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[Marked Ox]

Well lock them up, protest by all means but not by hindering services and people going about their daily business

How are they supposed to protest, this Govt are narrowing options yet claim to be all for "freedom of speech"?

I can answer my own question with this article from The I:

MSN

They're going to carry on doing the same thing whether the Bill passes or not.

 

[bazzer9461]

How are they supposed to protest, this Govt are narrowing options yet claim to be all for "freedom of speech"?

I can answer my own question with this article from The I:

MSN

They're going to carry on doing the same thing whether the Bill passes or not.

So hypothetically speaking god forbid you have a loved one that needs transporting to the hospital urgently you’re taking them as it’s quicker than waiting for the ambulance and you take the quickest route but unfortunately one of the roads/streets you have to go in to get to the hospital is blocked by some idiots who have glued their hands to the road/street, you’re now blocked in because of further traffic following you……would you be happy with that?

 

[Marked Ox]

So hypothetically speaking god forbid you have a loved one that needs transporting to the hospital urgently you’re taking them as it’s quicker than waiting for the ambulance and you take the quickest route but unfortunately one of the roads/streets you have to go in to get to the hospital is blocked by some idiots who have glued their hands to the road/street, you’re now blocked in because of further traffic following you……would you be happy with that?

I've already answered your question on whether I'm happy or not. I also believe in the right to protest.

As we are doing hypotheticals:

- Would you be happy if your house is lost due to coastal erosion and you get no compensation or the Island nation, such as low lying Pacific Islands, you live in becomes unlivable? Also chuck in the economic impact and major cities at risk such as in China (https://www.ft.com/content/4dd9860b-664e-4ca0-86a4-5a935d2a22f1)
- Would you be happy if your home that had never flooded before got flooded and you couldn't get insurance?
- Would you be happy if your property was destroyed or a family member killed in a wildfire?

 

[bazzer9461]

I've already answered your question on whether I'm happy or not. I also believe in the right to protest.

As we are doing hypotheticals:

- Would you be happy if your house is lost due to coastal erosion and you get no compensation or the Island nation, such as low lying Pacific Islands, you live in becomes unlivable? Also chuck in the economic impact and major cities at risk such as in China (https://www.ft.com/content/4dd9860b-664e-4ca0-86a4-5a935d2a22f1)
- Would you be happy if your home that had never flooded before got flooded and you couldn't get insurance?
- Would you be happy if your property was destroyed or a family member killed in a wildfire?

That’s what insurance is for, you can’t be refused insurance unless the insurance company knew something as you say being flooded but like you Hypothetically said never have been flooded before.
Also it has only been in the last 3/4 years or so that protest of such had started in this country. Extinction Rebellion? They haven’t been round that long.
Protests over insulation started? Last year or 2?
Plant eating protests have just started up
Oil terminal blockades?
What next, anti farming blockades?

 

[Marked Ox]

That’s what insurance is for, you can’t be refused insurance unless the insurance company knew something as you say being flooded but like you Hypothetically said never have been flooded before.
Also it has only been in the last 3/4 years or so that protest of such had started in this country. Extinction Rebellion? They haven’t been round that long.
Protests over insulation started? Last year or 2?
Plant eating protests have just started up
Oil terminal blockades?
What next, anti farming blockades?

Protest has been around forever. Examples-

- 1381 Peasants Revolt against the Poll Tax led by Wat Tyler and of course the modern protests/riots against Thatcher trying to introduce a Poll Tax.
- Luddites
- Fuel Protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_protests_in_the_United_Kingdom

And far worse or similar to these methods.

 

[bazzer9461]

Protest has been around forever. Examples-

- 1381 Peasants Revolt against the Poll Tax led by Wat Tyler and of course the modern protests/riots against Thatcher trying to introduce a Poll Tax.
- Luddites
- Fuel Protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_protests_in_the_United_Kingdom

And far worse or similar to these methods.

Never said that protests haven’t been around for centuries.
But the latest are similar causing disruption to everyday life without a thought to irreparable damage and possible life changing consequences.

By all means protest but do it at the side of the road not in The bloody road.
What would happen if a protester walked into the road to glue their hands to the road but then get knocked over and killed and the driver well within the speed limit and could do nothing to prevent the accident? Would the deceased be one a martyr and lead to others doing similar to make a point.

I watched in local news last week I think it was. An interview with a woman doing her carbon neutral moan and then burst into tears saying how worried she is, the question I have to ask is, how long has she had tearful thoughts over this?

 

[Marked Ox]

Never said that protests haven’t been around for centuries.
But the latest are similar causing disruption to everyday life without a thought to irreparable damage and possible life changing consequences.

By all means protest but do it at the side of the road not in The bloody road.
What would happen if a protester walked into the road to glue their hands to the road but then get knocked over and killed and the driver well within the speed limit and could do nothing to prevent the accident? Would the deceased be one a martyr and lead to others doing similar to make a point.

I watched in local news last week I think it was. An interview with a woman doing her carbon neutral moan and then burst into tears saying how worried she is, the question I have to ask is, how long has she had tearful thoughts over this?

And what they are protesting aboout has life changing consequences (short term and long term) for the individual and the world's population in total.

Protests have been far more disruptive in recent and the ancient past. If they protest by the side of the road they'll have to be very, very quiet. You do like your hypotheticals, did the Suffragette who died at the Epsom Derby make other Suffragettes do the same?

 

[bazzer9461]

And what they are protesting aboout has life changing consequences (short term and long term) for the individual and the world's population in total.

Protests have been far more disruptive in recent and the ancient past. If they protest by the side of the road they'll have to be very, very quiet. You do like your hypotheticals, did the Suffragette who died at the Epsom Derby make other Suffragettes do the same?

