Ex Player Nathan Holland

Yeah I agree, these players coming here, scoring goals, firing us towards the playoffs and maybe promotion. What's in it for us?

Nothing that could not be achieved with our own players, it's a system that has led to laziness and hides the failure to get deals done and ability to actual build your own squad and players.
Th fact the Big clubs are farming all the best youngsters is not healthy for the sport and let's not forget they want their own under 23's sides in our league. These are players that clubs lower down cannot get because even 3rd/4th /5th choice players are being paid vast amounts of money.
At some point there has to be a realization that it can be possible to build your own squad with your own players and have a proper go that way with the odd tinker here or there.The Top league is awash with money has built a no need to win anything as 4th is ok mentality (adjust further down) and has some fans of clubs like ours just thinking about the £££££ a player/s is worth rather than what just might be achieved building a team together and all realizing their ambitions.
 
Well if you're happy to keep breaking up a squad rebuilding going through the same s**t every summer and now risk events like January then good luck

No-one’s forcing us to have loans though. We could play:

Eastwood
Long Dickie Moore Ruffels
Gorrin
Brannigan Sykes
Henry Mackie Agyei
Every week, but most people think having the likes of Taylor, Browne and Holland in the team is worth the fact that they are potentially only here for a season. Don’t forget that our young players (Jones, Berkoe etc) are currently out on loan developing in the leagues below as well, so it works both ways.
 
Well if you're happy to keep breaking up a squad rebuilding going through the same s**t every summer and now risk events like January then good luck
So you would not have got in Baldock, Kenny, Roofe, Browne?
The plan is clearly to get in high quality loans (so we see a far better quality player) together with our own players coming through the Academy plus some players from other clubs.
I think this hang up with getting in excellent young players on loan is a little odd.
 
I sort of agree, and a reliance on loan players is now a fact of life in the lower leagues so we do have to play that particular game.
But I think the balance has gone too far, with too many loan players being allowed in a match day squad. I think the effect of that is twofold. Firstly it means that lower league teams end up having to rebuild their teams season on season - the loan players leave and the best players get cherry picked by teams higher up once the transfer window opens. Secondly it means there are less spaces in the squad for the club's own young players - who will stay longer than the loanees and if half way decent will end up being sold, thus helping the club keep afloat.
So while I like to see the young talent from other clubs, I think I'd like to see a bit less of it! :)
Thay will happen once our own players are ready (Lopes, Spasov, Jones, Goodram etc). That is clearly the strategy.
 
This is why us old negatives hate the loan system in it's current format, always use to be loan "with a view to buy" and normal some fee was agreed
As i've always said we're just developing players for the benefit of other clubs, stop kidding yourselves because if any Championship club want him we're blown straight out of the water and not even at the starting line.

I'm not a huge advocate of the current loan system when it's used by PL and Championship clubs , as you say @horseman , a get back to fitness & development for their players. Sadly it is what it is currently, with many PL & Championship clubs totally overloaded with potential talent on their books, many of whom will never even get a sniff of playing for their monied parent club. I also dont like the arrogance of some PL/Champ' clubs ( Bindippers under Klopp - re Woodburn for example) 'contracting' into the loan deal that their asset must play- wrong IMO, it should be down to the Manager/ head coach as to whether a loanee is the right player for the tactics being used against differing opponents . |Besides how is the likes of Mackie supposed to get his appearance ( and win bonus!) money if theyre another couple of places down in the matchday pecking order? ;)

On the flipside, under KR ( and also under MApp) OUFC have forged a reputation for bringing the best out of raw young talent, meaning potentially decent youngsters are more likely to be loaned to OUFC than, say Stevenage , AFC Wimbledon etc if they ( PL / Champ clubs) are looking for their asset to progress. And if, granted a very big IF, OUFC current board really do have ambition and aspiration for Championship football ( which as yet remains to be seen), signing loanees permanently is possible, if, that little big word again, the OUFC board seriously invest in the first team squad. It would fit the 'sustainability ' model of buying , bringing player on, and selling on for a profit a season or two later. - Of course the board would need to speculate to accumulate first, and secondly learn fast how to negotiate hard, instead of 'cashing in' on players for the first 7 figure offer ( like they seemed to do in January) . As KR has said, if theres aspirations to become a big (ger) club, the board need to act like a big(ger) club


Its not helped by a spineless governing body in England, the FA, who maybe should limit the size of squads registered with PL and some Championship clubs, but are scared shitless to take any steps to limit the power the PL (and to a much lesser degree Championship,. Cant see that changing much, not until the European Super League is created.
 
