Ex Player Rob Dickie

[Manorlounger]

Reading are happy tonight.

Does make you wonder how much of a sell on clause they had.

 

[RyanioBirdio]

I'm happy with the Moore and Atkinson CB partnership, but less happy with Mousinho and Jones covering if either Moore or Atkinson get a long term injury.
Maybe we do need another baller in!

Atkinson has played no games in the EFL and Moore has only played half a season’s worth. Mousinho is essentially a player-coach now and at 34 his legs could go in the space of a fortnight. We are really light at centre back. It would be a gamble to stay as we are.

One thing I would say is that Atkinson looks to have all the raw ingredients, and this time in 12-18 months he may well be an absolute dynamo. But... he’s going to need some things coaching out of him.




This is something he did a few times across the Brentford, QPR and Palace games, and which is only in this highlights clip because he didn’t lose possession, which he did several times in the other matches. He’s a very strong runner and brings the ball into midfield powerfully as you can see from the first image, but he has a tendency to then turn his body 90 degrees and try to flick the ball sideways, whether it’s to a full back or a midfielder who has dropped off. This is dangerous as he’s essentially inviting any opposition player who is running towards him to get a toe on it and run in a straight line towards the goal, with a big open space in behind him. His body position might shield the ball from a striker who is tracking him, but the midfield presser who comes to meet him is presented with absolutely no obstruction. It’s a very risky position for the body to be in, especially at pace. He will need to alter that and perhaps plot different routes before he sets off, where he can release the ball forwards and play it into feet without having to open his body.

He’s more than capable of carrying the ball huge distances in principle - he’s got excellent physical attributes in terms of pace and power. But people might just need to be aware that he’s going to make the odd mistake while he learns. After a season of being in and around the starting eleven of a L1 side, once he’s developed and learned a few lessons, he could be a real find.

 

[pidge]

One thing that is 100% certain at this moment in time is Rob Atkinson is 10x the player at set pieces to what Rob Dickie is. Atkinson wins his headers and causes the keeper problem more often then not with a header on target or laying it off to someone else. Dickie was frustrating because he was so big but the headers were either wayward of the target or he got no where near the ball.

Will be interesting to see how Dickie comes at a higher level with his defending at set pieces. In the play offs alone he got away with a few things that could’ve been a penalty because he has that tendency to hold on to his man when defending.

 

[Hamiltons Knee]

Atkinson has played no games in the EFL and Moore has only played half a season’s worth. Mousinho is essentially a player-coach now and at 34 his legs could go in the space of a fortnight. We are really light at centre back. It would be a gamble to stay as we are.

One thing I would say is that Atkinson looks to have all the raw ingredients, and this time in 12-18 months he may well be an absolute dynamo. But... he’s going to need some things coaching out of him.

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This is something he did a few times across the Brentford, QPR and Palace games, and which is only in this highlights clip because he didn’t lose possession, which he did several times in the other matches. He’s a very strong runner and brings the ball into midfield powerfully as you can see from the first image, but he has a tendency to then turn his body 90 degrees and try to flick the ball sideways, whether it’s to a full back or a midfielder who has dropped off. This is dangerous as he’s essentially inviting any opposition player who is running towards him to get a toe on it and run in a straight line towards the goal, with a big open space in behind him. His body position might shield the ball from a striker who is tracking him, but the midfield presser who comes to meet him is presented with absolutely no obstruction. It’s a very risky position for the body to be in, especially at pace. He will need to alter that and perhaps plot different routes before he sets off, where he can release the ball forwards and play it into feet without having to open his body.

He’s more than capable of carrying the ball huge distances in principle - he’s got excellent physical attributes in terms of pace and power. But people might just need to be aware that he’s going to make the odd mistake while he learns. After a season of being in and around the starting eleven of a L1 side, once he’s developed and learned a few lessons, he could be a real find.

KR's way of playing is at it's most effective when we move the ball fast which pulls the opposing team out of position. However that cannot always be the case and possession is the first objective. We often find ourselves passing across the back four thus giving the other team chance to recover their positions. Carrying the ball brings players to you taking them out of position and therefore creating space and opportunity. Atkinson can and will do that which is a good thing but as you say we are going to have to be prepared for a few mistakes. Running with the ball almost anywhere will always be a major creative in any game so with McGuane looking to run at the opposition whenever he can and with no shortage of talent this looks like quite a positive for this season, but the whole team needs to be prepared to do the running when it goes wrong.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Dickie ... has that tendency to hold on to his man when defending.

That's a good point - there were quite a few times when I felt that Dickie was a bit lucky to get away with his manhandling of opposition players. It'll be interesting to see if that is picked up more in the Championship - but it's no longer our problem (for good or ill!).

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

One thing we can all agree on - can we get him to sign a cheeky contract extension, maybe with an option for an extra year, while he’s still flying high being here?

And yes, there were times at the club where Nelson would have done the same thing (early on)

 

[Mad Dog]

Atkinson has played no games in the EFL and Moore has only played half a season’s worth. Mousinho is essentially a player-coach now and at 34 his legs could go in the space of a fortnight. We are really light at centre back. It would be a gamble to stay as we are.

One thing I would say is that Atkinson looks to have all the raw ingredients, and this time in 12-18 months he may well be an absolute dynamo. But... he’s going to need some things coaching out of him.

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This is something he did a few times across the Brentford, QPR and Palace games, and which is only in this highlights clip because he didn’t lose possession, which he did several times in the other matches. He’s a very strong runner and brings the ball into midfield powerfully as you can see from the first image, but he has a tendency to then turn his body 90 degrees and try to flick the ball sideways, whether it’s to a full back or a midfielder who has dropped off. This is dangerous as he’s essentially inviting any opposition player who is running towards him to get a toe on it and run in a straight line towards the goal, with a big open space in behind him. His body position might shield the ball from a striker who is tracking him, but the midfield presser who comes to meet him is presented with absolutely no obstruction. It’s a very risky position for the body to be in, especially at pace. He will need to alter that and perhaps plot different routes before he sets off, where he can release the ball forwards and play it into feet without having to open his body.

