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Any thoughts about death threats being made to sports stars for not taking the knee. Mine are that until colour is removed from this whole discussion it won’t stop (it completely divides people in several ways). Life is about respect for people and their property. History can not be removed or replaced and needs to be learned from across the globe.

I've been trying to process this post in my head for over 12 hours now.

Primarily, I would say that of course sports stars should not feel obliged to take the knee, or be hounded for it if they do not. Most of those who opted against doing so have come out with statements committing themselves to the fight against racism anyway.

You'd like colour to be removed from this conversation. The conversation about perceived racism and colour-based prejudice.

Life is about respect for people. And a section of the general population feel like they aren't respected due a genetic feature of themselves that they cannot - nor would ever want to - change.

They would also like to get to a stage where colour is not a part of the conversation. You say that history needs to be learned, but want to remove an integral part of their history from the conversation, by removing colour from the conversation, you deny a teaching of the history of subjugation and then discrimination they experienced for centuries, and how it feeds into the state of play in modern times.

It does completely divide people in several ways. The fix is not to get people to back down and not have the conversation. The fix is to have the conversation now, in one big go, so that this can be one large opportunity to teach, to understand, to accept, and to look at how to move forward.
 
I've been trying to process this post in my head for over 12 hours now.

Primarily, I would say that of course sports stars should not feel obliged to take the knee, or be hounded for it if they do not. Most of those who opted against doing so have come out with statements committing themselves to the fight against racism anyway.

You'd like colour to be removed from this conversation. The conversation about perceived racism and colour-based prejudice.

Life is about respect for people. And a section of the general population feel like they aren't respected due a genetic feature of themselves that they cannot - nor would ever want to - change.

They would also like to get to a stage where colour is not a part of the conversation. You say that history needs to be learned, but want to remove an integral part of their history from the conversation, by removing colour from the conversation, you deny a teaching of the history of subjugation and then discrimination they experienced for centuries, and how it feeds into the state of play in modern times.

It does completely divide people in several ways. The fix is not to get people to back down and not have the conversation. The fix is to have the conversation now, in one big go, so that this can be one large opportunity to teach, to understand, to accept, and to look at how to move forward.

Unfortunately there has been no conversation and I don't think there ever will be. Instead, it appears to be a one way lecture on how white people must act, talk, and denounce their own identity on an onward basis. Any dissenting voices are racists and bigots, incapable of rational thought.

Once this changes (it won't for as long as social media exists), perhaps the conversation can begin.
 
Looking forward to police regularly stopping elected representative Essex Yellows "because his number plate is similar to a vehicle registered in Yorkshire" the day after he criticises the Metropolitian Police.

Also to Essex Yellows regularly receiving death threats, and physical threats to their staff, and being accused of being racist for speaking out on the issue.
 
Interesting how many of the people who say "all lives matter" clearly don't think all lives matter..

Also how those complaining about "one way lectures" seem to be very keen on lecturing others- and only one way,
 
Poor bashamwonderland whose sense of self is apparently so fragile that any discussion or questioning of the history or current role of any aspect of British history or the role of any British institution makes him feel that he is being asked to denounce his own identity. And what an odd identity it is too, vested in the right of police offices to stop MP's, and insisting in cities which you don't live in to continue to display bad statues of slave traders erected in the late 19th century
 
Civil War.

A dangerous & divisive road to follow. However if you say "all lives matter" you are "part of the problem".......
No, you're not part of the 'problem', you just choose not to see the issue being addressed. Of course, all lives matter, that goes without saying - BLM sought and seeks to say that isn't the case for many people of BAME origin. Hopefully we're not returning to some of the nasty racially oriented comments you've posted previously.
 
Looking forward to police regularly stopping elected representative Essex Yellows "because his number plate is similar to a vehicle registered in Yorkshire" the day after he criticises the Metropolitian Police.

Also to Essex Yellows regularly receiving death threats, and physical threats to their staff, and being accused of being racist for speaking out on the issue.

If you want to tag folk try @YellowTaxi .

Shockingly this "middle aged, white, entitled, male" has been stopped in my own car by the police!!! Shocking, outrageous racial profiling!!
Perfectly pleasant exchange, seems there was a similar vehicle on cloned plates being used to commit crime.
Documents produced, 5 minute delay and on my way.
Maybe I should have pulled out my phone and videoed an argument that didn`t need to happen?

I work in the NHS, death threats by obnoxious drug & drink induced knobs go with the job. ?

As I said all lives matter........... dividing the conversation based on skin colour is.......ermm.......... racist.
 