No-one’s forcing us to have loans though. We could play:

Eastwood
Long Dickie Moore Ruffels
Gorrin
Brannigan Sykes
Henry Mackie Agyei
Every week, but most people think having the likes of Taylor, Browne and Holland in the team is worth the fact that they are potentially only here for a season. Don’t forget that our young players (Jones, Berkoe etc) are currently out on loan developing in the leagues below as well, so it works both ways.

Hopefully the likes of Jones, Berkoe etc. will come through the U-23s/academy and we won't have to rely on the loan system so much. I can imagine, that is the long term goal but as increased investment in this area is fairly new, we have yet to really reap the benefits.
 
Thay will happen once our own players are ready (Lopes, Spasov, Jones, Goodram etc). That is clearly the strategy.

i think we both know that will not be the case long term, the moment they look any good the ££££££ signs appear before the eyes and we mustn't stand in their way yes the odd 1 or 2 may play for a short term but we'll still keep looking to top up with loans.
 
Thay will happen once our own players are ready (Lopes, Spasov, Jones, Goodram etc). That is clearly the strategy.
Yes, I wasn't really talking about our club in particular - they seem to be doing a good job bring new players on (how long they stay before they get poached by clubs higher up the food chain is another matter!). I was more on about the loan system in general - and of course clubs will get as many talented players in on loan as they can afford. I just think if (all) clubs were allowed for example just three loanees in the match day squad, it would keep the best aspects of the loan system (access to good/young players currently not in the picture at their parent club) while forcing clubs to bring through their own youngsters and to concentrate a little more on that.
 
Yes, I wasn't really talking about our club in particular - they seem to be doing a good job bring new players on (how long they stay before they get poached by clubs higher up the food chain is another matter!). I was more on about the loan system in general - and of course clubs will get as many talented players in on loan as they can afford. I just think if (all) clubs were allowed for example just three loanees in the match day squad, it would keep the best aspects of the loan system (access to good/young players currently not in the picture at their parent club) while forcing clubs to bring through their own youngsters and to concentrate a little more on that.
great post @ZeroTheHero ... Agree 100%
 
i think we both know that will not be the case long term, the moment they look any good the ££££££ signs appear before the eyes and we mustn't stand in their way yes the odd 1 or 2 may play for a short term but we'll still keep looking to top up with loans.
I dont think that we know that at all.
The strategy is quite clearly to bring our own talent through. Sure we will sell the best ones eventually. But if we have 2 or 3 in the first team ( which has to be the aim) then that is 2 to 3 we dont have to borrow/ pay for.
There will be 3 ways of getting first team players - our own players, buying players and loans. At the moment there are 2.
So clearly that will make a bit difference.
 
Nothing that could not be achieved with our own players, it's a system that has led to laziness and hides the failure to get deals done and ability to actual build your own squad and players.
Th fact the Big clubs are farming all the best youngsters is not healthy for the sport and let's not forget they want their own under 23's sides in our league. These are players that clubs lower down cannot get because even 3rd/4th /5th choice players are being paid vast amounts of money.
At some point there has to be a realization that it can be possible to build your own squad with your own players and have a proper go that way with the odd tinker here or there.The Top league is awash with money has built a no need to win anything as 4th is ok mentality (adjust further down) and has some fans of clubs like ours just thinking about the £££££ a player/s is worth rather than what just might be achieved building a team together and all realizing their ambitions.
Agree ^^
 
I sort of agree, and a reliance on loan players is now a fact of life in the lower leagues so we do have to play that particular game.
But I think the balance has gone too far, with too many loan players being allowed in a match day squad. I think the effect of that is twofold. Firstly it means that lower league teams end up having to rebuild their teams season on season - the loan players leave and the best players get cherry picked by teams higher up once the transfer window opens. Secondly it means there are less spaces in the squad for the club's own young players - who will stay longer than the loanees and if half way decent will end up being sold, thus helping the club keep afloat.
So while I like to see the young talent from other clubs, I think I'd like to see a bit less of it! :)

I'm hoping we get more of our young uns' in the squad as regulars or at least on the bench so the need for loanees is naturally reduced.
 
