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[ZeroTheHero]

Do you not think they'll have to in covering the COVID hole?

Surely further cuts can't be the answer?

Well they can't tax the rich. That's never going to bloody happen - and thanks to Covid, many of those not in that bracket aren't going to be paying any more income tax any time soon. VAT rise, anyone?

 

[Essexyellows]

Some of the more fruitloop comments about "Great Reset`s" are probably right in a very, very small way.
This "stuff" isn`t just happening here, its global and "the world" is printing numbers to fill the gaps.
Maybe they just won`t go back to forms of taxation to fill the holes, just fill it with the real value........ data.
We have all happily downloaded apps etc to "help", the data set from those is worth billions to the global companies.

The world will change, probably not for the better but it will change.

 

[m]

Some of the more fruitloop comments about "Great Reset`s" are probably right in a very, very small way.
This "stuff" isn`t just happening here, its global and "the world" is printing numbers to fill the gaps.
Maybe they just won`t go back to forms of taxation to fill the holes, just fill it with the real value........ data.
We have all happily downloaded apps etc to "help", the data set from those is worth billions to the global companies.

The world will change, probably not for the better but it will change.

The state can't fill the holes with data that is 'privately owned'*


*privately owned by people who aren't the owners!

 

[LowerSouth]

Do you not think they'll have to in covering the COVID hole?

Surely further cuts can't be the answer?

I personally do not believe you will see any real upward movements in taxation, cuts neither.

 

[Essexyellows]

The state can't fill the holes with data that is 'privately owned'*


*privately owned by people who aren't the owners!

I would not bet against there being large loopholes in the small print that nobody ever reads .....
As long as said data is anonymised to a degree it will be sold off like 3G, 4G etc were.
Easy enough to reverse match the data to work out where, when & how someone logged on to a football forum then engineer their age, gender etc and target the advertising. It already happens with cookies etc.

 

[m]

I would not bet against there being large loopholes in the small print that nobody ever reads .....
As long as said data is anonymised to a degree it will be sold off like 3G, 4G etc were.
Easy enough to reverse match the data to work out where, when & how someone logged on to a football forum then engineer their age, gender etc and target the advertising. It already happens with cookies etc.

Yeah, but my point was that everything of value is already 'owned" privately.

The state doesn't have data worth selling that cannot already be accessed. Basically, this isn't China!

 

[m]

I personally do not believe you will see any real upward movements in taxation, cuts neither.

Do you not think that COVID has created a financial hole that needs filling then?

 

[Paul Cannell]

I would not bet against there being large loopholes in the small print that nobody ever reads .....
As long as said data is anonymised to a degree it will be sold off like 3G, 4G etc were.
Easy enough to reverse match the data to work out where, when & how someone logged on to a football forum then engineer their age, gender etc and target the advertising. It already happens with cookies etc.

Hello. Nice to see another of your hag-ridden posts that is expressed as total nonsense but might have a kernel of sense.

When you say "sold off like 3G, 4G etc" are you referring to the fees paid by operators (Voda, O2 etc) to build and run the various network technologies? If so, those were um, to use using frequency bandwith to build run and charge people for using the networks . Same with 5G, and the broadband companies to some extent. There will be another license release one day, but it'll maybe raise 2-3 bn based on the 5G auction.

The telecom companies own the data they generate from their networks; it's of some value, not much, but it belongs to Voda, O2 whatever. So what do you mean? As a rule they could see what site you'd visited but not what you did, not as good as internet companies for targetting.


"Easy enough to reverse match the data to work out where, when & how someone logged on to a football forum then engineer their age, gender etc and target the advertising. It already happens with cookies etc." that may or not be so, but the companies who supply and harvest that data don't pay licenses and own their data already.

Do you mean the government is building or could build a big data set that they could sell to advertisers and to do identity checks to private companies? Maybe, a little naughty perhaps. Let's hope the IT is more competent than their track'n'trace application, eh?

If it already happens with "cookies etc" why would the government replicate it? Facebook already provides pretty comprehensive datasets I believe.

So, what were you trying to say?

 

[m]

Hello. Nice to see another of your hag-ridden posts that is expressed as total nonsense but might have a kernel of sense.

When you say "sold off like 3G, 4G etc" are you referring to the fees paid by operators (Voda, O2 etc) to build and run the various network technologies? If so, those were um, to use using frequency bandwith to build run and charge people for using the networks . Same with 5G, and the broadband companies to some extent. There will be another license release one day, but it'll maybe raise 2-3 bn based on the 5G auction.

The telecom companies own the data they generate from their networks; it's of some value, not much, but it belongs to Voda, O2 whatever. So what do you mean? As a rule they could see what site you'd visited but not what you did, not as good as internet companies for targetting.


"Easy enough to reverse match the data to work out where, when & how someone logged on to a football forum then engineer their age, gender etc and target the advertising. It already happens with cookies etc." that may or not be so, but the companies who supply and harvest that data don't pay licenses and own their data already.

Do you mean the government is building or could build a big data set that they could sell to advertisers and to do identity checks to private companies? Maybe, a little naughty perhaps. Let's hope the IT is more competent than their track'n'trace application, eh?

If it already happens with "cookies etc" why would the government replicate it? Facebook already provides pretty comprehensive datasets I believe.

So, what were you trying to say?

I assumed he meant the latter.

If so, the very idea that the government is capable of building a dataset of any value to those who would want it is laughable.

The private sector is way ahead in the game, wrote and can change the rules, and has the only players of any worth.

Anything the government could get would be of negligible value.

 

[Essexyellows]

Hello. Nice to see another of your hag-ridden posts that is expressed as total nonsense but might have a kernel of sense.

