Manager/Coach Karl Robinson - Will he walk

This is all speculative BS. Managers come and go, and they all say what they think needs to be said to further their own positions. It's easy to say, "The board aren't showing enough ambition for me" because the manager doesn't have to put his money where his mouth is and he knows the fans will agree, because fans always want unreasonable amounts of money spent.

If we get to the play-offs (and even go up, maybe) then Robinson can go and good luck to him. The important thing is just to keep him till the end of this season. Even if we don't get to the play-offs, then who cares if he goes? We just get someone else in and the whole circus starts all over again. Just let them get on with it, I say.

By that the Owners then wanted to keep the fans happy with their statement of ambition for the Championship?

The difference being that whilst they flogged the family silver days before the end of the window the manager suddenly had to rethink his potential squad for a big cup tie a few days later and then with players already injured have less options for a starting line up or changes during upcoming league games added to the fact that we never got the players in the key areas that most agreed were needed.
Not forgetting the we did not have to sell we chose to which for a promotion chasing side was bonkers.
 
This is all speculative BS. Managers come and go, and they all say what they think needs to be said to further their own positions. It's easy to say, "The board aren't showing enough ambition for me" because the manager doesn't have to put his money where his mouth is and he knows the fans will agree, because fans always want unreasonable amounts of money spent.

If we get to the play-offs (and even go up, maybe) then Robinson can go and good luck to him. The important thing is just to keep him till the end of this season. Even if we don't get to the play-offs, then who cares if he goes? We just get someone else in and the whole circus starts all over again. Just let them get on with it, I say.

That's all well and good providing we don't end up with a less able manager. There are more poor ones than better ones. Pep must be a recent reminder as to how things can turn out. When you have a top manager, within reason the club should do everything they can to retain their services. Of course if the management say one thing to entice a top manager in to the club and then significantly bend/amend/ back track/ change on their promises, then any top manager would consider their options. Most top managers are as ambitious as any top player and take promises in good faith.
 
By that the Owners then wanted to keep the fans happy with their statement of ambition for the Championship?

The difference being that whilst they flogged the family silver days before the end of the window the manager suddenly had to rethink his potential squad for a big cup tie a few days later and then with players already injured have less options for a starting line up or changes during upcoming league games added to the fact that we never got the players in the key areas that most agreed were needed.
Not forgetting the we did not have to sell we chose to which for a promotion chasing side was bonkers.

The 'family silver' - Jesus. Fosu was pretty good and Baptiste an injury-prone youngster. I'd argue our squad has improved since the window with the addition of Kelly, Browne and Holland. It certainly hasn't got any worse.

And of course the ownership are going to say what they think the fans want to hear, as well. All parties do. That's really my point. This is all just bog-standard football shenanigans. I don't know why people set so much store by what the manager and board say. We all know how it goes.

FWIW, I would like Robinson to stay, but I'm not going to have an aneurysm about it if he leaves. At the end of the day, I'd rather the club stuck to its business model and survived, whether that means getting promoted or staying in League One.
 
 
I’m convinced that the key to this whole saga is not so much the sale of Baptiste & Fosu but the timing of it, & the failure to reinvest some of the proceeds from those sales for a fullback and striker.

Whether it was just circumstances, bad luck, or poor planning we as fans can only surmise, but it’s created the situation we’re at today.

Everything else is just white noise and hot air.


When you say the 'timing of it' I don't really get that. It's not an open transfer window all year round, there are essentially two or three months out of 12 when you can do business so any successful, right minded manager must know that there's a risk his players are going to be sought after. Add to the fact that the very vast majority of transfers are done late in a window too why has KR got such a massive beef about this ? He's said numerous times about the model we are, I just do not get it.

He should take his frustration out on Brentford if it's about timing. What's Tiger meant to do, phone around every club in the country on January 1st and say if you want our players then hurry up ? How the hell can he control an incoming bid at the eleventh hour ? Acceptable bid comes in, it fits the model we all know about, so where has Tiger f***** up ? You can't say we haven't reinvested or, at the very least, tried hard to. The Cadden, O'Donnell and Grigg bids appear to be open knowledge. We are three players heavier in terms of numbers and Woodburn due to return.

A club owner cannot control a bid for his player and if he turns that acceptable bid away, and in doing so risks scuppering it altogether with loss of form or injury, then the model that has brought us success to date isn't worth the paper it's written on. You either have the model - and deal with it - or you don't.
 
The 'family silver' - Jesus. Fosu was pretty good and Baptiste an injury-prone youngster. I'd argue our squad has improved since the window with the addition of Kelly, Browne and Holland. It certainly hasn't got any worse.

