the law is probably not applied fairly in 99% of cases regardless of race.
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That’s quite a broad brush generalisation of the state of our legal system. Can you be more specific?
 
Eaststanding said:
That’s quite a broad brush generalisation of the state of our legal system. Can you be more specific?
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The original statement was that our legal system was fair 99% of the time and therefore showed no racial bias.

I suggested that the inequalities within our legal system were not as fair as that, especially for the poor. Justice can be bought, either explicitly through access to the best lawyers, or less so through appearance. A well spoken man in a smart suit with a top legal team has more chance than a poorly educated, badly dressed man from the streets with the duty solicitor. Women receive sentences far lower than men, and significantly lower numbers go to prison. And this is before any unconscious bias or racial inequalities come into play.

So whilst our police and justice system are far better than many other countries, there is still a long way to go before we could say that it was fair.
 
Scotchegg said:
The original statement was that our legal system was fair 99% of the time and therefore showed no racial bias.

I suggested that the inequalities within our legal system were not as fair as that, especially for the poor. Justice can be bought, either explicitly through access to the best lawyers, or less so through appearance. A well spoken man in a smart suit with a top legal team has more chance than a poorly educated, badly dressed man from the streets with the duty solicitor. Women receive sentences far lower than men, and significantly lower numbers go to prison. And this is before any unconscious bias or racial inequalities come into play.

So whilst our police and justice system are far better than many other countries, there is still a long way to go before we could say that it was fair.
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the law is probably not applied fairly in 99% of cases .................thats what you said.....NOT!!!!..........thats a bit of a exagerated figure you seem to have just plucked from the air.
 
cassox said:
the law is probably not applied fairly in 99% of cases .................thats what you said.....NOT!!!!..........thats a bit of a exagerated figure you seem to have just plucked from the air.
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@cassox taking something out of context, who'd have thought!!!!

It must be hardwork being so ignorant!!
 
Scotchegg said:
The original statement was that our legal system was fair 99% of the time and therefore showed no racial bias.

I suggested that the inequalities within our legal system were not as fair as that, especially for the poor. Justice can be bought, either explicitly through access to the best lawyers, or less so through appearance. A well spoken man in a smart suit with a top legal team has more chance than a poorly educated, badly dressed man from the streets with the duty solicitor. Women receive sentences far lower than men, and significantly lower numbers go to prison. And this is before any unconscious bias or racial inequalities come into play.

So whilst our police and justice system are far better than many other countries, there is still a long way to go before we could say that it was fair.
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‘The movement holds no truck with me in the UK where the law is applied very fairly in probably 99% of public interactions thanks to policing by consent‘
This was @Essexyellows quote, and is based on public interaction with the police, ie stop and search, a small example of how the law might be applied to the public and of the entire legal system that you represented in your post.
I don’t necessarily disagree with your views on prejudice and bias in the legal system, and those biases or inequalities would apply to a lesser or greater extent in any country’s system anywhere in the world, but the attitude and approach of the British police to the public is, thankfully, based on consent and although it may not be as high as 99%, it will be fairly applied to a significantly higher % than the U.S.
 
Eaststanding said:
‘The movement holds no truck with me in the UK where the law is applied very fairly in probably 99% of public interactions thanks to policing by consent‘
This was @Essexyellows quote, and is based on public interaction with the police, ie stop and search, a small example of how the law might be applied to the public and of the entire legal system that you represented in your post.
I don’t necessarily disagree with your views on prejudice and bias in the legal system, and those biases or inequalities would apply to a lesser or greater extent in any country’s system anywhere in the world, but the attitude and approach of the British police to the public is, thankfully, based on consent and although it may not be as high as 99%, it will be fairly applied to a significantly higher % than the U.S.
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And that was the point I was making. Our police and justice systems are better than many other countries, but fairness depends on who is involved.

Look at policing of football fans compared to policing of rugby or music events. A couple of years ago I watched England v South Africa and v Australia at Twickenham, and between the two, Oxford v Coventry at the Kassam. Which game had the bigger police presence? Which game presented the most restrictions?

My background never changed, I did not become more or less law abiding depending on the sport I was watching. But I was judged on the actions of others from years before that decides that football fans are a greater risk to society than rugby fans.

Is that fair?

Now less suppose that we swap the football fans for young black guys, and the rugby fans for young white men. And they are judged on the actions of others, regardless of their behaviours?

That is the problem that some members of society feel, and where we need to do more to create equality.

Just because we are better than other countries doesn't mean that we haven't got more work to do.
 
Scotchegg said:
And that was the point I was making. Our police and justice systems are better than many other countries, but fairness depends on who is involved.

Look at policing of football fans compared to policing of rugby or music events. A couple of years ago I watched England v South Africa and v Australia at Twickenham, and between the two, Oxford v Coventry at the Kassam. Which game had the bigger police presence? Which game presented the most restrictions?

My background never changed, I did not become more or less law abiding depending on the sport I was watching. But I was judged on the actions of others from years before that decides that football fans are a greater risk to society than rugby fans.

Is that fair?

Now less suppose that we swap the football fans for young black guys, and the rugby fans for young white men. And they are judged on the actions of others, regardless of their behaviours?

That is the problem that some members of society feel, and where we need to do more to create equality.

Just because we are better than other countries doesn't mean that we haven't got more work to do.
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And as we all know, that is a conversation that has been and will be ongoing around the world for centuries to come.
Inequality, and / or perceived inequality, dictate responses and actions that will or won’t be seen as fair by someone at some point. If only we had all those answers, we wouldn’t be posting on a football forum about it now eh?!
 
Eaststanding said:
And as we all know, that is a conversation that has been and will be ongoing around the world for centuries to come.
Inequality, and / or perceived inequality, dictate responses and actions that will or won’t be seen as fair by someone at some point. If only we had all those answers, we wouldn’t be posting on a football forum about it now eh?!
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Totally agree. My point was that fairness in a system is very subjective depending on your own experiences.

99% of rugby fans may say that sporting events are policed well, as 99% of white, middle class football fans on a superior football forum may say that policing in general is fair.

Others may have very different views, and they shouldn't be ignored just because they don't apply to us.
 
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