He’s more than capable of carrying the ball huge distances in principle - he’s got excellent physical attributes in terms of pace and power. But people might just need to be aware that he’s going to make the odd mistake while he learns. After a season of being in and around the starting eleven of a L1 side, once he’s developed and learned a few lessons, he could be a real find.

My point is exactly. I accept that Mous is getting on now, and might struggle to reproduce his form from last season, but at the moment, he’s our only experienced CB, and Moore and Atkinson don’t have anywhere near enough experience between them to be our number one pairing at the moment, which is why we really need a more experienced CB to come in and help Mous share the load with helping the other two rookies, and then maybe Jones could benefit from a season long loan to a league 2 club, ready to become a genuine CB option next season, once Mous hangs up his boots.

 

[Oxt1]

My point is exactly. I accept that Mous is getting on now, and might struggle to reproduce his form from last season, but at the moment, he’s our only experienced CB, and Moore and Atkinson don’t have anywhere near enough experience between them to be our number one pairing at the moment, which is why we really need a more experienced CB to come in and help Mous share the load with helping the other two rookies, and then maybe Jones could benefit from a season long loan to a league 2 club, ready to become a genuine CB option next season, once Mous hangs up his boots.

Moore has 80 odd games under his belt, 60+ of those in the Belgian top division in a team that saw enough in him to make him captain. He is hardly a rookie.

 

[Oufcrealist]

Moore has 80 odd games under his belt, 60+ of those in the Belgian top division in a team that saw enough in him to make him captain. He is hardly a rookie.

It was the Belgian second division. But good experience none the less. I think they got promoted back to the top league for this season.

 

[Mad Dog]

Moore has 80 odd games under his belt, 60+ of those in the Belgian top division in a team that saw enough in him to make him captain. He is hardly a rookie.

Don’t get me wrong, I like Moore, and Atkinson looks like he has the potential to be pretty special, but all I’m saying is that if our senior first choice CB pairing this season turns out to be a player who’s never played at this level before, and a player who has played only 20 odd games at this level and 60 odd games at league 2 level in Belgium, then it’s a big risk not to provide them with a couple of experienced CB as back up.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Don’t get me wrong, I like Moore, and Atkinson looks like he has the potential to be pretty special, but all I’m saying is that if our senior first choice CB pairing this season turns out to be a player who’s never played at this level before, and a player who has played only 20 odd games at this level and 60 odd games at league 2 level in Belgium, then it’s a big risk not to provide them with a couple of experienced CB as back up.

It's always a conundrum though. Would an experienced CB who feels he has a year or two left in him want to come and potentially sit on the bench for the greater part of the season (if Moore and Atkinson - isn't it nice to have an Atkinson on the team sheet again! - work out as we hope).? Or is Mous actually that player anyway? At times last season, after a slightly shaky start - he was excellent. I know we are a few months further on, but maybe he can be that good again? I suppose if we had an unlimited budget and enough free slots in the squad then I'd say 'get someone in' but on the basis that neither of those are true, I think I'd prefer to add a bit of speed on at least one flank and have another striker.

 

[mooro]

The only question with mous is whether he can hit the ground running if he is needed to come in for the odd start, or whether he'll need a couple of games each time to iron out the rust and mistakes?

The other thing is that we appear to have missed the opportunity to see how long does centrally nowadays.

 

[Big Ronaldo]

Atkinson is undoubtedly raw, but he should be a shoe in after the departure of Rob Dickie. When RD first arrived, he was played left side of central defence ( to accommodate Nelson on the right) and was nowhere near the dominant player that ended this last season.
I see a lot of similar traits in the lad and I think that he has all the attributes needed to impose himself in this league.

 

[beyondthefourth]

The other thing is that we appear to have missed the opportunity to see how long does centrally nowadays.

He played centrally against Brentford in the second half and gave away the penalty.

He's not good aerially, or particularly comfortable playing out from the back. Certainly wouldn't be the first option I'd go for as CB, regardless of that being his primary position as a youngster.

 

[Common Villager]

He played centrally against Brentford in the second half and gave away the penalty.

He's not good aerially, or particularly comfortable playing out from the back. Certainly wouldn't be the first option I'd go for as CB, regardless of that being his primary position as a youngster.

Long gave away the penalty.

 

[beyondthefourth]

Long gave away the penalty.

Yep, that's who I was talking about.

 

[Teacher]

How do people use Mous not being decent in pre season as credible form over the majority of last season?

He was 7/10 most games last season.

 

[Lincoln.yellow1]

I think we are a right back and a central defender short of what could be a team to light this league alight this season.
Long, as much as he is a battler and a fighter needs one or two more seasons to be first choice and history denotes we do need one dominant centre back to be successful, and we have certainly had our fair share in the past.
Going forward we look the real deal and in our midfield especially with Cameron re-signing we have flair, steel and goals from that area of the pitch.

 

[DavidB]

I think we are a right back and a central defender short of what could be a team to light this league alight this season.
Long, as much as he is a battler and a fighter needs one or two more seasons to be first choice and history denotes we do need one dominant centre back to be successful, and we have certainly had our fair share in the past.
Going forward we look the real deal and in our midfield especially with Cameron re-signing we have flair, steel and goals from that area of the pitch.

What about the signing of Clare?

 

[Scotchegg]

What about the signing of Clare?

I think another 4 or 5 right backs and we should be fine!!!