Stewart Donald anyone.....

Upthecowboys said:
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Ok, fair enough.

Yes or No answer. Do you want SD to be a success at Sunderland? By success I mean make money out of his purchase which is likely to mean promotion for them in the near future.

Yes for me - the usual not at the expense of the mighty yellows etc.

The reason I ask is that there seems to be an undercurrent from some posters on here / Twitter etc that took great delight from them losing on Sunday. Some of those posters went on about some Sunderland fans expecting an easy promotion as a reason for enjoying the Charlton win, whilst forgetting we had similar fans in the conference.

I’m quite keen for SD to do well, as he has supported OUFC in a number of ways (inc financially) previously. If he makes money at Sunderland then he may be an option should the club need financial support / be sold in the future.

If he ever bought OUFC then I’m sure he’d want his cut, and wouldn’t be a ‘Jack Walker’ type benefactor. But he has helped OUFC in the past, so based on that I hope he things work out for him at Sunderland.
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Do you believe SD will come here to buy the club if there was no financial gain in it for him?
SD has supposed to have had a couple of chances to buy the club in the past, they never materialised for one reason or another, probably the last time when the WE fantasy evaporated.
It's about making money and that's what businessmen do, good on him.
 
Upthecowboys said:
Edit: Quote function didn’t work. This was meant to be in reply to Scotchegg!

Ok, fair enough.

Yes or No answer. Do you want SD to be a success at Sunderland? By success I mean make money out of his purchase which is likely to mean promotion for them in the near future.

Yes for me - the usual not at the expense of the mighty yellows etc.

The reason I ask is that there seems to be an undercurrent from some posters on here / Twitter etc that took great delight from them losing on Sunday. Some of those posters went on about some Sunderland fans expecting an easy promotion as a reason for enjoying the Charlton win, whilst forgetting we had similar fans in the conference.

I’m quite keen for SD to do well, as he has supported OUFC in a number of ways (inc financially) previously. If he makes money at Sunderland then he may be an option should the club need financial support / be sold in the future.

If he ever bought OUFC then I’m sure he’d want his cut, and wouldn’t be a ‘Jack Walker’ type benefactor. But he has helped OUFC in the past, so based on that I hope he things work out for him at Sunderland.
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I wouldn't want to see SD lose money from his northern venture, but I have no interest in him succeeding either.

We have to remember that SD twice had an opportunity to buy Oxford United. On both occasions he looked to get the club cheaper than others were prepared to pay. Now, I fully accept that it is not for me to tell anyone how to spend their money, and an extra million or so is hardly loose change, but he made his decision. He has then gone to Sunderland and is likely to spend significantly more. He could win big and double his money, or lose it all. That is the risk which I'm sure he only knows too well.

Sunderland thought they had the right to walk this league, as we did in the conference and Pompey in their first season in league 2, and I'm sure many others. That experience was pretty humbling for us as a club, and probably not such a bad thing as it helps some respect where we are now and fear a return.

Sunderland can suck up league 1 for a little longer and if that impacts on SD then sobeit.
 
LondonRoader said:
Do you believe SD will come here to buy the club if there was no financial gain in it for him?
SD has supposed to have had a couple of chances to buy the club in the past, they never materialised for one reason or another, probably the last time when the WE fantasy evaporated.
It's about making money and that's what businessmen do, good on him.
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I am.not sure that is what has happened to date?
It appears that over the years SD has put a lot of money into the club and has hardly made money out of it.
As a generality and certainly in relation to Sunderland he is in it if course to make money.
If he ever did take over oufc, I suspect that wouldn't be the main objective.
 
Upthecowboys said:
Edit: Quote function didn’t work. This was meant to be in reply to Scotchegg!

Ok, fair enough.

Yes or No answer. Do you want SD to be a success at Sunderland? By success I mean make money out of his purchase which is likely to mean promotion for them in the near future.

Yes for me - the usual not at the expense of the mighty yellows etc.

The reason I ask is that there seems to be an undercurrent from some posters on here / Twitter etc that took great delight from them losing on Sunday. Some of those posters went on about some Sunderland fans expecting an easy promotion as a reason for enjoying the Charlton win, whilst forgetting we had similar fans in the conference.

I’m quite keen for SD to do well, as he has supported OUFC in a number of ways (inc financially) previously. If he makes money at Sunderland then he may be an option should the club need financial support / be sold in the future.

If he ever bought OUFC then I’m sure he’d want his cut, and wouldn’t be a ‘Jack Walker’ type benefactor. But he has helped OUFC in the past, so based on that I hope he things work out for him at Sunderland.
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I will stick my head on the line here and say that I hope that SD doesn't buy OUFC in the future. Not because I don't like the man (I don't know him) or don't trust his motives. For me he just hasn't really proven himself to be a very good owner yet at either Eastleigh or Sunderland. He struggles when it comes to picking the right manager and has said himself in the past that he would probably let his heart rule his head when it comes to OUFC. The things I've also heard of, how he and Charlie are seen by staff up in Sunderland doesn't feel me with confidence either.