When you say "sold off like 3G, 4G etc" are you referring to the fees paid by operators (Voda, O2 etc) to build and run the various network technologies? If so, those were um, to use using frequency bandwith to build run and charge people for using the networks . Same with 5G, and the broadband companies to some extent. There will be another license release one day, but it'll maybe raise 2-3 bn based on the 5G auction.

The telecom companies own the data they generate from their networks; it's of some value, not much, but it belongs to Voda, O2 whatever. So what do you mean? As a rule they could see what site you'd visited but not what you did, not as good as internet companies for targetting.


"Easy enough to reverse match the data to work out where, when & how someone logged on to a football forum then engineer their age, gender etc and target the advertising. It already happens with cookies etc." that may or not be so, but the companies who supply and harvest that data don't pay licenses and own their data already.

Do you mean the government is building or could build a big data set that they could sell to advertisers and to do identity checks to private companies? Maybe, a little naughty perhaps. Let's hope the IT is more competent than their track'n'trace application, eh?

If it already happens with "cookies etc" why would the government replicate it? Facebook already provides pretty comprehensive datasets I believe.

So, what were you trying to say?

Just speaking broadly that "money" ( the old fashioned folding stuff) is rapidly becoming a thing of the past.
It is all going digital.
No avoiding tax etc.
The BoE print numbers, some of those numbers go to @Paul Cannell `s account less tax.
Electronic transaction pushes the number to the coffee shop, coffee shop uses digital accounts & tax pays Doris and so on.

So the rest of Mr C`s life is also recorded by Alexa, by his car, by his phone, by his digital footprints as he goes on his merry travels.

The "value" is your existence and everything you do becomes a transaction either with the mega-corporations or the state.

And every transaction will take a few numbers and push them around the system.....


Anyway..... back to Covid.
I`m back in the office and there is a huge sh** storm of sick people and the labs are running full chat 24/7.
And every one of those tests is a transaction with a value......

 

[Paul Cannell]

Should have said that, then

 

[Paul Cannell]

I assumed he meant the latter.

If so, the very idea that the government is capable of building a dataset of any value to those who would want it is laughable.

The private sector is way ahead in the game, wrote and can change the rules, and has the only players of any worth.

Anything the government could get would be of negligible value.

Mmm, I agree. On point 2 though " the very idea that the government is capable of building a dataset of any value to those who would want it is laughable." but also scary as fuck. Imagine they try to import all your tax, medical, CRO records, police surmises, movement data, attendance at public events and then employers buy it to do 'personality checks' on prospects? On the bright side, it'll take their consultants a decade or more to discover that you can't do that with Excel and the last thing I'll be looking for by then is employment.

 

[m]

Mmm, I agree. On point 2 though " the very idea that the government is capable of building a dataset of any value to those who would want it is laughable." but also scary as f**k. Imagine they try to import all your tax, medical, CRO records, police surmises, movement data, attendance at public events and then employers buy it to do 'personality checks' on prospects? On the bright side, it'll take their consultants a decade or more to discover that you can't do that with Excel and the last thing I'll be looking for by then is employment.

Well yes.

It's already happening though. Granted not with tax, medical and the likes so much but many peoples cyber footprint is incriminating enough without that.

And those with the data cannot and will not be held to account. The government can at least be voted out.

 

[Paul Cannell]

I suppose tax, benefits, medical and police stuff is all attainable now anyway through universal credit data, for those unfortunate enough to have joined.

 

[Essexyellows]

Should have said that, then

I was getting there.. I was tired......

The world is changing faster than it should and I don`t like it.

Back to Covid..... a stats geek has calculated, from the viral load of each infected person, that there are roughly 3.3 billion viral cells present in the human population.
That equates to around 8mL ...... a bit more than a teaspoon full or a shot glass worth of the stuff.

 

[Essexyellows]

Figures from yesterday Tuesday
32,276 people in Leicestershire have tested positive - up from 31,726 (increase 550).
15,311 (increase of 221) were within the Leicester City Council area.
16,965 (increase of 329) cases were reported in the County.
UHL reported 1 death. The death occurred on the 13th November.
Total number of UHL death's now stands 524.

Today's figures , Wednesday.
32,789 people in Leicestershire have tested positive - up from 32,276 (increase 513).
15,531 (increase of 220) were within the Leicester City Council area.
17,258 (increase of 293) cases were reported in the County.
UHL reported 1 death. The death occurred on the 16th November.
Total number of UHL death's now stands at 525.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Let's hope the government doesn't pander to the public by trying to engineer a somewhat 'normal' Christmas. The science (yes, that old thing) as being reported is that for every day we are allowed to run about infecting others and/or being infected then we will need to lock down properly for five days to redress the balance. A few days freedom at Christmas for all of January January locked up and more illness/death seems like a poor trade to me.
I'd love to see my family at Christmas but (even with some vaccine being available to some people) I'd rather we were cautious, reduced the death rate and had 'Christmas' at Easter if we were in a better place.

 

[TL@69]

Good news today. The Oxford vaccine looks like a possible way forward. Can be refrigerated for transport rather than deep frozen, and its development follows more traditional scientific lines.

It’s also the cheapest, by a long shot as it’s being sold at cost

 

[Tomox]

This is concerning. I've been looking at this a lot over the last couple of months and there have been various reports showing the limited effect lockdowns have on death rates.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Can you explain? The death rate certainly came down in this country as a result of the first lockdown, unless it was a coincidence somehow? As a layman in this area, I'd have thought less people mixing = less transmission = less illness = fewer deaths. Or is that too simplistic?