General New Stadium Plans - Stratfield Brake

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There are plans in hand for development which, if you had read my recommendation earlier in this thread and also in the synopsis thread Summary of the new stadium thread you would know. Here it is again Kidlington master plan.
The facts are that both Kidlington and Cherwell authorities recognise the need to move forward and improve housing and community with amenities and a more sustainable environment.
Tbh manor I couldn’t be arsed to read all that. I do know about the Begbroke, Yarnton and Kidlington housing project although the MP for that area is none other than Layla Moran and she has opposed it big time and with OCC being run by a coalition which includes the LibDems this is one of the reasons I’ve asked lots of questions that are negative. I’m confident the stadium will be built it’s the other things with an MP like her as that is her constituency.
 
roof 'pointing' upwards? ... preferably the stadium or stand roof/ roofs will point downwards as its much more conducive to noise and atmosphere , isn't it?
Completely agree about the atmosphere it would create.
The only consideration might be the actual structure itself. It think it’s much harder (if not impossible) to counter leaver a roof from the rear of the stand that then slopes downward over such a large span. Older football stadiums managed it with posts supporting the roof amongst the supporters. Very unfashionable now unfortunately.
The only example of a downward slopping counter leaver roof I can think of, is on some of the older railway stations. But they were built in a T shape with the building sitting under one side, hiding the central posts. (Bicester North is a good example).
So I think this design will only work on the new Stadium if the building behind the stand is as deep as the roof covering the seats in front of it, which would make the footprint of the Stadium huge.

This is from my limited experience. Maybe a structural engineer might be able to add to / correct to this?
 
Has anyone tried to do a detailed breakdown of what we see on the masterplan?
Obvious
Football Stadium
Ice Rink
3 rugby pitches
brown arrows = direction of flow of fans

South West of the stadium big U shaped building= hotel? although it does look more like a terrace of apartment blocks?
Small square to the West of the stadium by rugby pitch = rugby pitch changing room?
Trapeziod direct to the West of the stadium = away fans facilities?
South and further South East of the stadium and other areas - rectangular blocks with no bold borders = coach park and various car parks?
Approach to stadium from South East. Five oblongs = "fan zone" / club shop?
Linked building between Stadium and Ice rink = ??? Food and drink? Restarants? Conference facilities?

In the Eastern triangle as well as the pitches
3 small squares = changing rooms?
L shaped building and U shaped building = more hotels?

Not obvious at all - internal design of stadium. Presumably exec boxes, concourses, club office.
I guess mainstand and home fans = SE stand.
Away fans = West stand if the trapezoid = more facilities?
Bars and food and beer? "supporters club"?
 
Absolutely agree that the architects should design in some iconic view or approach. The lack of that at Grenoble road was a massive fail. Each time I’ve made it back for a game from the other side of the world I’ve taken a photo of my son in front of the stadium and all of them look crap. There’s no tingle, and feeling of “here we go” as you approach. There are stadia which I have no allegiance to where I get that feeling, so it must be a matter of design.

You mean you didn't take a picture in front of the Sewage works?
 
Completely agree about the atmosphere it would create.
The only consideration might be the actual structure itself. It think it’s much harder (if not impossible) to counter leaver a roof from the rear of the stand that then slopes downward over such a large span. Older football stadiums managed it with posts supporting the roof amongst the supporters. Very unfashionable now unfortunately.
The only example of a downward slopping counter leaver roof I can think of, is on some of the older railway stations. But they were built in a T shape with the building sitting under one side, hiding the central posts. (Bicester North is a good example).
So I think this design will only work on the new Stadium if the building behind the stand is as deep as the roof covering the seats in front of it, which would make the footprint of the Stadium huge.

This is from my limited experience. Maybe a structural engineer might be able to add to / correct to this?

If the roof slopes down the rain water will flow over onto the unlucky people sitting in the front rows, guttering would only stop so much and this is the main reason why most new stadium rooms slope towards the back of the stand.
 
A number of articles on the Oxford Mail Website today discussing everything.

The first is from a resident of East Oxford (?) with a number of points. https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/1...nited-fans-wont-get-train-new-stadium-letter/

The points in question are indicative of someone who doesn't know the club, the situation (such as mentioning the priory), and the facts around traffic. It's very specualtive, but an indication of what will come from a number of residents. The resident in question is a member of the Oxford Civic Society who essentially reject anything.

The second post is an overview of a number of groups: https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/19841586.green-belt-concerns-oxford-united-stadium-site/

Campaign to Protect Rural England oppose it (shock).



The rest is about traffic and the greenbelt. I honestly, having had a chance to look at some traffic flows for the croudace home development, can't see us having massive issues on the traffic front, providing the parking at the ground is minimal and a number of P&R's are run from Eynsham, Pear Tree, Redbridge etc, with train stuff too.
I read that and thought “ wow” considering all the anti house builds they’ve opposed over the years. So that is a change of heart, or maybe that is an election thing as they are in control as a coalition of OCC.
 
Best day for me was the Oxford 2 Swindon 0 game when Beano was sent off after about 10mins at 0-0, then we scored twice in 5 mins then defended for our lives for 75mins - the whole day from the buildup in a packed Priory through the game and the celebrations afterwards, the club and fanbase were as one that day. Losing The Priory was a big loss, closest thing we had to a Supporters Club.
Agreed. Priory was a disaster. Still angry at that knoblet woman from OCC planning and English heritage who objected to a tent but were fine with a bowlplex. Now look at the state of it you morons.

