Ex Player Alex Rodriguez Gorrin

Just waiting for everyone to say this that and the other about how we don’t see X, Y and Z in training... what this argument fails to counter though is that it doesn’t matter what you do in training, it’s what you do in a competitive match. You could be the laziest piece of sh*t out Monday - Friday, but if you’re banging goals in on a Saturday, most clubs would snap you up no problems

From what I’ve seen so far, Agyei has produced more than enough on match days to deserve his opportunity ahead of Mackie
Finally somebody has said it. I’ve been going mad sitting here and thinking to myself, “So hang on, if someone trains brilliantly and then never produces at all in a match situation, they’re doing their job?” That’s like saying someone doing really well in driving lessons is the important part, so it doesn’t matter that they’re always fluffing their test and therefore can’t get their license. It all comes down to those match situations, always, and Agyei has started to show he can offer us something positive and affect games. Sure, maybe he is raw, but I don’t think anyone is saying he’s definitely some sort of relentless, undercover goal machine in waiting. Although maybe he is - we’ve no way of knowing. What they are saying, increasingly, is that it’s incredibly peculiar that others aren’t performing and are barely offering anything, and yet they’re getting opportunity after opportunity, week after week, month after month, and this guy can’t even get off the bench for 10 minutes in a game we’re already 3-0 down in. Despite the fact that he helped turn the game against a PL side just four days earlier. He is our player - he has 2.5 years left on his contract and joined us from a Premier League side. He is exactly the sort of player we are supposed to be signing for ‘The Model’ and yet the poor sod can’t do anything. The frustrating part is that he will probably be given a start at some point, and unless he absolutely rips it up immediately both the manager and the apologists will use it to debunk anybody who ever called for him to get a chance. Mackie can score 2 goals in 35 games and we aren’t allowed to question that, and have to keep seeing him stomp about and giving him more chances, but I’m willing to bet that Dan Agyei could start two games in a row and unless he smashed in a brace it would be used as ‘proof’ that he isn’t good enough. It’s feeling less and less like a fair fight.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see him not even getting on the bench at Burton. Forde will come back into the 18 any game now and Hanson is also fit again, and looking at the rest of the bench from yesterday I have no idea who is realistically going to be bumped out to accommodate even one of them besides Agyei. If he’s on the verge of not even being able to sit on the bench, it’s a damn shame. I don’t know how little the other strikers have to do, or for how long, before we can see him just play a game or two.
 
The frustrating part is that he will probably be given a start at some point, and unless he absolutely rips it up immediately both the manager and the apologists will use it to debunk anybody who ever called for him to get a chance. Mackie can score 2 goals in 35 games and we aren’t allowed to question that, and have to keep seeing him stomp about and giving him more chances, but I’m willing to bet that Dan Agyei could start two games in a row and unless he smashed in a brace it would be used as ‘proof’ that he isn’t good enough. It’s feeling less and less like a fair fight.

This, this, this! I predict exactly this will happen, and it’s annoying how predictable (and unfair) it is that any start from Agyei which doesn’t produce goals and an 8+ performance will be used as ‘proof’ that we were wrong all along. I just hope the manager won’t stoop so low as to come out and say it.
 
This, this, this! I predict exactly this will happen, and it’s annoying how predictable (and unfair) it is that any start from Agyei which doesn’t produce goals and an 8+ performance will be used as ‘proof’ that we were wrong all along. I just hope the manager won’t stoop so low as to come out and say it.
Well the only thing he said about Dan Agyei in his post match interview on Tuesday was that he “missed a sitter”, when not only was that untrue given Ritchie made probably the challenge of his career to throw himself in the way of it, but was also totally unfair seeing as it was his pace and power that not only pushed Newcastle back, but which outright won the free kick that we scored from when he was chopped down. Not only did he fail to offer any sort of slight praise for his genuine contribution, he actively chose to criticise him. It was mean spirited and unnecessary.

Anyway, on to Tuesday, when the next chapter of this fascinating tale is released.
 
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Perhaps the role we are asking him to play at OUFC is different than the one he has played elsewhere? Or even he's catching up from a lack of pre-season.
 
