werthersoriginal
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I’ve moved on! We finished third, that’s great. Shame we didn’t go up but hey ho
How to complete the season
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Junior_1
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Would make up for our lack of promotion.. always the victims would never sound so sweet.
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The solution is happening from the bottom of the pyramid upwards.
National League next, then us in the EFL.
The longer we have to wait the more realistic it is that this season is binned.
Of course the PL want to finish at all costs........because its about ££££`s.
Many folk are fast learning that ££££`s isn`t that important and how they behave towards others in this crisis is more important. Some are definitely not covering themselves in glory and might well pay a hefty price when this is all settled.
National League next, then us in the EFL.
The longer we have to wait the more realistic it is that this season is binned.
Of course the PL want to finish at all costs........because its about ££££`s.
Many folk are fast learning that ££££`s isn`t that important and how they behave towards others in this crisis is more important. Some are definitely not covering themselves in glory and might well pay a hefty price when this is all settled.
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Just to think of the amount of Legal challenges there would be
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All null and void, National/Global emergency supersedes any money grabbing parasitic lawyers.
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wont stop em trying thoughAll null and void, National/Global emergency supersedes any money grabbing parasitic lawyers.
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Yup; think you’re right.
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Statement from South Shields, worth a read. If they're considering legal action just imagine what the Leeds and Liverpools of the world will do...
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Over recent weeks the coronavirus outbreak has reminded us all – as if we needed it – that football is just a game.
Health must always take priority over sport and this is a virus which does not discriminate. It has affected us all and there is rightly huge worry over health and livelihoods across the world.
Our strong belief is that football will have a key part to play when life eventually returns to normal, whenever that will be.
Football binds so many of us together and is important to so many lives. Not important in the grand scheme of life and health, but important nonetheless. It provides a release to so many people once or twice a week and individuals the world over dedicate much of their lives to following their team and striving for every ounce of joy it brings. At its best it is a simply joyful game.
For that reason, we make no apology for making our feelings regarding the FA’s decision to declare the 2019-20 season null and void from step three of the non-league system downwards known.
As has been well-documented, ahead of the season being paused as a result of the coronavirus outbreak just 10 days ago South Shields sat top of the BetVictor Northern Premier Division, 12 points clear of our nearest rivals with nine games to play.
We will now never know how the remainder of the campaign would have played out but we have full confidence that our outstanding players and management would have completed the job and sealed promotion to National League North.
To have that prospect snatched away so quickly is something all players and staff at the club are finding understandably difficult to comprehend.
We do not understand the rush there has been among many quarters of the non-league game to conclude the season so quickly.
We recognise that many clubs simply do not have the resources to continue paying players and staff during an enforced lay-off such as this, with so much uncertainty over when football will return. But would it not have been more prudent to keep the season suspended until it is safe to return, end contracts as they would usually end following the completion of the season, allow clubs to re-assemble squads when the situation is more clear and then complete this campaign when the opportunity arises?
The FA’s decision has effectively punished those clubs further down the non-league system which have strived tirelessly over the last six months to progress up the pyramid. We stand alongside the many other clubs which find themselves in a similar situation and have already opened dialogue with some of them regarding the best way forward. We will write to the FA in the strongest possible terms so they are left in no uncertainty as to our feelings, and will seek to appeal if there is a mechanism to do so. If the response does not satisfy us we will seek legal advice.
We will seek clarification over whether, with all of the results of the 2019-20 season now annulled, all fines paid to the FA as a result of players picking up yellow and red cards in those matches will now be reimbursed. We will seek clarification over whether the FA will now refund all tickets bought by supporters for those annulled games. We will seek clarification over whether the FA will reimburse the costs accrued by clubs over the last six months for coach travel to away fixtures, which in our case equates to approximately £20,000. We have several other questions and look forward to the FA’s reply.
A further concern of ours is that, should coronavirus be ‘beaten’ over the summer months only to return in a frightening second wave next winter, results next season will also be annulled. It is our strong suggestion that the FA rule book is amended now so that such injustices do not occur again in the future. If seasons cannot be completed, we strongly disagree that they should be consigned to the history books. There are fairer ways to draw a line under things, including applying a points per game ratio to the standings and potentially promoting those in promotion positions and sparing those in relegation spots, leading to some leagues being slightly larger in number the following campaign.
We look forward with interest to see which way the National League season is finalised. What is the reason the FA has allowed step three of the non-league system downwards to be cut off from the pyramid in this way?
We also look ahead with interest to see which way other leagues higher up the pyramid – particularly the Premier League – are concluded should no more football be possible. Will the Premier League also be null and void should this happen?
The 2019-20 season taught us plenty, on and off the pitch. We would like to pay a huge tribute to everyone who played a part in it, from our players and staff to our outstanding supporters, sponsors and volunteers. Your backing is incredible and we are sorry the conclusion to the season is not the one you all deserved. We are even more determined to go again next season and give it absolutely everything we have got to secure promotion in 2020-21, so please keep the faith.
