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The rise of the “long haulers”: how long does Covid-19 last in patients?
Sufferers are haunted by a “ghost of the virus” months after first falling ill.
www.newstatesman.com
An article about the longer term effects of Covid-19 which shows the impact for some.
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If they aren`t analysed then you can`t say they have it or not.
Even routine samples get rejected by the hundred on a normal day in the NHS.
Illegible request, insufficient sample, leaking tubes, contaminated tubes, barcode not attached, patient not on record..... just a few reasons.
If one tube breaks in a bag thats all the samples gone.
Temperature control is a dull basic but people make mistakes.
Then pile on volume & pressure and the reality of the shop floor is far different to that understood by the Whitehall mandarins.
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And your point is?If they aren`t analysed then you can`t say they have it or not.
Even routine samples get rejected by the hundred on a normal day in the NHS.
Illegible request, insufficient sample, leaking tubes, contaminated tubes, barcode not attached, patient not on record..... just a few reasons.
If one tube breaks in a bag thats all the samples gone.
Temperature control is a dull basic but people make mistakes.
Then pile on volume & pressure and the reality of the shop floor is far different to that understood by the Whitehall mandarins.
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Chief scientist Patrick Vallance 'was told off' for backing lockdown
Sir Patrick Vallance said he 'argued stronger than anyone' for harsh restrictions early in the crisis, as he defended his own performance during internal wrangling.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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My point Peter Perfect is that "s**t happens".
If you are going to do 20 million tests than around 5% of them will fail in some way. That is 1 million tests.
Our routine test failure rate across all specialities is rated as Excellent at 2.4%
Inadequate is measured at 10% so my speculative 5% isn`t far out.
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Well here's another reason to miss your target - although I fear this is encroaching into a different argument.......
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But if the govt claims it has capacity for 375,000 tests a day why is the actual number of people being tested is closer to 62,000 a day when many people are struggling to get tested? Why are swabs being transported at the wrong temperature? Is a backlog of 185,000 swabs world beating?
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Capacity is just that... my bank account has a capacity for millions of pounds, doesn`t mean they are in there.
You can only test symptomatic people accurately - no symptoms its a waste of time as the viral load will not register giving a false negative.
Transportation? Take your pick. Was it labelled correctly? Was it sent through a refrigerated courier service? Did the recipient deal with it quick enough? Did someone forget the ice packs? Did it leak? etc etc etc.....
185k swabs out of 18 million or so....... small percentage.
Even within 375k a day it is 50% of 1 day.....until you think we have been swabbing since May.
Reality. Try it, pragmatism is relaxing.
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No he didn't. The person displaying symptoms did.
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Perhaps one for @Essexyellows who has some experience in the field and can give an informed answer. I saw on the news today that Germany are now testing every arrival from “at risk countries” with swab samples and then returning results in six hours. According to the German scientists they have a 97% success rate.
Considering the seeming return to normality, relatively low deaths and “second peak” what is it that we in the U.K. aren’t doing right? I’ve said before that there appear to be countries performing far better with people living relatively normal lives. Is it PHE, Boris screwing up, lack of labs etc?
It feels like another one of those early situations where you’re sat next to the clever kid in class and instead of copying his work you sit there and fail the test. For me Boris should be focussing on opening the economy up following the work being done in Germany and not getting people to Nando’s for an extra half chicken.
Considering the seeming return to normality, relatively low deaths and “second peak” what is it that we in the U.K. aren’t doing right? I’ve said before that there appear to be countries performing far better with people living relatively normal lives. Is it PHE, Boris screwing up, lack of labs etc?
It feels like another one of those early situations where you’re sat next to the clever kid in class and instead of copying his work you sit there and fail the test. For me Boris should be focussing on opening the economy up following the work being done in Germany and not getting people to Nando’s for an extra half chicken.
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Yes I read that as well. Probably different days.
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20.2 million tests processed in the UK so far.
13.4 million in Germany for comparison.
@carefreeoufc Germany are testing at airports for "high risk countries", those passengers can also be tested in the country they are leaving up to 48 hours before travel or "up to 3 days after arriving" so make what you wish of that. Easy to grab a headline of "turnaround time" from a broad brush.
Broader numbers in the system......
Patients in mechanical ventilation beds - England 15/9-101, highest since 23/7
Hospitalisations - England. 13/9-153, highest since 1/7
Patients being treated across England for Cov-19 - 878.
Now some clever folk are suggesting that we are in a Gompertz curve (you`ll have to google it!!) rather than a second wave.
Others are saying the testing is finding more BEFORE they get hospital ill.
And others are saying............. we are all doomed!
Locally Oadby & Wigston have surged up the 7 day case rate to nearly beat Oldham, its like the pools panel have gone bonkers!
13.4 million in Germany for comparison.
@carefreeoufc Germany are testing at airports for "high risk countries", those passengers can also be tested in the country they are leaving up to 48 hours before travel or "up to 3 days after arriving" so make what you wish of that. Easy to grab a headline of "turnaround time" from a broad brush.
Broader numbers in the system......
Patients in mechanical ventilation beds - England 15/9-101, highest since 23/7
Hospitalisations - England. 13/9-153, highest since 1/7
Patients being treated across England for Cov-19 - 878.
Now some clever folk are suggesting that we are in a Gompertz curve (you`ll have to google it!!) rather than a second wave.
Others are saying the testing is finding more BEFORE they get hospital ill.
And others are saying............. we are all doomed!
Locally Oadby & Wigston have surged up the 7 day case rate to nearly beat Oldham, its like the pools panel have gone bonkers!
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Perhaps it’s not a govt backed initiative but they are doing (Lufthansa) free rests at the airport with a six hour turnaround https://www.lufthansa.com/gb/en/corona-testcenter also being conducted in other German airports too which means travellers can arrive with the results as you’ve mentioned or simply land and have a test if they’re willing to wait.
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Looks like a combination of private (paid either by airline or passenger) and German Red Cross (free)?
For that turnaround time they must have an onsite/nearby lab but the demand would be far more manageable than an NHS lab!!
Given time I can see that being set up at our major airports.
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