Ok let them sit in the road but I can assure if my good lady had to go to the hospital for urgent and possibly life saving treatment and an ambulance isn’t forthcoming because they are busy and I’m asked if I couldn’t air her as it would probably be quicker, and I was in my way being careful speeding to get to the hospital when it is safe to do so but then I find the crossroads at the Old road/ windmill road Junction and I can’t get through because people are being ignorant to others by gluing their hands to the road……trust me and I’m not alone. I would drag them out of the way irrespective if they lose the skin of the palms of their hands.quite simple really. Plus and I’m jot 100% sure I thought it was illegal to block the queens highway.

 

[Marked Ox]

Ok let them sit in the road but I can assure if my good lady had to go to the hospital for urgent and possibly life saving treatment and an ambulance isn’t forthcoming because they are busy and I’m asked if I couldn’t air her as it would probably be quicker, and I was in my way being careful speeding to get to the hospital when it is safe to do so but then I find the crossroads at the Old road/ windmill road Junction and I can’t get through because people are being ignorant to others by gluing their hands to the road……trust me and I’m not alone. I would drag them out of the way irrespective if they lose the skin of the palms of their hands.quite simple really. Plus and I’m jot 100% sure I thought it was illegal to block the queens highway.

That is your choice and you'd have to live with the consequences, just as they do as well.

 

[bazzer9461]

That is your choice and you'd have to live with the consequences, just as they do as well.

True my family mean more to me than some protester blocking access or preventing people from reaching their destination and if it is a life threatening matter well then I can stand in fromt of a judge and admit under duress that I dragged one or two protesters out of the way so as to get my wife the life saving urgent treatment she may require, but could they stand there and say we have a conscience that’s why we protest and we also have a conscience that we have caused the premature death of a patient as we feel more about the climate than a seriously ill patient on their way to the hospital for life saving urgent treatment.

 

[Marked Ox]

True my family mean more to me than some protester blocking access or preventing people from reaching their destination and if it is a life threatening matter well then I can stand in fromt of a judge and admit under duress that I dragged one or two protesters out of the way so as to get my wife the life saving urgent treatment she may require, but could they stand there and say we have a conscience that’s why we protest and we also have a conscience that we have caused the premature death of a patient as we feel more about the climate than a seriously ill patient on their way to the hospital for life saving urgent treatment.

You'll need to ask those protesting that. And people have died because of climate change when you look at major climate problems such as the increased frequency and ferocity of wildfires in California and elsewhere.

 

[bazzer9461]

You'll need to ask those protesting that. And people have died because of climate change when you look at major climate problems such as the increased frequency and ferocity of wildfires in California and elsewhere.

I know people have died for various climate emergencies but that doesn’t give any of them the right to block the roads when there maybe a genuine emergency and they can’t get to their destination.

 

[Marked Ox]

I know people have died for various climate emergencies but that doesn’t give any of them the right to block the roads when there maybe a genuine emergency and they can’t get to their destination.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this as we're starting to go around in circles.

 

[Wallop]

A huge consequence of climate change in the next 20-30 years if not addressed will be mass migration of hundreds of millions of people from Sub-Saharan Africa northwards to Europe when the temperature gets too hot to live there due to constant crop failure. Priti’s successors will not be able to cope with that.

 

[Marked Ox]

A huge consequence of climate change in the next 20-30 years if not addressed will be mass migration of hundreds of millions of people from Sub-Saharan Africa northwards to Europe when the temperature gets too hot to live there due to constant crop failure. Priti’s successors will not be able to cope with that.

Rwanda will be well populated!

 

[Wallop]

Rwanda will be well populated!

Not really - they’ll all be migrating North which was sort of my point!

 

[OUFCGav]

Public Order Bill

The legislation will aim to prevent highly disruptive tactics used by protest groups such as Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion. It will make “locking-on” – when activists lock or glue themselves together or to buildings – a new offence. The bill will also outline a new offence for “interfering with key national infrastructure” such as airports, railways and printing presses, with a maximum sentence of 12 months.

So they are pushing ahead with their clampdown on protests in a massively unnecessary over the top response. In a democracy, protest is part of it. So if protesting (preferably on your own unless near Parliament then don't come at all), don't make a noise or be noticed and just shuffle by disturbing nobody. And Liz Truss is talking about defending democracy....

So you are happy with idiots gluing their hands to the roads to prevent people from going anout their daily business.
What was it someone firing one of these protests were taking one of their parents to the hospital as they’ve had a stroke, but because of the blockade the car couldn’t get through and the extra time it took me at the stroke the parent was having became worse and he/she is now paralysed down one side and needs continuous care.
Nothing is guaranteed but they hospital claim the parent would have had more chance if they got their quicker.
So yes the bill should stand and get passed, and if the protesters are locked up for 12 months then so be it.

It is an over-reaction to an issue that has massive effects on civil liberty. It is not just locking on that is criminalised, but also going equipped to lock on - without defining what that is. So if someone cycles to a protest, and has a chain and padlock to lock up their bike - they could be charged with going equipped to lock on?

 

[QR]

It is an over-reaction to an issue that has massive effects on civil liberty. It is not just locking on that is criminalised, but also going equipped to lock on - without defining what that is. So if someone cycles to a protest, and has a chain and padlock to lock up their bike - they could be charged with going equipped to lock on?

But on the plus side, less cyclists on the road.



Joke

 

[Marked Ox]

Not really - they’ll all be migrating North which was sort of my point!

Wouldn't stop Priti sending them there anyway.

 

[OUFCGav]

Think Michael Gove was on drugs when on breakfast tv this morning, doing random impressions, including of Harry Enfield's the scousers, calling people "bonkerooney", saying that he is "super cool" with the idea of unilaterally breaking trade agreements, also randomly professed "I’m a big, big Liz Truss fan".