I wish the man well and thank him for what he has done for the club in the past and fair play to him for putting money in when he didn't have to but that's where it stops for me.

I'd much rather have someone who does have such strong emotional attachment to the club take us on. In fact I am actually very happy with Tiger in charge of the club and think under him we will see good progression as a club.
 
Have we really got to the stage where we elevate Tiger above Stewart Donald? I think some people need to give their heads a wobble!

A reasonably well run club that has since takeover been subject to multiple winding up petitions and terrible PR with no clearly articulated strategy and alienation of a big chunk of the fan base. Purchased at potentially overinflated value.

Vs

A club that was absolutely tanking cash on operating costs that has been reasonably steadied and just missed out on promotion. Including big turnaround in the morale of the fan base and better PR. Purchased at minimal level on generous payment terms relevant to potential value.

I mean they’ve made mistakes but I think you’re pushing the limits of belief there dsw?

The idea that we wouldn’t have a fan owner with a track record of injecting cash into our club for no obvious gain is also a surprising turnout. If he is a businessman then I’d say he wouldn’t have invested in North Leigh or us. Sunderland May have a business interest but that’s because it’s not his club. And no he shouldn’t pay over the odds to our former investment banker. That’s money that could be spent on the club and he was right to stick to market value. He has no idea what other investors may be in the wings or what is bluff. In this case a new owner came in again seemingly without doing thorough due diligence on the state of the club and its restrictions. I would say Tiger paid over the odds.

I do sometimes wonder on the business resumes of those opining their views on this forum.
 
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Ricky Otto said:
Have we really got to the stage where we elevate Tiger above Stewart Donald? I think some people need to give their heads a wobble!

A reasonably well run club that has since takeover been subject to multiple winding up petitions and terrible PR with no clearly articulated strategy and alienation of a big chunk of the fan base. Purchased at potentially overinflated value.

Vs

A club that was absolutely tanking cash on operating costs that has been reasonably steadied and just missed out on promotion. Including big turnaround in the morale of the fan base and better PR. Purchased at minimal level on generous payment terms relevant to potential value.

I mean they’ve made mistakes but I think you’re pushing the limits of belief there dsw?

The idea that we wouldn’t have a fan owner with a track record of injecting cash into our club for no obvious gain is also a surprising turnout. If he is a businessman then I’d say he wouldn’t have invested in North Leigh or us. Sunderland May have a business interest but that’s because it’s not his club. And no he shouldn’t pay over the odds to our former investment banker. That’s money that could be spent on the club and he was right to stick to market value. He has no idea what other investors may be in the wings or what is bluff. In this case a new owner came in again seemingly without doing thorough due diligence on the state of the club and its restrictions. I would say Tiger paid over the odds.

I do sometimes wonder on the business resumes of those opining their views on this forum.
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Morale of the fan base and better pr [emoji848]. Think u need to have a read of their forum and twitter to see what they really think about their pr guru.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1133421961772707842
 
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Dave T said:
Morale of the fan base and better pr [emoji848]. Think u need to have a read of their forum and twitter to see what they really think about their pr guru.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1133421961772707842
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They’ve just lost two Wembley finals and are frustrated. I’m not sure the odd post about disliking Charlie means that somehow morale is lower than before their takeover and the prior owner.
 
Ricky Otto said:
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They’ve just lost two Wembley finals and are frustrated. I’m not sure the odd post about disliking Charlie means that somehow morale is lower than before their takeover and the prior owner.
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Im not sure u can class a 46 page thread as “the odd post”

Stewart is a genuine open and honest bloke and seems well liked, but charlie not so much.

As for comparing the two owners, well who knows i bet our finish in relation to our budget was a dam sight better than theirs. Both owners used future fees to buy the club. One owner is desperately searching for investment as apparently sartori is leaving and the costs are rising, the other has convinced 4 billionaires to get involved. 1 club is set to lose its academy category rating, the other is close to stepping up a level due to investment. Tiger was left a huge amount of s**t by darryl, some of which hes still dealing with, for all the good he did in the promotion year, he did an awful amount of damage in the last year as well, everything that could be cut, was, everything that could be clawed back was. Is tiger perfect , maybe not, but i think there are some very good signs that maybe it was just a much harder year dealing with the crap left him and that this season we can see what hes really about.
 
they still have cat 1 Dave into next season

if you wish to compare the 2 owners sunderland were 190m in debt now it is debt free
 
