General Rage Online - Grenoble Road - Holding OUFC back?

You beat me to this Simon but your response is spot on. As an architect, I could take the moaners on here to various different types of buildings that were a complete sh***y mess at one time & now have been given imaginative 'cosmetic' treatment by very clever & skilled designers so that you would never think they were not brand new! The Kassam may be "basic" cosmetically but the structures are sound & with skill & imagination the whole lot could be bought to life for a awful lot less money (& time!) than moving. Fill in the corners (which, by the way, were 'designed' to have this happen), build the fourth stand, & give everywhere a facelift & we would have a home to be proud of.
Just needs our Landlord to co-operate?
 
Have to agree with lots of Bradders points here.
Also, I don't think the views are particularly bad - there are many larger stadiums where you are a lot further back and higher up and away from the pitch.
One recurrent theme is calling it a breezeblock stadium - never quite sure if this is because of the construction or the missing corners and stand means it's more open to the elements. And then people start saying about ****hole grounds like the c***ty ground or Accrington / Luton / Southend / Bristol Rovers / AFC Wimbledon where you are can be on an open terrace or crammed into tiny seats on a converted terrace with posts and pillars blocking viewlines. Make your mind up, do people want a shitty old ground or a relatively modern ground with no blocked views and all covered?
I'm not too convinced by the idea of a new station at the science park and whether it would take match day 'traffic' but that's another argument.
It's funny how differently people view grounds, you can view it as an away fan perspective, or a home fan. I would much rather be a home fan at these grounds than one at the K*stad.

Accrington - covered home terrace close the the pitch.
Luton - Falling apart but an incredible atmosphere and close to the pitch
Southend - Converted terrace but the barrel shaped roofs make for a brilliant atmosphere, close to the pitch again.
Rovers - Huge covered terrace behind the goal, yes please! The rest is woeful though...
AFC Wimbledon - The ground is too small, but home fans can at least watch from a covered terrace.

An unreserved, terraced / safe standing stand would be ideal and make it far more enjoyable for younger generations.
 
You beat me to this Simon but your response is spot on. As an architect, I could take the moaners on here to various different types of buildings that were a complete sh***y mess at one time & now have been given imaginative 'cosmetic' treatment by very clever & skilled designers so that you would never think they were not brand new! The Kassam may be "basic" cosmetically but the structures are sound & with skill & imagination the whole lot could be bought to life for a awful lot less money (& time!) than moving. Fill in the corners (which, by the way, were 'designed' to have this happen), build the fourth stand, & give everywhere a facelift & we would have a home to be proud of.
Just needs our Landlord to co-operate?
I'm not entirely sure this is correct, the ground needs an awful lot of work to bring it up to scratch. If you take into account all of this work AND the cost of purchasing, you might be better off with a new stadium. I'm also certain Donald did this research before and found something similar.
I've been fortunate enough to visit areas of the stadium restricted since it was built, a lot of fans have no idea how run down some areas are!
 
In what way is it difficult to get to?
Ok by car, ok by bus?
Not that easy by car - I've done it a couple of times and on one occasion I was stuck in the car park for over an hour.
Fair point regarding buses, but as an away fan in a new location - or for a casual fan - buses are not as simple as they are for a regular home fan.
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The situation of getting out of the carpark is dreadful especially the overflow but most places are difficult to get out of quickly when all fans leave at the same time. Most clubs don't have a carpark as large as ours!
 
I started watching Oxford in 1983 great memories but I would say if you really want to use the word to describe a ground as a 's**t hole' which I never do, it better describes the Manor not the Kassam!
 
I started watching Oxford in 1983 great memories but I would say if you really want to use the word to describe a ground as a 's**t hole' which I never do, it better describes the Manor not the Kassam!
The Manor would never have won any awards for being salubrious or apperance .... it was intimidating for visiting teams with the supporters very close to the pitch.... yep it probably was a shithole, but it was our shithole, and whats more , to me,very significantly, The Manor not only felt like home, it was home
 
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The Manor would never have won any awards for being salubrious or apperance .... it was intimidating for visiting teams with the supporters very close to the pitch.... yep it probably was a shithole, but it was our shithole, and whats more , to me, and very significantly, The Manor not only felt like home, it was home

Mostly because folk "JFDI" and put stands where they wanted them....

The Osler "development" certainly highlighted how hamstrung the site was, although I bet the residents now wouldn`t welcome us back!
I always wondered how the Bowls Club survived any development pressure then,when you also consider several of the houses were owned by the club, if we had bought the Bowls club, BT shed & the petrol station and a few houses in Beech Road................................ I can but dream!! ?
 