I dont think that we know that at all.
The strategy is quite clearly to bring our own talent through. Sure we will sell the best ones eventually. But if we have 2 or 3 in the first team ( which has to be the aim) then that is 2 to 3 we dont have to borrow/ pay for.
There will be 3 ways of getting first team players - our own players, buying players and loans. At the moment there are 2.
So clearly that will make a bit difference.

Indeed, rumours Leeds tried to sign Lopes from us but he signed a pro contract with us.
 
I’m sure I read that Chelsea have over 50 players on loan throughout Europe, you can bet that all the big clubs have at least 20 going out on loan.

The real problem is money
eg Garbutt for
If he is on reportedly 30,000 a month and is on a 3 year contract how could we possibly hoped to get him to sign.

If I were him I would stay put go out on loan and at the end of 3 years look for the best option.

You have to give credit to the likes of Kemal Roofe who sacrificed security and believed in his own ability.

But as the Premiership gets more money thrown at it and it ends up in players and agents pockets what hope do we have of loaning a good player with a view to buy
 
When an 11 yold is paid 15k a week to join a team and his parents get mortgage on 2 houses paid + other incentives then you know the games gone crazy

he wont even need to worry if he turns out not quite good enough in 5/6 years time but also clubs like ours would have no hope of him wanting to join when he's already very rich by then
 
Yes, I wasn't really talking about our club in particular - they seem to be doing a good job bring new players on (how long they stay before they get poached by clubs higher up the food chain is another matter!). I was more on about the loan system in general - and of course clubs will get as many talented players in on loan as they can afford. I just think if (all) clubs were allowed for example just three loanees in the match daiy squad, it would keep the best aspects of the loan system (access to good/young players currently not in the picture at their parent club) while forcing clubs to bring through their own youngsters and to concentrate a little more on that.

I think it would also be a good idea for lower league clubs to be able to restrict their developed youngster to age 21 / 23 from moving to another club. Having spent so much time, resources and money developing these players, why, shouldn't we be given some time to use them to help us develop? The Prem and to some extent Champ have their own academy players they can use them instead.
 
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I think it would also be a good idea for lower league clubs to be able to restrict their developed youngster to age 21 / 23 from moving to another club. Having spent so much time, resources and money developing these players, why should, shouldn't we be given some time to use them to help us develop? The Prem and to some extent Champ have their own academy players they can use them instead.
like the idea of that @Neville60

Problem is the arrogant PL ( & some Champ') clubs cant be arsed to develop 'their own' , theyd rather loan em out to lower league L1 /L2 ( such as OUFC), contacting into the loan, that 'their' loanees must play, then when any promise is shown, generally cash in on em.... I blame the spinelessly weak FA for allowing the situation to degenerate the way it has

During the mid 80s when the U's were in the top flight, pre PL, Squad sizes and youngsters on various club books wernt too dissimilar across the 4 leagues in English football, granted some of the usual suspects had a few more on their books back then, but it wasnt ridiculous the way it is now... and what has changed in the interim? the advent of the PL- and the FA turning into a bunch of eunuchs :mad:
 
like the idea of that @Neville60

Problem is the arrogant PL ( & some Champ') clubs cant be arsed to develop 'their own' , theyd rather loan em out to lower league L1 /L2 ( such as OUFC), contacting into the loan, that 'their' loanees must play, then when any promise is shown, generally cash in on em.... I blame the spinelessly weak FA for allowing the situation to degenerate the way it has

During the mid 80s when the U's were in the top flight, pre PL, Squad sizes and youngsters on various club books wernt too dissimilar across the 4 leagues in English football, granted some of the usual suspects had a few more on their books back then, but it wasnt ridiculous the way it is now... and what has changed in the interim? the advent of the PL- and the FA turning into a bunch of eunuchs :mad:
One word sums it all up.

GREED
 
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