Anindya Bakrie

My finger pointing at OUFC MD is explained above.... for what ever reason he doesnt and so far hasnt delivered on his own public announcements on behalf of the club
This was in response to Bradders saying that the list of stadium sites was “his” (as in NM’s) list. I fully get the point about a lack of response to queries etc, but the point still stands - he is the face and mouthpiece of the club in a daily basis.

More insight into Oxvox meetings with 'important players', or at least the opportunity to directly ask questions regarding any meetings involving the elected Oxvox committee plus any responses, will hopefully be revealed a week this evening, at the Oxvox open members meeting at CPF ?
So, members now have to wait many months to receive the details of meetings held with various parties, and attend a specific meeting themselves to get those? What’s wrong with actually publishing the minutes of the meetings shortly after they’ve been held, as was the usual situation in the past?

I just find it eyebrow-raising for OxVox, when challenged, to get defensive and state that they’ve held lots of meetings but seem unable, or unwilling, to actually produce minutes of those meetings.
 
Myles the committee, as I've said, look to be trying very hard.

I'm interested in the five site plan, what Susan Brown and her chums are doing to help Oxford United as opposed to putting a statement together for the Oxford Mail and why we were told the club rent was £1m per annum.

Back to OXVOX, I'd say the job they've currently got is as complicated as at any stage in the past decade - no longer has the Trust committee got one or two people to simply ask to get answers, they're having to chase Tiger and a whole entire new board - of which it appears new people are wanting to join on a fortnightly basis.

Recently the Trust met Zaki and Tiger and reported quickly those notes. They talk about the new holding company - Oxford Investment Holding Pte LTD (OIH). They also ask about arbitration to NMcW who was unable to provide substantive comments to them.

www.oxvox.org.uk/15oct2018/
 
Sorry Bradders, but I disagree with some fundamental points here. Tiger is the chairman and NM is the MD. How does that differ from when it was DE and GBT? Apart from the trans-continental element of course..

And it’s interesting that you call it the “new” holding company. This is the holding company which was set up over a year ago to facilitate the take over. Where is the comment on the shareholdings of that company? Do they not think supporters have an interest in who actually owns the club? Or why Zaki et al have invested in the holding company but, apparently, not in the club itself?

I’ve no doubt that the committee are working hard, and you and I both know what a thankless task it can be, but there is a vacuum of substantial information here and no real evidence of the important questions being asked. It may well be that the answers aren’t forthcoming but, as I said the other day, it’s important to demonstrate that they are being asked.
 
Sorry Bradders, but I disagree with some fundamental points here. Tiger is the chairman and NM is the MD. How does that differ from when it was DE and GBT? Apart from the trans-continental element of course..

And it’s interesting that you call it the “new” holding company. This is the holding company which was set up over a year ago to facilitate the take over. Where is the comment on the shareholdings of that company? Do they not think supporters have an interest in who actually owns the club? Or why Zaki et al have invested in the holding company but, apparently, not in the club itself?

I’ve no doubt that the committee are working hard, and you and I both know what a thankless task it can be, but there is a vacuum of substantial information here and no real evidence of the important questions being asked. It may well be that the answers aren’t forthcoming but, as I said the other day, it’s important to demonstrate that they are being asked.

at his first FF Tiger publically agreed to a shareholders AGM (in 2018) ... yet there hasnt been one... I do wonder what is being kept secret from OUFC minority shareholders, and everyone else who are OUFC supporters too?

lack of information/ communication from the Chairman and the Board inevitably leads to speculation
 
I'm not saying you don't have legitimate questions Myles and I hope you will either attend the members meeting or at least email Colin your questions in officially, so they can be discussed.

The committee have met Zaki, Tiger and NMcW as per those notes from last month. They're doing as good a job as I'd expect considering the circumstances - they're even asking questions which clearly couldn't be answered by those present. That tells me they're asking the right questions.
 
I'm not saying you don't have legitimate questions Myles and I hope you will either attend the members meeting or at least email Colin your questions in officially, so they can be discussed.

The committee have met Zaki, Tiger and NMcW as per those notes from last month. They're doing as good a job as I'd expect considering the circumstances - they're even asking questions which clearly couldn't be answered by those present. That tells me they're asking the right questions.