With respect Wu, I know I am right - even allowing for those areas that you (and I) have seen. Stu Donald never really thoroughly looked at the Kassam as a viable option & was swept along with dear old Charlie on the Water Eaton bus!
The amount of spend on professional, council & other specialist study fees involved with a new ground - on their own - would fund a great deal of work that would give our ground a lift.
 
I started watching Oxford in 1983 great memories but I would say if you really want to use the word to describe a ground as a 's**t hole' which I never do, it better describes the Manor not the Kassam!
My first match was 83 also , April v Millwall won 1-0 Foggy pen after chicken George fouled . Millwall ran down the osler rd at the end to have a bout of fisticuffs ?
 
With respect Wu, I know I am right - even allowing for those areas that you (and I) have seen. Stu Donald never really thoroughly looked at the Kassam as a viable option & was swept along with dear old Charlie on the Water Eaton bus!
The amount of spend on professional, council & other specialist study fees involved with a new ground - on their own - would fund a great deal of work that would give our ground a lift.
Depends if you want to completely finish the ground inside and out, 4 stands, filled in corners, concourses, supporters clubs, bars, or just "give it a lift" as you say. Only you know your own figures for what you class as "giving it a lift" :ROFLMAO:
 
It is the Firoz Kassam history that is clouding the impression of this stadium.
If tommorow a miracle happened and us fans all part owned the stadium we would think very different.
Sorry @Fred , I dont agree. Even if OUFC did announce that a deal had been done on the 3 sided wind tunnel,it wouldnt make it any more welcoming or for that matter warmer even on an elsewhere hot day, than it is currently. There would be at the very least a bit of refurbishment and a few changes needed to rectify that IMO
 
If a railway station was opened up locally I still think this is the ideal place for the Stadium. Good access to ring road.
agree a local railway station might help, but if the current board are planning a new stadium elsewhere, and not planning on buying the slum landlord out, it wouldnt be viable option to open a local train station near to the breeze block
 
Sorry @Fred , I dont agree. Even if OUFC did announce that a deal had been done on the 3 sided wind tunnel,it wouldnt make it any more welcoming or for that matter warmer even on an elsewhere hot day, than it is currently. There would be at the very least a bit of refurbishment and a few changes needed to rectify that IMO
I agree the stadium needs finishing, could some of our persuasive charming fans do a charm offensive on Firoz to let's us build a temporary stand? Share any revenue? General posters this is not another invitation to start insulting Firoz. It gets us knowwhere.
 
agree a local railway station might help, but if the current board are planning a new stadium elsewhere, and not planning on buying the slum landlord out, it wouldnt be viable option to open a local train station near to the breeze block
Isn't one planned by the science park?
5 minutes away?
 
My first match was 83 also , April v Millwall won 1-0 Foggy pen after chicken George fouled . Millwall ran down the osler rd at the end to have a bout of fisticuffs ?
My first season was as a glory hunter just as we looked like winning the old div2 was it 83?
 
Read your article with interest but found your findings slightly skewed. I totally agree that there is a lot to improve but hey have you been to many away games (stadium's) as the experience I and many others experience fortnightly I can tell you isn't too beautiful either.

Let me tell you the ozone is completely plastic but there is somewhere /some places to lay ones stomach unlike some grounds you visit where you couldn't lay a house brick.

Firstly who the heck would be happy with the fill me up before you go go stadium? Circa 6k capacity, open ended, nothing around it, a walk to the toilet's which are positioned not underneath a stand for any comfort in cold weather and of the parking in side roads which isn't my ideal match day experience but it's what it is. Now take Pompey. Stadium atmosphere is granted ok but luxurious it certainly isn't. Bolt on seats to a somewhat windswept terrace, tiny portakabin toilet's, nothing too close in the vicinity to add to the big match feel. Also, if you ask many other away day trippers to Pompey most will say it's not the best in facilities and comfort, and the view from the shallow seating is poor, something you say apart from the ssu the rest of the kassam is which to me is again skewed, as most visitors to the kassam actually say this is one of the better aspect's of our ground if they are truthful.

Rochdale? Fleetwood? Brizzle Rovers? Gillingham? Southend? AFC Wimbledon? Peterborough (side seating etc) all have loads of facility issues and all need massive shake ups to attract new punter's etc etc. I'm not in the camp saying the kassam is anything special but it is definitely not as bleak a day out as some and I really do believe you perhaps haven't been to some of these away grounds on a regular basis.