We face huge challenges financially over the summer months and hugely appreciate all those who have shown incredible commitment to the club over recent weeks by purchasing early bird season tickets, merchandise and making donations. You will all get the opportunity to buy shares in the club once the current uncertain situation becomes more clear, as we have promised previously.
We do not know when the 2020-21 season will begin. That will be determined by how the current worldwide health crisis develops over the coming months.
We are hugely looking forward to the day football returns to Mariners Park and we are able to see our supporters again. The next few months are going to be very long for more than one reason but we will be back, and are confident you will be too.
Please continue to abide by Government advice and stay at home as much as you possibly can. There will be a day when this virus is an awful memory but there are, of course, many difficult days ahead. Thank you once again for your continued support and please, please stay safe. We wish you and your families the very best of health. There are much better days ahead.
______________________
Over recent weeks the coronavirus outbreak has reminded us all – as if we needed it – that football is just a game.
Health must always take priority over sport and this is a virus which does not discriminate. It has affected us all and there is rightly huge worry over health and livelihoods across the world.
Our strong belief is that football will have a key part to play when life eventually returns to normal, whenever that will be.
Football binds so many of us together and is important to so many lives. Not important in the grand scheme of life and health, but important nonetheless. It provides a release to so many people once or twice a week and individuals the world over dedicate much of their lives to following their team and striving for every ounce of joy it brings. At its best it is a simply joyful game.
For that reason, we make no apology for making our feelings regarding the FA’s decision to declare the 2019-20 season null and void from step three of the non-league system downwards known.
As has been well-documented, ahead of the season being paused as a result of the coronavirus outbreak just 10 days ago South Shields sat top of the BetVictor Northern Premier Division, 12 points clear of our nearest rivals with nine games to play.
We will now never know how the remainder of the campaign would have played out but we have full confidence that our outstanding players and management would have completed the job and sealed promotion to National League North.
To have that prospect snatched away so quickly is something all players and staff at the club are finding understandably difficult to comprehend.
We do not understand the rush there has been among many quarters of the non-league game to conclude the season so quickly.
We recognise that many clubs simply do not have the resources to continue paying players and staff during an enforced lay-off such as this, with so much uncertainty over when football will return. But would it not have been more prudent to keep the season suspended until it is safe to return, end contracts as they would usually end following the completion of the season, allow clubs to re-assemble squads when the situation is more clear and then complete this campaign when the opportunity arises?
The FA’s decision has effectively punished those clubs further down the non-league system which have strived tirelessly over the last six months to progress up the pyramid. We stand alongside the many other clubs which find themselves in a similar situation and have already opened dialogue with some of them regarding the best way forward. We will write to the FA in the strongest possible terms so they are left in no uncertainty as to our feelings, and will seek to appeal if there is a mechanism to do so. If the response does not satisfy us we will seek legal advice.
We will seek clarification over whether, with all of the results of the 2019-20 season now annulled, all fines paid to the FA as a result of players picking up yellow and red cards in those matches will now be reimbursed. We will seek clarification over whether the FA will now refund all tickets bought by supporters for those annulled games. We will seek clarification over whether the FA will reimburse the costs accrued by clubs over the last six months for coach travel to away fixtures, which in our case equates to approximately £20,000. We have several other questions and look forward to the FA’s reply.
A further concern of ours is that, should coronavirus be ‘beaten’ over the summer months only to return in a frightening second wave next winter, results next season will also be annulled. It is our strong suggestion that the FA rule book is amended now so that such injustices do not occur again in the future. If seasons cannot be completed, we strongly disagree that they should be consigned to the history books. There are fairer ways to draw a line under things, including applying a points per game ratio to the standings and potentially promoting those in promotion positions and sparing those in relegation spots, leading to some leagues being slightly larger in number the following campaign.
We look forward with interest to see which way the National League season is finalised. What is the reason the FA has allowed step three of the non-league system downwards to be cut off from the pyramid in this way?
We also look ahead with interest to see which way other leagues higher up the pyramid – particularly the Premier League – are concluded should no more football be possible. Will the Premier League also be null and void should this happen?
The 2019-20 season taught us plenty, on and off the pitch. We would like to pay a huge tribute to everyone who played a part in it, from our players and staff to our outstanding supporters, sponsors and volunteers. Your backing is incredible and we are sorry the conclusion to the season is not the one you all deserved. We are even more determined to go again next season and give it absolutely everything we have got to secure promotion in 2020-21, so please keep the faith.
We face huge challenges financially over the summer months and hugely appreciate all those who have shown incredible commitment to the club over recent weeks by purchasing early bird season tickets, merchandise and making donations. You will all get the opportunity to buy shares in the club once the current uncertain situation becomes more clear, as we have promised previously.
We do not know when the 2020-21 season will begin. That will be determined by how the current worldwide health crisis develops over the coming months.
We are hugely looking forward to the day football returns to Mariners Park and we are able to see our supporters again. The next few months are going to be very long for more than one reason but we will be back, and are confident you will be too.