Im in no way ITK ..... however as an Oxvox member I'm confident in Oxvox elected committee, and equally confident that the right questions are being asked of the right people.... problem is, when those being asked questions (by Oxvox committee members) choose to stonewall instead of responding honestly , for whatever their reasons for stonewalling may be, it brings comparison to the old adage about taking horses to water but not being able to make them drink, along the lines of :- Oxvox can ask questions of Tiger, the board and his underlings, but Oxvox cant make them provide answers

What is it that Tiger, the board and tigers underlings have to hide from the fanbase? ...the fanbase that were here befor they arrived, and the same fanbase who will be here after the current board have moved on ... proverbial mushroom treatment is meted out by the current incumbants, as it was with many of their predecessors too, towards the fanbase. Same s**t , different owner & board it seems
 
So would I @bazzer9461 .... though urgency of any sort doesnt appear to be in our Chairman's character.... and as we all know, ( late for his first FF, announcing time predictions for all manner of things to happen, invariably theyve all overan Tigers claimed timespans), his concept of time doesnt match up with REAL time in the real world. The current set up and board blow hot hair , but evade anything of real substance being communicated to the supporters..... I along with presumably some other OUFC supporters , would welcome a regular, decent and informative flow of information from the Owner and the Board regarding all things OUFC. .... shant hold my breath waiting for the board to openly n honestly communicate with OUFC fanbase


We really were spoilt when , albeit for a shortish time, 'Ask Ashton' was a weekly fixture on Radio Oxford

I think looking back, some fans may of taken it for granted how good a MD Ashton was. We've had Thomas who was a great guy in that he said what the fans wanted to hear but he wasn't so good when he was doing his dodgy deals behind IL's back.
We now have NW who IMO isn't really cut out for the job. I certainly don't think we hear enough from him. As a fan I'd expect at least a monthly update from him considering our owner is rarely in the country.

The fact that there has been such a change of direction on the board then I'd say it is even more important now than ever before for the MD to becoming out in the press and giving fans an update. Even it's just an update saying very little at all it is still an update and IMO better than the current silent treatment we are getting.
 
I think looking back, some fans may of taken it for granted how good a MD Ashton was. We've had Thomas who was a great guy in that he said what the fans wanted to hear but he wasn't so good when he was doing his dodgy deals behind IL's back.
We now have NW who IMO isn't really cut out for the job. I certainly don't think we hear enough from him. As a fan I'd expect at least a monthly update from him considering our owner is rarely in the country.

The fact that there has been such a change of direction on the board then I'd say it is even more important now than ever before for the MD to becoming out in the press and giving fans an update. Even it's just an update saying very little at all it is still an update and IMO better than the current silent treatment we are getting.
IMO since Ashton left, things have gradually gone down hill and all the good un-done.

When he first arrived, he had a lot of bad comments due to goings on's at other clubs, but he did well for us, until he left and took COD off us! :)
 
Im in no way ITK ..... however as an Oxvox member I'm confident in Oxvox elected committee, and equally confident that the right questions are being asked of the right people.... problem is, when those being asked questions (by Oxvox committee members) choose to stonewall instead of responding honestly , for whatever their reasons for stonewalling may be, it brings comparison to the old adage about taking horses to water but not being able to make them drink, along the lines of :- Oxvox can ask questions of Tiger, the board and his underlings, but Oxvox cant make them provide answers

What is it that Tiger, the board and tigers underlings have to hide from the fanbase? ...the fanbase that were here befor they arrived, and the same fanbase who will be here after the current board have moved on ... proverbial mushroom treatment is meted out by the current incumbants, as it was with many of their predecessors too, towards the fanbase. Same s**t , different owner & board it seems
I'm not sure how you can put the committee have been asking the right questions to the right people?
I think it is well documented that they never "made that call" to FK before the FF debacle and only had a one sided view of events at that meeting, there is also the line of communication via Firoka and M Doyle I can't see that option was taken up either.
I hope that situation has changed and they are talking to all the stake holders to get a better overview of events, then they might be more thorough in answering any questions at the upcoming members meeting.
 
I'm not sure how you can put the committee have been asking the right questions to the right people?
I think it is well documented that they never "made that call" to FK before the FF debacle and only had a one sided view of events at that meeting, there is also the line of communication via Firoka and M Doyle I can't see that option was taken up either.
I hope that situation has changed and they are talking to all the stake holders to get a better overview of events, then they might be more thorough in answering any questions at the upcoming members meeting.
as I said ... Im not ITK.... however as an Oxvox member Im confident in Oxvox elected committee and equally confident the right questions are being asked of the right people.... I go on to say that even if the right people are asked the right questions, it doesnt equate that answers with be forthcoming.... if the current chairman, board , underlings & for that matter other 'interested' parties opt not to respond, apart from stating so (to Oxvox members),, theres not a lot Oxvox elected committee can physically do to get answers to questions asked?