Take Millwall, nothing of anything around it apart from a few miles back at London bridge but do we when we go there harp on about how far things are from the ground? No you take what's on offer and stay away from the toast in the Millwall cafe. The ground is a near cheap carbon copy of the kassam albeit with another stand. Do they moan in the Barry Kitchener stand about the ground...you bet they do but they work the system and get on with it. Atmosphere wise it can be as bad as ours at times so l've been told...but when there is over 10k in the den it can work to there advantage...just like our ground can do when the crowds rise.

Of the others left untouched is: Bolton, Sunderland, Rotherham, Ipswich etc etc the grounds are a mix some old school some new builds in the last 10/20 years but have an albeit probable better experience than ours at the moment but with a regular group of real across the board oufc fans apparently meeting with oufc representatives other than getting a forth stand built I'm hoping whilst we are there the whole shebang improves in time for this potentially great team to pull in bigger crowds.

Our city centre is a great location for away fans who have a little more time on their hands before a match and yes there should be a real concerted effort from our marketing team to get more brand exposure in the city centre immediately.

Most of the away fans like PB seem to find many alternatives than drinking right bang on any away grounds doorsteps! This can happen at oufc believe me -ask our Sunderland friends as many really enjoyed the city centre with ease and still got into the game on time.

In wrapping up... there is plenty to improve on and yes the breeze block is in need but believe me there are lots of shockers out there and anyone reading your assessment could be forgiven if they give up coming back or coming for the first time.

With everybody's input chipping in whilst we are here try for FFS to big the place up more than run it down as there are a lot of people I believe all trying to pull in the right direction to get the club to where it should and could be. Remember folks any new ground could be light years away and moaning about stuff for the next few years is so bloody negative to all concerned.

Fan numbers will improve I'm sure and as I've said to many others we have still yet to play the so called bigger away followers so yes fan engagement will snowball with a successful side and it is total b*llocks that we haven't got more than a 6.5k fan base. If we ever got another (West) stand seating aka copy of the East stand we would with success and giving away followings at least 2.5k have easily at the middle to back end of this season many 10 to 12k crowds plus. And even without a stand this season crowds could still reach a few 10 k's. Then if the championship beckoned then 10 to 14k plus crowds would probably be the norm for a few seasons given the big championship clubs visiting.That's if of course a temporary stand was in place and was big enough and that plans for a permanent stand was fully supported to follow.Titillation to the ground would not work if somebody/whoever purchased the gaff...proper classic football stadium remedial work only.

I'm not a kassam disciple by any means- I'm a person who believes that the ground if bought is actually in a position with the real world in terms of the populus of the area. If you can't build in the city centre then B/Leys is ok for me. Real people to build another young generation to support the club in the future years moving forward. Once the building of new homes engulf the other side of the road the ground would become hedged in giving the ground a not so out in the sticks feel. At this point I must also state I'm not a Leezer disciple either. Moving would/could probably dismantle things again. Also reallocating to another out of city location could see the club lurch sideways in terms of support again as the building of any entertainment around the ground would still be regarded as somewhat plastic again. However, with the overground train line (Cowley) being properly mooted at the moment transportation from the city centre to matches could be more than a one trick pony. Home and away fans could use the city centre spending £££s and then take the train to the game and before people smell trouble I and lots of others took the train to the Ricoh with Coventry fans from Coventry station without too much fuss...so it could/would work especially with stewardship from the police and others.

Obviously if the gang at the top pulled out the large rabbit and moved and it was just what the doctor ordered then great I'll wait (although I'm getting older and impatient to get at the tramps in the next division) and support whatever...but for me the infastructure and ground is already here with potential, potential for the right team (management) and at the moment we have the right team on the pitch with the right manager and to me the right area as well.

Feel free to slaughter me.

Coyy's.

Oh I forgot to mention Wycombe's sort of ground. Forgotten already.
Bet you feel better now that's off your chest....
Excellent post.
 
If a railway station was opened up locally I still think this is the ideal place for the Stadium.
I suppose the question there is how many trains would there be at the relevant times, and how many people could each one take? Having just had a quick Google, a train carriage has about 60 seats plus about 30 standing. So a four carriage train would bring about 400 people max, an eight carriage train (probably unlikely to build a large enough station at the Science Park for that) 800.
So (for a four carriage train) if there were three trains in the hour before kickoff it would move a max of 1200 people. Certainly a help...
 
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