Potential New Ground

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Paul Cannell said:
Nnngh! You wrote "The investors have said that the retail units, flats, houses, hotels will be payed for and owned by them. This will offset the cost to build a stadium and be gifted to the club. "

This thread has been the most ostentatious effusion of speculative fart on any football forum in the known universe ever, most of which has been empty-headed optimism warmed gently over a cauldron of hope and consumed with the sweetest candy-floss. Perhaps it was the notion of the investors making a gift*, although that's not the least realistic hope expressed it inspired a vision of Hans Geisecke (whatever) saving squirrels from under the wheels of municipal vehicles, or Zaki Nuseibah (ditto) saving butterflies from being broken on a wheel. So sorry for that, but you essentially said they'd walk away and I said they won't.

The best that can happen in this most Voltairean of all possible worlds, is that they link the club entity with the hotel-owning, ground-owning, money-making entity in some perpetual(ish) manner that the club benefits from the erm synergies even should they (the investors) lose interest in their train set footy team as they (investors) mostly do.

Will that do?





* "Gift" means to give up any right, title or interest in a thing, including any right to benefit from it in any way.
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There is zero chance that the club will own or get any extra revenue from the other retail,leisure facilities on the site. The only way that would happen is if only the board members paid for the whole lot and while still members they could use profit to run and improve the club. This is what was suppose to happen when kassam took us over and said he would take us on a journey and we all know how that ended. This time round its different the board have invested in the club including training ground, players. It's my understanding from a source in the know that there will be more investors who are not even on the board involved in the funding for this. Aslong as we come out of it with the stadium as one of are assets and not owned by anyone else then I don't see no problem with this.
 
Fistfullofdollars said:
it could be. I know absolutely nothing (like most)
The negativity worries me, having watched the fans forum tonight and followed the club for a long time, I am prepared to lend my trust for the time being to the board, I think they have generally earnt it.
We have a manager who goes out of his way to praise the owners and say how supportive and honest they are and how they are doing all the right things, he doesn’t have to do that to the extent he does.
we hear tonight that the training ground (and any associated revenues) are in the clubs name and yet we still seem to have a section of the fan base that want to view them with suspicion or compare them to previous rogue owners.
Myles will be along once we lose a couple Of games to tells us we are all doomed and they are fronts for Putin (or some other conspiracy theory)

maybe just enjoy the ride and see how it plays out?
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Myles is actually conspicuous by his absence. I wonder why.
 
OX14 said:
There is zero chance that the club will own or get any extra revenue from the other retail,leisure facilities on the site. The only way that would happen is if only the board members paid for the whole lot and while still members they could use profit to run and improve the club. This is what was suppose to happen when kassam took us over and said he would take us on a journey and we all know how that ended. This time round its different the board have invested in the club including training ground, players. It's my understanding from a source in the know that there will be more investors who are not even on the board involved in the funding for this. Aslong as we come out of it with the stadium as one of are assets and not owned by anyone else then I don't see no problem with this.
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What I reckon could happen is that any retail facilities could be owned by the club whilst the current board and owners are in place, so that the club can be profitable and can circumnavigate FPP rules on allowable losses. Then, whenever they sell up, they'll sell the club albeit without those retail outlets.
 
battman said:
What I reckon could happen is that any retail facilities could be owned by the club whilst the current board and owners are in place, so that the club can be profitable and can circumnavigate FPP rules on allowable losses. Then, whenever they sell up, they'll sell the club albeit without those retail outlets.
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They couldn't sell the club without those retail outlets.
Zaki has said that the plan is to own assets and to develop the club so as to be able to grow the equity and value of the business.
They cant grow it via additional retail outlets and then not sell a critical part if it.
 
And if it were finished/developed and ‘loved’ it would be even better!

Appreciate that it was a big game and a big crowd, but compare last nights experience and atmosphere to that at Stadium MK? I know for sure which one I prefer!

My position remains as it has for many years.

Find a way for an equitable arrangement at the Kassam that protects our football club and further embed it into our community and maximise the growing population in the immediate area and utilise the planned transport links which will significantly improve access to fans from wider afield.

We already have a very good stadium in a very good location. There is room for further development and further commercial opportunities - that will benefit the club and our community.

Perhaps I see things through rose tinted spectacles, but I remain firmly convinced that a solution can and will be found that will ensure our football club is sustainable and can prosper.
 
Jem said:
And if it were finished/developed and ‘loved’ it would be even better!

Appreciate that it was a big game and a big crowd, but compare last nights experience and atmosphere to that at Stadium MK? I know for sure which one I prefer!

My position remains as it has for many years.

Find a way for an equitable arrangement at the Kassam that protects our football club and further embed it into our community and maximise the growing population in the immediate area and utilise the planned transport links which will significantly improve access to fans from wider afield.

We already have a very good stadium in a very good location. There is room for further development and further commercial opportunities - that will benefit the club and our community.