agree with your last comment, @LondonRoader ... I too hope there will be some answers to questions asked on behalf of Oxvox members, that by a week this evening, have some answers, with substance and honesty, to questions asked, instead of avoidance and stonewalling, to report to the oxvox open members meeting
 
I'm not sure how you can put the committee have been asking the right questions to the right people?
I think it is well documented that they never "made that call" to FK before the FF debacle and only had a one sided view of events at that meeting, there is also the line of communication via Firoka and M Doyle I can't see that option was taken up either.
I hope that situation has changed and they are talking to all the stake holders to get a better overview of events, then they might be more thorough in answering any questions at the upcoming members meeting.

Sorry but there is so much wrong in this post that I’m going to break my self imposed silence to correct some of it if that’s ok.

It may be well documented , but its wrong , We were in contact with firoz way before the fans forum on the sensory room project and had a good responce from him that allowed the project to complete. We are still pushing for further meetings.

Your right there is also a line of communication through Michael Doyle and the stadium company, one which off the top of my head has been mentioned in several committee minutes, where he has provided the answers to members questions on flood lights, bird s**t and toilets. Where he also attended a meeting over the priory and where we also speak to him regularly over things like holding an Oxvox stall in the quad before matches like this weekend. And as it happens I will spend 4.5 hours sat in a safety advisory group meeting along side him 2moro. Hope this clears things up a little
 
Sorry but there is so much wrong in this post that I’m going to break my self imposed silence to correct some of it if that’s ok.

It may be well documented , but its wrong , We were in contact with firoz way before the fans forum on the sensory room project and had a good responce from him that allowed the project to complete. We are still pushing for further meetings.

Your right there is also a line of communication through Michael Doyle and the stadium company, one which off the top of my head has been mentioned in several committee minutes, where he has provided the answers to members questions on flood lights, bird s**t and toilets. Where he also attended a meeting over the priory and where we also speak to him regularly over things like holding an Oxvox stall in the quad before matches like this weekend. And as it happens I will spend 4.5 hours sat in a safety advisory group meeting along side him 2moro. Hope this clears things up a little
Hi Dave, just a quick question. Did the stance the club took at the last FF take you (and FK?!) by surprise. Did you have prior knowledge that they were going to come out all guns blazing that day? I ask because I get the sense there wasn’t a lot of forward planning as to what NM and KR said at the meeting. It seemed to get a bit emotional, with things almost being blurted out. As yet, I can’t see any real action to back up what was said, and it must have created a irreversible rift between the club and stadium owner.
 
Sorry but there is so much wrong in this post that I’m going to break my self imposed silence to correct some of it if that’s ok.

It may be well documented , but its wrong , We were in contact with firoz way before the fans forum on the sensory room project and had a good responce from him that allowed the project to complete. We are still pushing for further meetings.

Your right there is also a line of communication through Michael Doyle and the stadium company, one which off the top of my head has been mentioned in several committee minutes, where he has provided the answers to members questions on flood lights, bird s**t and toilets. Where he also attended a meeting over the priory and where we also speak to him regularly over things like holding an Oxvox stall in the quad before matches like this weekend. And as it happens I will spend 4.5 hours sat in a safety advisory group meeting along side him 2moro. Hope this clears things up a little
Dave with respect, you did not contact FK on his views about the 5 new stadium sites, the excellent Sensory room was also set up by someone else for you to pick up the pieces.
Did you contact M Doyle before that meeting are you just talking about him in general terms.
 
People moan now there is no loyalty with some of our players when they move on, get used to it if we started to pay a load of players well over the odds who couldn't give one hoot about playing for the club only to leave or refuse to play until they got their move.

Get into the premier league? Great for 1 season but I certainly wouldn't fancy becoming the next West Brom, Stoke City or Southampton where it is a case of just happy taking part and making up the numbers or a league!

As for TV games, just look at the comments on here when one of our games gets moved due to being on TV.

I can see why some fans will get excited but I certainly don't feel guilty for enjoying the fact I support a lower league team with a modest fan base and modest aspirations. I for one can't get excited for over priced players playing for the club I love, over priced match tickets, over the top policing and going to games surrounded by tourists and people who have never even heard of Mike Ford let alone James Constable!
I think we all like being fans of ‘our’ club. But come on what’s the point in leagues if not to get promoted? You can’t say that you want us to stay in league one? Otherwise what’s the point? May as well have no promotion or relegation. Maybe not even bother having points? Maybe swap places with plucky Oxford City?
I’d take us becoming the next Brighton or Bournemouth any day of the week!
 