Please continue to abide by Government advice and stay at home as much as you possibly can. There will be a day when this virus is an awful memory but there are, of course, many difficult days ahead. Thank you once again for your continued support and please, please stay safe. We wish you and your families the very best of health. There are much better days ahead.
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speculation here that FIFA will extend contracts until the season is completed.
www.bristolpost.co.uk
So Matty Taylor would remain a Bristol City player, but not clear how his loan with us would be handled.
Smith, Williams and out of contract players will stay until season is completed
FIFA are preparing plans to prevent players from moving before the season is finished
www.bristolpost.co.uk
So Matty Taylor would remain a Bristol City player, but not clear how his loan with us would be handled.
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But TBH to say they will likely lose at Coventry is pie in the sky, the current form table means nothing now. This will be like starting a new season
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it seems clear that the decision made further down the pyramid is the belief that those clubs cannot afford lawyers etc...if it happens in our league let's hope the clubs and Agents have not already spent any monies received for transfers. Still we're all in this together yeah right !!!
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I've not seen the contract teams have with the EFL, Championship or PL but I imagine there's a clause that will cover the leagues if they do cancel or make a decision on standings. Like an 'act of god' or force majeure clause in travel insurance.
A bigger problem, especially at our level, is that nobody will be signing players, negotiating contracts or paying wages(eventually) if this situation carries on longer term.
A bigger problem, especially at our level, is that nobody will be signing players, negotiating contracts or paying wages(eventually) if this situation carries on longer term.
I suspect the owner of South Shields can afford those lawyers.
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It should do but there will be some sort of challenge you can guarantee it, just glad fatty evens wouldn’t be in a position to mount a legal challenge as we wouldn’t hear the end of it.All null and void, National/Global emergency supersedes any money grabbing parasitic lawyers.
Good thread on this whole situation, including a convincing argument for why voiding the season is nonsense.
For what it's worth, I know that the lower leagues have essentially been voided, but I do think the higher up you get the more you run into the unavoidable legal and financial complications of prize money, television revenue and European places. As the tweeter points out, it would be wildly unfair to, say, allow Spurs back in the CL next season just because they happened to be in it this season, just as it would be hugely unjust to allow Norwich a second batch of PL TV money. You simply don't have implications of that financial magnitude, even relative to the size of the clubs and leagues, from voiding the season that low down the pyramid .
For what it's worth, I know that the lower leagues have essentially been voided, but I do think the higher up you get the more you run into the unavoidable legal and financial complications of prize money, television revenue and European places. As the tweeter points out, it would be wildly unfair to, say, allow Spurs back in the CL next season just because they happened to be in it this season, just as it would be hugely unjust to allow Norwich a second batch of PL TV money. You simply don't have implications of that financial magnitude, even relative to the size of the clubs and leagues, from voiding the season that low down the pyramid .
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I agree, but with the caveat that the amounts of money are relative to the size of the clubs. £5000 can be as important to a non-league club as £20m (or more) is to a Prem outfit.
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Football sickens me with it's elitist attitude, don't tell me the F.A cares about the game, you cannot make up rules as you go along it should and must be the same for everyone.
The whole game stinks to the core and has been shown up for what it is all about ££££££££
The whole game stinks to the core and has been shown up for what it is all about ££££££££
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They already made the FA Cup a two tier competition when they let VAR be used in games at PL grounds, rather than saying it couldn’t be used so that the rules were the same in every fixture.
It’s all good and well the top dogs saying the season must be finished, but when those of us lower down get to finally restart games and have to sacrifice a 46 game season to finish one with 9 or 10 left, we go to the wall.
Maybe that’s the attraction of it. Kill off us plebs, keep the biggest clubs in two divisions and have Premier League 1 and 2. Delicious.
Noone's suggesting that, are they?
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Yet. The longer this suspension goes on, the less it will be possible to hold another 46 game season within the necessary timeframes if the authorities become obsessed with finishing the current one. Especially with a second wave of lockdowns later this year quite likely, due to the lack of vaccine until at least next summer. We won’t be coming out of our houses in a month or two and suddenly the world is back to normal - there will almost certainly be another multi-month disruption to our way of life during what would be next season. That should be considered very carefully by the authorities, and they need to map out how next season could be completed in the event of a second wave. For example, if this season were called as is, could next season potentially be completed even with several months of disruption if it were to run from July - September and then March - June, if the worst were to occur? If they were to chase this current campaign down a blind alley, what does that do to the next season’s schedule? What if they take until August to finish the last nine or so games of this season, and then the second wave comes in September when the next one is gearing up to start, which in turn stops the game and carries on into 2021? Do they have a route plotted out for how that would work and ensure a full season could take place within the necessary parameters? If they just blindly chase finishing this season down the rabbit hole at absolutely any cost then it’s got massive potential to go wrong, and we certainly will end up in a situation where we’re staring down the barrel of losing more fixtures than we obsessively made room for. Which for the majority of clubs outside the Premier League would be a travesty.
I can already see this going absolutely tits up, but at least the big boys will be happy and have their botbot stroked.