And of course the ownership are going to say what they think the fans want to hear, as well. All parties do. That's really my point. This is all just bog-standard football shenanigans. I don't know why people set so much store by what the manager and board say. We all know how it goes.

FWIW, I would like Robinson to stay, but I'm not going to have an aneurysm about it if he leaves. At the end of the day, I'd rather the club stuck to its business model and survived, whether that means getting promoted or staying in League One.

family silver = Assets that could either of realized their ambitions with us or waited until just a few short months.
Kelly Holland and Browne are not our players so have no future value.

As for the business model that is some gamble to keep selling your better players whilst all the time saying you're ambitious and hoping the conveyor belt keeps finding them..This is what i've said for years and Karl alluded too the other day, keep doing it and eventually you stand still as others pass you by..if that is what fans and owners truly want then let the owners say so not pretend they have ambition then s**t themselves when promotion comes calling.
i've said time and time again that as a fan you have to have some hopes and dreams to make it to the higher level or what is the point?
 
Never really understood the issue with having loan players to be honest. It is part of the successful model and there is absolutely nothing wrong with try before you buy as it were....flipping sensible if you ask me!

Moreover, have a look at the type of loan players we are signing. Are they big prospects for their parent clubs, who simply want them to get more competitive game time under their belt to toughen them up a bit as they really rate them, or are they players from higher division clubs and it hasn't quite worked out for them, so they are trying to get a good run and get themselves in the shop window? I would offer that it is very much the latter and we have a good chance of taking some of those on permanently at the end of this season, if we think they fit here!
 
family silver = Assets that could either of realized their ambitions with us or waited until just a few short months.
Kelly Holland and Browne are not our players so have no future value.

As for the business model that is some gamble to keep selling your better players whilst all the time saying you're ambitious and hoping the conveyor belt keeps finding them..This is what i've said for years and Karl alluded too the other day, keep doing it and eventually you stand still as others pass you by..if that is what fans and owners truly want then let the owners say so not pretend they have ambition then s**t themselves when promotion comes calling.
i've said time and time again that as a fan you have to have some hopes and dreams to make it to the higher level or what is the point?

I do agree with you that you have to dream but, first and foremost, it has to be sustainable. I like the model. I think it works, so we'll just have to agree to differ! :)
 
That OM article doesn't make for good reading to be honest.. From what I can tell the board don't really want promotion. I think they are looking to sell up now they have the training ground it makes for a slightly better looking picture. I think if they can make abit of money on player sales they will too. KR leaves in summer.
 

“I had a nice letter today from an Ipswich fan about the way our football club seemed so united, and we are doing things right.”

f**k me, he’s punting himself for the Ipswich job now!
 
family silver = Assets that could either of realized their ambitions with us or waited until just a few short months.
Kelly Holland and Browne are not our players so have no future value.

As for the business model that is some gamble to keep selling your better players whilst all the time saying you're ambitious and hoping the conveyor belt keeps finding them..This is what i've said for years and Karl alluded too the other day, keep doing it and eventually you stand still as others pass you by..if that is what fans and owners truly want then let the owners say so not pretend they have ambition then s**t themselves when promotion comes calling.
i've said time and time again that as a fan you have to have some hopes and dreams to make it to the higher level or what is the point?

Peterborough and Brentford are 2 clear examples of that model working.
 
That OM article doesn't make for good reading to be honest.. From what I can tell the board don't really want promotion. I think they are looking to sell up now they have the training ground it makes for a slightly better looking picture. I think if they can make abit of money on player sales they will too. KR leaves in summer.
You seriously believe all that!?
 
Have OUFC bought the trainingg ground then?.... A few posters on this thread have mentioned the training ground as part of the package, should the board sell up their interests in OUFC.... I thought it was leased and being run on behalf of the Council? .... if OUFC have taken ownership of the training ground off the council, Ive missed that being reported? ... anyone got a link to the announcement of OUFC owning the training ground?
 
Never really understood the issue with having loan players to be honest. It is part of the successful model and there is absolutely nothing wrong with try before you buy as it were....flipping sensible if you ask me!