People moan now there is no loyalty with some of our players when they move on, get used to it if we started to pay a load of players well over the odds who couldn't give one hoot about playing for the club only to leave or refuse to play until they got their move.

Get into the premier league? Great for 1 season but I certainly wouldn't fancy becoming the next West Brom, Stoke City or Southampton where it is a case of just happy taking part and making up the numbers or a league!

As for TV games, just look at the comments on here when one of our games gets moved due to being on TV.

I can see why some fans will get excited but I certainly don't feel guilty for enjoying the fact I support a lower league team with a modest fan base and modest aspirations. I for one can't get excited for over priced players playing for the club I love, over priced match tickets, over the top policing and going to games surrounded by tourists and people who have never even heard of Mike Ford let alone James Constable!
I think we all like being fans of ‘our’ club. But come on what’s the point in leagues if not to get promoted? You can’t say that you want us to stay in league one? Otherwise what’s the point? May as well have no promotion or relegation. Maybe not even bother having points? Maybe swap places with plucky Oxford City?
I’d take us becoming the next Brighton or Bournemouth any day of the week!
 
Back to Bakrie. Has he or other members of the family ever been involved in European football before ? I’m just wondering if Tiger has perhaps found a very rich East Asian who could be tempted to follow what others have done. Although with tiger seemingly being a middle man rather than a money man, would bakrie ever want to be a minority investor and if so how much would be put in?
 
While the interests of the club owners have been shrouded in a dense fog since Tigger bounced into the picture without any statements of direction having been substantiated by either tangible activity or verifiable; it's high time that OxVox demonstrated some separation from the circus. As the fluff seems destined to continue, and while I too trust the integrity of the committee, I strongly suggest that OxVox should state what questions have been asked about ownership, ground etc. and report answers should any be available. Failing that, I'm not sure how the man on the Chislehampton omnibus will be able to judge how well they are representing the fans' interest in the face of an opaque and sensational regime; it may soon be in their interests to do so.
 
ps. something tells me that N McW is between a rock and a slippery feline. Not an itk something, mind.
 
Dave with respect, you did not contact FK on his views about the 5 new stadium sites, the excellent Sensory room was also set up by someone else for you to pick up the pieces.
Did you contact M Doyle before that meeting are you just talking about him in general terms.

I'll sit back and take so much but this needs pulling up.

As much as many of us on the committee try to steer clear of getting involved in squabbles on here, we are in the end just supporters, so when I got back from a very enjoyable U18's game last night and read your post I decided to calm down and sleep on it. That didn't work.

Your post is arrogant, dismissive, self important and wholly incorrect. Firstly, you have no idea when we contacted FK so don't claim you do. Actually it was me who contacted him and it was well before the stadium situation really kicked off. He was quick to reply, courteous and very helpful. I followed this up with a request to meet him to introduce ourselves and to discuss the stadium. I got no reply. I followed this up a few weeks later with another email which again got no reply. I tried again a month or two ago with the same result. None of this is said to disparage FK, he has no obligation to speak to us and i'm sure is very busy and we hope to have something arranged soon, but for you to claim we should have somehow forced a meeting to tell him about the club's confidential plans is ridiculous.

The sensory room was indeed conceived and is run by the fantastic women of Jigsaw and was introduced to us by the amazing Kate at the community trust but I can assure you that while Dave is too modest to mention his role in all this, that he and Ali were instrumental in getting the project off the ground. They spent countless hours of their own time (and a fair sum of their own money) finding, sourcing and buying equipment, storing it, getting permissions and bringing in help. I suggest you go and speak to the girls in the room, and ask them if Dave was of any help to them before you come on here and talk down his efforts from the safety of your anonymity. I can assure you those amazing women would not hold back as much as I have.

Oh and yes, we have a good relationship M Doyle and we have been speaking to and meeting with him for months.

Sorry if any of this is inconvenient and doesn't sit well with your agenda but maybe it's time you got a new source.
 
@Paul P
Your post has just underlined the real issue with OxVox at the moment - where is the substantive communication? All too often, there are reactive posts, such as yours, revealing a fair amount of information for which I see no reason for it not to have been made public before. If you’ve attempted to make contact with FK five times and been ignored, why are members not told this?

In another post this morning @PC picks up this theme. I’ve been asking for the past six weeks or so where the minutes are for the various meetings OxVox claim to have had, but not had any response. It’s a really simple question: do you intend to publish minutes of these meetings (as has happened in the past)? If yes, when? If not, why not?
 
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