As for that game it’s one of the few games where we ended up doing a London road crowd surge in the East stand after the goals. The guy in the row in front didn’t seem to appreciate the old school vibe 😬
 
That looks class, wouldn’t be adverse to something similar with a massive sponsor on the outside paying for a chunk of the build. Sure many companies would love to be associated positively with a new stadium in and around Oxford, especially if we are in the championship

It would be a bonus if it could be seen from the A34 and make it more attractive for potential sponsorship with it being seen by 000s of vehicles a day.
 
Tbh manor I couldn’t be arsed to read all that. I do know about the Begbroke, Yarnton and Kidlington housing project although the MP for that area is none other than Layla Moran and she has opposed it big time and with OCC being run by a coalition which includes the LibDems this is one of the reasons I’ve asked lots of questions that are negative. I’m confident the stadium will be built it’s the other things with an MP like her as that is her constituency.

I don't think Layla will oppose, she's coming under enough attack from her constituents due to allowing 1000 homes being built in the north abingdon and the lodge hill slips on to the a34 haven't been built yet. Also she voted for a new Aldi supermarket in North abingdon. Planning has changed a hell of a lot recently. Premier Inn building a four storey hotel on tesco's old garden centre which is a flood plain tells you everything!
 
If the roof slopes down the rain water will flow over onto the unlucky people sitting in the front rows, guttering would only stop so much and this is the main reason why most new stadium rooms slope towards the back of the stand.
Good point. Plus the pitch will be more prone to water logging around the edges.
 
I don't think Layla will oppose, she's coming under enough attack from her constituents due to allowing 1000 homes being built in the north abingdon and the lodge hill slips on to the a34 haven't been built yet. Also she voted for a new Aldi supermarket in North abingdon. Planning has changed a hell of a lot recently. Premier Inn building a four storey hotel on tesco's old garden centre which is a flood plain tells you everything!

There was talk before premier in. Stuck their noses in that it was going to be a KFC which is a shame as this part of Oxford want one but the downside would be @greatunclekip frequenting the place……as they say not in my backyard.
 
Completely agree about the atmosphere it would create.
The only consideration might be the actual structure itself. It think it’s much harder (if not impossible) to counter leaver a roof from the rear of the stand that then slopes downward over such a large span. Older football stadiums managed it with posts supporting the roof amongst the supporters. Very unfashionable now unfortunately.
The only example of a downward slopping counter leaver roof I can think of, is on some of the older railway stations. But they were built in a T shape with the building sitting under one side, hiding the central posts. (Bicester North is a good example).
So I think this design will only work on the new Stadium if the building behind the stand is as deep as the roof covering the seats in front of it, which would make the footprint of the Stadium huge.

This is from my limited experience. Maybe a structural engineer might be able to add to / correct to this?
Take a look at Old Trafford, for such a large area though you need large cantilever structures to support it, which in a modern design would look unfassionable.

I guess it depends on whether the owners prioritise aesthetics over atmosphere.
 
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I was in tears the day we played our last game at the Manor v Port Vale as we’re many around me in the London Road
When we play our last game at Grenoble Road I will just feel relief, I will walk away and won’t give it a second thought
Still have my Manor and Last Game vPort Vale T shirts don’t think any merchandise will be on sale when we leave the shite hole

Not so much the ground for me, more that it’s a big chunk of your life ending.
 
I don't think Layla will oppose, she's coming under enough attack from her constituents due to allowing 1000 homes being built in the north abingdon and the lodge hill slips on to the a34 haven't been built yet. Also she voted for a new Aldi supermarket in North abingdon. Planning has changed a hell of a lot recently. Premier Inn building a four storey hotel on tesco's old garden centre which is a flood plain tells you everything!

From what I've seen so far the Lib Dems are supporting it.
 
The Lib Dems will support it, as will Labour and the Tories. right now when politics is so populist that wont go against the grain.

The Greens on the other hand are an unknown, get them on board with some clever planning, detailed environmental work and this would be very supportive.

The CPRE are bluster and noise. however they know how to throw legal challenges in, which add cost and delay. However the can stumble if opposed by a lot of local opinion.
 
they, and similar preservationist organisations were absolutely useless in adding weight to protect the now derelict grade 2 listed Priory a few years ago

You can fucking well say that again!

Although in fairness: I don't think Oxford Civic Society was involved (at least they were never mentioned when I was banging on at E.H.) and I have a feeling E.H. was spun a line by the council and Satan's representative. The real mystery is why the council let pass 2 easily enforceable opportunities (1. Satan must refurbish the fabric of the Priory before building on the new hotel commenced. 2. to overcome 1. above Satan's gang cut a deal to refurbish the Priory inside and out and the council could have forced them to do that before the hotel opened.

In the absence of any apparent other reason for the council's dereliction of their duty to protect their property a cynic would think that brown paper bags full of cash were handed out. I'm sure that's not the case otherwise the Oxford Mail's investigation would have uncovered it and we would know.
 
Tbh manor I couldn’t be arsed to read all that. I do know about the Begbroke, Yarnton and Kidlington housing project although the MP for that area is none other than Layla Moran and she has opposed it big time and with OCC being run by a coalition which includes the LibDems this is one of the reasons I’ve asked lots of questions that are negative. I’m confident the stadium will be built it’s the other things with an MP like her as that is her constituency.
The LIB DEMS support the move to Stratfield Brake ... Id've thought that would include Oxford West MP Layla Moran?


see @Fanatica 's post a page or so ago - with a number a facts and links
 
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