No, you're not part of the 'problem', you just choose not to see the issue being addressed. Of course, all lives matter, that goes without saying - BLM sought and seeks to say that isn't the case for many people of BAME origin. Hopefully we're not returning to some of the nasty racially oriented comments you've posted previously.

There you go again, leaping into the "closet racist" bin.

If I state something factual such as Covid being prevalent amongst the Asian community in the City and the reasons for it that is not "racist".
It is stating a reality and the reasons for it. The problem is compounded because Councils & Healthcare people are scared to say it how it is, because of the fear of the "racist" finger being pointed, just like you have, so the community carries on and people die.

I have no issues with race, gender, sexuality etc etc or legal migration and people that wish to integrate into the society they want to part of for a better life.

I do have an issue when the "rights" of minorities are deemed to out-weigh the majority of society.
 
If someone points out that black people are disproportionately stopped by the police then that’s also stating a fact.

Why do you put the word “rights“ in quotation marks when speaks of minorities? Are you suggesting that minorities don’t have rights, or shouldn’t have rights?

Why do you claim that the rights of any citizen “out-weighs” the majority of society? What do you mean? Please give examples.
 
There you go again, leaping into the "closet racist" bin.

If I state something factual such as Covid being prevalent amongst the Asian community in the City and the reasons for it that is not "racist".
It is stating a reality and the reasons for it. The problem is compounded because Councils & Healthcare people are scared to say it how it is, because of the fear of the "racist" finger being pointed, just like you have, so the community carries on and people die.

I have no issues with race, gender, sexuality etc etc or legal migration and people that wish to integrate into the society they want to part of for a better life.

I do have an issue when the "rights" of minorities are deemed to out-weigh the majority of society.
That wasn't particularly on my mind - you had some valid points informed by your proximity to Leicester and your profession. Typically, it was more your Trumpian dismissal of the trouble at the BLM march as both sides being 'as bad as each other' or another comment regarding Nelson Mandela, or the staunch defence of the symbols of slavery as being our history and that's that.
 
As I said all lives matter........... dividing the conversation based on skin colour is.......ermm.......... racist.
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I have no issues with race, gender, sexuality etc etc or legal migration and people that wish to integrate into the society they want to part of for a better life.

I do have an issue when the "rights" of minorities are deemed to out-weigh the majority of society.

Can you not see any validity whatsoever in the arguments of the BLM movement? Do you believe 100% that it's incorrect and ignorant of them to be making the arguments they're making? Every single one?
 
Can you not see any validity whatsoever in the arguments of the BLM movement? Do you believe 100% that it's incorrect and ignorant of them to be making the arguments they're making? Every single one?

Of course I can see the validity, but I can also see the wider picture.

Most recent bloke who got shot in the States, talks to the police on the pavement, starts acting aggressively, then walks around the front of the car to the drivers side where he could very easily pull a gun or use the car as a weapon.
Now that doesn`t give the police the right to shoot him 7 times in the back by any stretch, they failed once he got round the front of the car.
They could have stopped it far,far sooner and so could he!

George Floyd..... big unit, on drugs with previous could have just held his hands up and sorted it out calmly... he escalated it and so did the copper. The copper went too far.

There are two sides to every interaction, if you start of with a chip on your shoulder and acting aggressively its only going one way from there and it might not end well.

When it comes to history then sorry it has happened, we learn from it but can not wind back a mysterious clock and start again. Society has to move forward and learn.
 
If someone points out that black people are disproportionately stopped by the police then that’s also stating a fact.

Why do you put the word “rights“ in quotation marks when speaks of minorities? Are you suggesting that minorities don’t have rights, or shouldn’t have rights?

Why do you claim that the rights of any citizen “out-weighs” the majority of society? What do you mean? Please give examples.

There is a simple rule book of 30 Human Rights. You can read it here: https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
As soon as people ask for more than the basics because of their individual position they frequently link it to their Human Rights when it is not necessarily correct to do so.
There are many cases where people have attempted to use Human Rights to support their minority cause to the detriment/cost of the majority of society.
Some have won, many have lost.

I give you one further example.... positive discrimination. When someone is deemed more appropriate for a job based on gender or race not ability.

The playing field should be level for all irrespective of any protected characteristics, that is a fair society.
 
I can see the wider picture

Middle aged White bloke in Leicester seems to be blaming black victims for being killed by the police.

How do you think black people in the US should behave given they have a realistic expectation that any encounter with the police may end in their being shot?
 
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