Moreover, have a look at the type of loan players we are signing. Are they big prospects for their parent clubs, who simply want them to get more competitive game time under their belt to toughen them up a bit as they really rate them, or are they players from higher division clubs and it hasn't quite worked out for them, so they are trying to get a good run and get themselves in the shop window? I would offer that it is very much the latter and we have a good chance of taking some of those on permanently at the end of this season, if we think they fit here!
I totally agree.
Some of the comments on here are a little odd.
So we have had some fantastic young players which we have owned ( and sold on/ contracts expired such as Lundstram. Ledson, Rothwell, Roofe, Nelson)
We have had some excellent loanees such as Roofe, Browne, Baldock, Kenny. Archer, Holland.
We used to have players like Hutchinson, Tonkin, Raynes, Obika.
What seems to have gone missing in the whole debate has been watching the football. This season has been generally fantastic. Some of the best football for 25 years and we are well positioned to be in/ close to the playoffs.
KR sometimes says some daft things, we have too many loanees. Goodness
 
Have OUFC bought the trainingg ground then?.... A few posters on this thread have mentioned the training ground as part of the package, should the board sell up their interests in OUFC.... I thought it was leased and being run on behalf of the Council? .... if OUFC have taken ownership of the training ground off the council, Ive missed that being reported? ... anyone got a link to the announcement of OUFC owning the training ground?

No, we have a long term lease and full control of the training ground so the club can make money from this. We have a permanent training ground that we have control of which is a massive upgrade on what happened prior to us moving to the current site.
 
You seriously believe all that!?
To be honest I don't know what to beleive. I don't think the board have the ambition to get to the championship because of the cost of it all.. Not going on that article alone just the feeling of the way they have gone about things as a whole with the winding up orders sale of players lack of investment as in permenant deals for players. at the end of the day they are in a tough position. So is KR as they have not really shown ambition just my opinion but I am usually wrong. Maybe things will totally go the other way if results on the pitch put us in the championship at end of season!
 
This.
The fact that they are below us in this season's table means nothing. They have new, ambitious owners and it's a good time to go there now the Oyston years are over. They have a better stadium than us, bigger crowds and have been in the top two flights many more seasons than us in their history.

At least our players appear to be demonstrating loyalty to KR. The upturn in form seems to have coincided with KR's unease with what happened in January
Absolutely agree and I am far from taken with the board’s choices in January - I think they’ve got plenty to answer for. But the way he’s gone about things in recent weeks, culminating in a pretty shameful last few days where he’s put himself in the middle of everything and suggested he might shack up with another club, which he’s been doing publicly while the team is battling and needs stability, has not been the behaviour of somebody who wants to be seen as a committed leader. It’s been bad management and he’s let himself down. Everybody already feels for him - yes, even me on a footballing level - because they can see January clearly wasn’t what it should’ve been. He already won in that regard. But sure enough, his mouth and his ego have gone wild and now he’s spent days and weeks acting like a spoilt brat with a sense of entitlement, and showing that ultimately it isn’t about the greater good with him, it’s about attention and wanting his way. Don’t spend ages positioning yourself as the brilliant and principled guy who believes in the old one team, one dream mantra, unless you can make damn sure that mask doesn’t slip. He lost any high ground he occupied with the way he went about all this, and I’m quite shocked that people (not you) who have lambasted others in the past for apparently not supporting the club well enough, or blindly enough, are seemingly happy to side with a man who from the looks of it isn’t overly interested in being here much longer, and who is putting himself in the middle of everything when the team is scrapping to achieve something, and yet he’s more worried about throwing his tits about to make sure his name is in the news. Anybody who supports Oxford United Football Club should be disappointed in his methods here.

I will never stop saying it - Appleton showed that you can be disillusioned with where things are going and disappointed that your ambitions don’t seem to be matching up with your employers, and that you can even have one eye on the exit as a result, but that you can still quietly get on with your job and conduct yourself with dignity and respect.
However, given our results over the past few games, it's difficult to argue that the club got the January window wrong. Have we really missed Fosu and Baptiste? Would Grigg have added greatly to the performances of say, Browne; Henry and Taylor? Our earlier malaise was with injuries, notably Brannigan, who's now back to his best. In Holland and Kelly, we've added talent which if we can hang on to are clearly massive assets for the near future. Sykes has improved beyond measure and crucially we didn't lose anyone irreplaceable. I would say that, given how we are currently performing, the January window was fine. As to the Blackpool spat, neither the manager or the owner has dealt with it well. They both now need to buckle down and get us to the best place we can in the games remaining. Tiger says he wants promotion, so let's go for it. What happens next season, for the present at least, is for the birds.
 
We used to have players like Hutchinson, Tonkin, Raynes, Obika.

Woah, woah, woah. Are we implying is Tonkin a bad player here, mister?

He was a good Conference player when we signed him and was OK in League 2.

Plus he was in the Wembley Play-Off Final so should have pints bought for him from any self-respecting Oxford fan!
 
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