Foley said:
I am.not sure that is what has happened to date?
It appears that over the years SD has put a lot of money into the club and has hardly made money out of it.
As a generality and certainly in relation to Sunderland he is in it if course to make money.
If he ever did take over oufc, I suspect that wouldn't be the main objective.
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I think SD's father was very generous in the conference years, SD was generous in sponsoring stuff I suppose that could be written off through the business, didn't SD get the money he put in (£150K) to the club when he fell out with DE?
 
horseman said:
they still have cat 1 Dave into next season

if you wish to compare the 2 owners sunderland were 190m in debt now it is debt free
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Thats not comparing owners then is it! For that u need to compare previous owners, 1 or which wrote off £190m. The other added previously written off debt by lenegan to his bill and didnt write off any debt run up on his watch as promised .
 
There is no denying SD has steadied the ship at Sunderland. However, how steady that ship is at the end of next season remains to be seen. He seems to be taking the same stance as Eales did when he was in charge. Do loads of PR, say the right things to keep the fans on side, try and off load the club, when it gets put in the press about him selling up then come out and say its just investment he wants rather than offload the whole thing, make sure one of the men at the top table is seen in the pubs before the games, drinking with the fans (Charlie) yet the reality behind the scenes is very different.

By the end Eales was a bit like a duck, calm above the water but the legs were peddling like mad and I get the same impression that is the same in the North East.
 
Also (I didn’t get this far in the podcast) sb said Sartori is going into politics. Isn’t this the person who was going to take OUFC over and despite a takeover nearly being completed , just a few months later couldn’t takeover Sunderland as he needed to complete the ownership tests, but luckily Donald was there to step in. Hmm.

We were all told Sartori was the saviour for OUFC with his family connections and personal wealth.
 
MarkG said:
Also (I didn’t get this far in the podcast) sb said Sartori is going into politics. Isn’t this the person who was going to take OUFC over and despite a takeover nearly being completed , just a few months later couldn’t takeover Sunderland as he needed to complete the ownership tests, but luckily Donald was there to step in. Hmm.

We were all told Sartori was the saviour for OUFC with his family connections and personal wealth.
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I find the sartori pulling out already an extremely weird twist
 
MarkG said:
Also (I didn’t get this far in the podcast) sb said Sartori is going into politics. Isn’t this the person who was going to take OUFC over and despite a takeover nearly being completed , just a few months later couldn’t takeover Sunderland as he needed to complete the ownership tests, but luckily Donald was there to step in. Hmm.

We were all told Sartori was the saviour for OUFC with his family connections and personal wealth.
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And which pr guru told us that ?
 
Thomas/Brock/Jones said:
I find the sartori pulling out already an extremely weird twist
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And this is where I think you have to look carefully at the spin coming out from Charlie/Sunderland.

We were told that Satori wanted to take us on a journey, that he was here for the long term, that he had the backing of his father in law etc. And if not Oxford then he would take his cash and expertise elsewhere.

Move forward a year and he effectively loans his mates £2m for 10% of Sunderland, but is rarely seen. Another year on, and despite statements saying that there is a queue of investors, the cracking financial position, turning down bids of £50m+ etc, Satori is now looking to jump ship and focus on politics.

So maybe not the big player with the long term interests of our club at heart after all?

And maybe DE just saw through all of this spin himself when pulling the plug on the deal. Of course, Charlie was right there to spin a different story but that is now unravelling somewhat.

In the meantime we have a board with a collective wealth bigger than many PL teams, and despite a shocking first year, we are finally looking to build the club from the bottom up with youth and training facilities and investing in our long term future.

So maybe DE really did sell in the best interests of the club after all?
 
Scotchegg said:
And this is where I think you have to look carefully at the spin coming out from Charlie/Sunderland.

We were told that Satori wanted to take us on a journey, that he was here for the long term, that he had the backing of his father in law etc. And if not Oxford then he would take his cash and expertise elsewhere.

Move forward a year and he effectively loans his mates £2m for 10% of Sunderland, but is rarely seen. Another year on, and despite statements saying that there is a queue of investors, the cracking financial position, turning down bids of £50m+ etc, Satori is now looking to jump ship and focus on politics.

So maybe not the big player with the long term interests of our club at heart after all?

And maybe DE just saw through all of this spin himself when pulling the plug on the deal. Of course, Charlie was right there to spin a different story but that is now unravelling somewhat.

In the meantime we have a board with a collective wealth bigger than many PL teams, and despite a shocking first year, we are finally looking to build the club from the bottom up with youth and training facilities and investing in our long term future.

So maybe DE really did sell in the best interests of the club after all?
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Yes but “our” wealthy board could jump ship just as easily.

Once they realise the stadium ownership.
 
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