Perhaps I see things through rose tinted spectacles, but I remain firmly convinced that a solution can and will be found that will ensure our football club is sustainable and can prosper.
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Jem, Colin posted recently the cost to 'finish/develop ' which was relatively huge.
I guess that the question always has been who will pay for this (to me it is far easier to see in the new ground option)
What ate your thoughts on this ( on the basis that to finish it will mean to upgrade the current structure and to add the fourth stand/ fill in the corners?)
 
Essexyellows said:
Was it just me that thought the Breeze Block with a full house, a lot of colour (thanks to telly stuff) looked rather nice?
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I was watching in a pub down on the south coast as I am working away, didn’t actually recognise the ground for a second as it was so much more impressive looking than normal.

Makes you realise what a massive missed opportunity it’s been playing in it unfinished, with a fourth stand sold out last night it would of been impressive.
 
Yes, the Kashstad looked good last night. Particularly liked the Display in the "JIM SMITH STAND" A fantastic effort by all concerned...thank you!

(if you have to ask which stand is that, then you are probably from Swinedown.)
 
Foley said:
Jem, Colin posted recently the cost to 'finish/develop ' which was relatively huge.
I guess that the question always has been who will pay for this (to me it is far easier to see in the new ground option)
What ate your thoughts on this ( on the basis that to finish it will mean to upgrade the current structure and to add the fourth stand/ fill in the corners?)
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CB posted his guess at what he thought it would cost, it was over egged to push people towards his preferred choice of a new stadium.
Until a plan of what is going to be done and costed properly, we will all be in the dark about the true costs apart from guessing.
 
Yes it did look good last night and there was an amazing atmosphere. Imagine what a 4th stand and filling in the corners would do. But the stadium is now outdated, the concourse especially north stand is not big enough. Not enough toilets for a start. It would probably be cheaper to build a new stadium, than buy and redevelop the kassam. There is no reason why we can't design a good stadium though. Mk is just a badly designed stadium. Doncasters and Rotherham are pretty decent though, something like them but slightly bigger will do us.
 
LondonRoader said:
CB posted his guess at what he thought it would cost, it was over egged to push people towards his preferred choice of a new stadium.
Until a plan of what is going to be done and costed properly, we will all be in the dark about the true costs apart from guessing.
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Disappointed in this response mate.

There was no guesswork in my figures, other than (as I said in the post) an estimate as to what value Kassam would sell the stadium for, IF he ever would? Everything in my post has come from professionals working in the stadium design field. Nothing is "over egged" to suit an agenda. Having said that though, yes I do have a preference, and it's a preference for a new stadium, just as you seem to have a preference for staying where we are. My preference is based on hard facts and sound, robust figures. It's a view that I have changed from the one I held previously, and is due to now being in possession of much more accurate and detailed data.
 
Colin B said:
Disappointed in this response mate.

There was no guesswork in my figures, other than (as I said in the post) an estimate as to what value Kassam would sell the stadium for, IF he ever would? Everything in my post has come from professionals working in the stadium design field. Nothing is "over egged" to suit an agenda. Having said that though, yes I do have a preference, and it's a preference for a new stadium, just as you seem to have a preference for staying where we are. My preference is based on hard facts and sound, robust figures. It's a view that I have changed from the one I held previously, and is due to now being in possession of much more accurate and detailed data.
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Without getting into an argument, I’m still not sure how you can chuck figures at something that no one knows is going to happen, unless you know the plans for the stadium I’m not sure how you can put figures to them, so it’s not hard facts just what you think might need to be done, we all might have an opinion but it’s the people with the money who actually decides what they want to spend.
If someone gave us a stadium in a ideal situation I would be happy we moved, but that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.
 
LondonRoader said:
CB posted his guess at what he thought it would cost, it was over egged to push people towards his preferred choice of a new stadium.
Until a plan of what is going to be done and costed properly, we will all be in the dark about the true costs apart from guessing.
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Really? Colin got a pretty top sports stadium architect involved I believe. He and Jem ( at Oxvox) had some general coatings done.
Did you go to the Oxvox presentation of the Stadium options?
 
LondonRoader said:
Without getting into an argument, I’m still not sure how you can chuck figures at something that no one knows is going to happen, unless you know the plans for the stadium I’m not sure how you can put figures to them, so it’s not hard facts just what you think might need to be done, we all might have an opinion but it’s the people with the money who actually decides what they want to spend.
If someone gave us a stadium in a ideal situation I would be happy we moved, but that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.
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He is not 'chucking figures at something'
CBs figures are the most researched and best figures that we have. So a good basis if a discussion . Unless you have something better?
 
LondonRoader said:
Without getting into an argument, I’m still not sure how you can chuck figures at something that no one knows is going to happen, unless you know the plans for the stadium I’m not sure how you can put figures to them, so it’s not hard facts just what you think might need to be done, we all might have an opinion but it’s the people with the money who actually decides what they want to spend.
If someone gave us a stadium in a ideal situation I would be happy we moved, but that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.
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I also don't want to get into an argument on here, but read what I said. I'm not "chucking figures at it" and I've said as much. Look at the bit I've underlined above.

Have a little faith, this is not a pipe dream, it has legs. That's all I'll say for now on a public forum.
 
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