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Hang on. Nobody is hating on Southgate. He’s a good bloke. One who’s got very close to winning the thing. But there’s been faults. People need to be alive to that too.

He needs to be asked about his selections. Not just the 5 lads who took a pen.

He needs to be asked about his selections.

He needs to be asked about Jack Grealish and the ways he was underused.

He needs to be asked about his tactics, the way he set up. Was it deliberate to sit back and invite Italy on?

How about the subs for pens?

Saka above DCL, DCL who is. Pen taker for Everton and for Jordan Henderson grabbing the ball from him on the warm his, may well have scored…
Who should he be asked by?
 
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I support taking the knee, or any other symbolic gesture which serves to recognise the awfulness of persecution. I don't doubt that some people may feel an implicit pressure to do so, and others who feel that they don't wish to. Over time these things level out, but, Racism and persecution just continue. It is abundantly clear that the morons who publicly abused black players are a symptomatic reminder that the problem of racism and hatred are very much alive and doing well, in every walk of life I suspect.
 
Personally wouldn't boo my team before a ball had been kicked in anger, would feel weird to me. I don't believe the England players are kneeling in support of the BLM movement. I don't think it's too far fetched to suggest that the act of kneeling is being used as a symbol of anti-discrimination/racism. To me it feels that some of those that are booing are using BLM as an excuse/jumping on the bandwagon. I'm not suggesting anyone on here is but I know a number of individuals that have booed who probably would be considered to be racists and do have leanings towards groups like the EDL, Football Lads Alliance and so on who do have racist elements within them (again I'm not suggesting all are!!!).
 
The concept/movement/statement/tagline, whatever you want to call it, of Black Lives Matter in modern times, existed a long time before the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation was set up by three activists in 2013.

By taking the BLM slogan and using it as the headline for their activist organisation, claiming the domain name blacklivesmatter and basically calling themselves Black Lives Matter the majority of the time, they haven't half clouded the waters between their own movement and general support for equality that was always using the Black Lives Matter slogan. Indeed, the organisation is linked to Marxism due to a number of statements made over time, particularly in the last 2-3 years.

It is clear that by having the BLM slogan attached to the show of unity and longing for equality, that taking the knee brings, it has lost the support of a large number of people in this country. But to me, it is clear that sportspeople aren't taking the knee to support the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation and if people can't see that, it utterly astounds me. There is now a political party called "Reform", but if people use the term, it doesn't mean they are supporting that parties views or politics.

Taking the knee is not new, it wasn't created by the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, by doing it, you're not supporting them or their ideas. You are supporting the concept of equality that has been strived for by people of all genders/colours/races etc all over the world for hundreds of years.
 
The concept/movement/statement/tagline, whatever you want to call it, of Black Lives Matter in modern times, existed a long time before the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation was set up by three activists in 2013.

By taking the BLM slogan and using it as the headline for their activist organisation, claiming the domain name blacklivesmatter and basically calling themselves Black Lives Matter the majority of the time, they haven't half clouded the waters between their own movement and general support for equality that was always using the Black Lives Matter slogan. Indeed, the organisation is linked to Marxism due to a number of statements made over time, particularly in the last 2-3 years.

It is clear that by having the BLM slogan attached to the show of unity and longing for equality, that taking the knee brings, it has lost the support of a large number of people in this country. But to me, it is clear that sportspeople aren't taking the knee to support the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation and if people can't see that, it utterly astounds me. There is now a political party called "Reform", but if people use the term, it doesn't mean they are supporting that parties views or politics.

Taking the knee is not new, it wasn't created by the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, by doing it, you're not supporting them or their ideas. You are supporting the concept of equality that has been strived for by people of all genders/colours/races etc all over the world for hundreds of years.
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BOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
Shouldn’t it be all life matters not just black or white every life is important the vile racist scum keyboard warriors would never have the balls to say what they say to peoples faces that’s the problem social media.taking a knee isn’t going to make social media companies change professional spots people who boycott social media for a longer time than just a weekend might start a change but it’s the social media companies who help protect these scum by not revealing the identities that need dealing with before we deal with the scum behind the keyboards
 
Was it Instagram or Twitter that tracked the original posts back to find 63 "originals" of which 5 originated in the UK?

AFAIK 1 person in Manchester has been arrested for it.

From the posts on here, it kind of suggests that pretty much all of us vehemently oppose racism and would call it out in some way.

However those 5 people's "voice" has been magnified to suggest the entire Country is racist?

What a world we live in...................
 
I stopped when he said the majority of people booed - not at the two games I attended they didn’t. I’m suprised I got that far after the unedifying sight of the presenter climbing up Liddle’s a**e. This is the man who called Southgate ‘toxic, divisive and ludicrous‘, oh and ‘thick’ for good measure. He’s a drunk with dubious opinions looking for views and clicks. Just keep repeating the words ‘woke’ and ‘virtue signalling’ and he has the likes of you slobbering and clapping.
 
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I stopped when he said the majority of people booed - not at the two games I attended they didn’t. I’m suprised I got that far after the unedifying sight of the presenter climbing up Liddle’s a**e. This is the man who called Southgate ‘toxic, divisive and ludicrous‘, oh and ‘thick’ for good measure. He’s a drunk with dubious opinions looking for views and clicks. Just keep repeating the words ‘woke’ and ‘virtue signalling’ and he has the likes of you slobbering and clapping.
what a surprise.
 
What's does being woke entail? Seems like another word that means different things to different people and is used to try and pigeon hole people.
 
What's does being woke entail? Seems like another word that means different things to different people and is used to try and pigeon hole people.
Reference to 'being woke' is a handy way for some to pour scorn on the values of decent people. As recent posts on this thread prove, via Google and other search engines you can find articles that support any view you care to mention. Many of those who are branded 'woke' will also have been branded 'snowflake' in other contexts. Pigeonholing indeed.
 
Reference to 'being woke' is a handy way for some to pour scorn on the values of decent people. As recent posts on this thread prove, via Google and other search engines you can find articles that support any view you care to mention. Many of those who are branded 'woke' will also have been branded 'snowflake' in other contexts. Pigeonholing indeed.
Purely on dictionary definition it is generally accepted to mean being awake or attentive to sensitive social issues (such as race). So "being aware of", effectively.

There's a certain irony in those who try to use it as an insult are normally those of the "no problem/nothing to see here/blown out of all proportion" persuasion. Fancy being derided for being too aware of social issues!

Snowflake on the other hand, as defined by the Urban Dictionary as "A hypersensitive, irrational person who can't stand to have their world views challenged, or be offended in any perceived or even slightest of ways"

So you can be a woke snowflake, but also someone who sneers at "wokeness" and uses it as a derogatory term, but is equally a snowflake :)

Social meeja has an awful lot to answer for.....
 
Nice to see Oxford 84 is actually a Marxist, though he's not making that creed look good.
Also very pleased to see the small knot of far righters given a sound kicking by the decent and articulate majority on here.
 
Interesting that the ' racist ' graffitti on Marcus Rashford mural was ' c**t, bastard , s**t , Saka.
Seems directed at a poor penalty although the media obsession with everything being racist sickens me.
Black people I know are being led to to think that everyone has a hidden side / thoughts and I seriously worry that social unrest is being fostered .
The acceptance and community in this Country should be making us proud but its being made out to be like the deep South of America in the 50's which it truly isn't.
 
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