Maybe like Hanson somebody else signed him and Robinson doesn’t want to play him he’s clearly better than Mackie offers more than both Mackie and Taylor imo would be a terrifying front three Browne agyei Holland all three could rotate in different positions we could drop Sykes back to play alongside Henry with Gorrin in the hole that would be creative and a reasonably quick team to play Tuesday
 
I'm with @RyanioBirdio and @HampshireYellow on this. I have been impressed by Agyei's strength and speed each time he has managed a cameo spell on the pitch and always left me wanting to see more. When he failed to even make the bench against Blackpool and both Taylor and Mackie did, I was just astounded. He is fit, Taylor is/was not. In 26 appearances Mackie has scored twice. In 6 appearances Agyei has scored once. Not hugely telling stats but surely he deserves more than being a fringe player at best?
 
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Maybe like Hanson somebody else signed him and Robinson doesn’t want to play him he’s clearly better than Mackie offers more than both Mackie and Taylor imo would be a terrifying front three Browne agyei Holland all three could rotate in different positions we could drop Sykes back to play alongside Henry with Gorrin in the hole that would be creative and a reasonably quick team to play Tuesday
I have been quietly musing the same ...another player we have spent good money on yet doesn't seem to get the backing of Robbo
 
I'm with @RyanioBirdio and @HampshireYellow on this. I have been impressed by Agyei's strength and speed each time he has manged a cameo spell on the pitch and always left me wanting to see more. When he failed to even make the bench against Blackpool and both Taylor and Mackie did, I was just astounded. He is fit, Taylor is/was not. In 26 appearances Mackie has scored twice. In 6 appearances Agyei has scored once. Not hugely telling stats but surely he deserves more than being a fringe player at best?
And in 43 league one career appearances he has scored 8 goals. The mind boggles.
 
I'm with @RyanioBirdio and @HampshireYellow on this. I have been impressed by Agyei's strength and speed each time he has manged a cameo spell on the pitch and always left me wanting to see more. When he failed to even make the bench against Blackpool and both Taylor and Mackie did, I was just astounded. He is fit, Taylor is/was not. In 26 appearances Mackie has scored twice. In 6 appearances Agyei has scored once. Not hugely telling stats but surely he deserves more than being a fringe player at best?


And of those 6 appearances he's probably came of the bench in four of them!
 
Could it be that Mackie's contract is that he only gets paid if he plays? I agree it's difficult to understand why Agyei gets such little game time.
 
A few weeks ago, when KR had a chance to name some U23s in the match day squad but didn't, with citing KR 'they hadn't proved enough to me', most people seemed to agree. So why does this argument (even if not said publicly by KR) not wash with Agyei? It's clear that KR doesn't fancy him, despite his encouraging displays on the pitch. I'm going to trot out that argument again, but KR sees him train every week, as do the whole coaching staff. Faz, Chrissy Allen, Garry Parker, Chris Short - they aren't idiots, there are all these people who help make the decisions. If every single one of them was saying what everyone on this thread is saying to Karl, there's no way he wouldn't be picked. Why he's not? I don't know. But until whatever problems behind the scenes are causing him to be on the fringes, they need to be worked out soon.
 
Perhaps the role we are asking him to play at OUFC is different than the one he has played elsewhere? Or even he's catching up from a lack of pre-season.

You could forgive a lack of pre-season in the autumn for the lack of games but not by February!

I think we were all happy with the team KR kept putting out when we were winning back in the months prior to Christmas too. We were competing and winning without Agyei. However, with a threadbare squad and KR moaning about lack of resources, he has a fresh and ready to go player sat there and won’t even bother giving him the last 10 when 3-0 down.

It’s a common trait in football fans when things are going awry to make a hero or villain out of an unknown quantity in the squad. I remember a thread last year bizarrely blaming Fazackerly for our poor form and we all had a giggle at the nonsensical Henry Landers thread. However, this time the ‘hero’ is more than justified because in the rare moments he has had, he’s looked more effective than what we already have. I don’t think anyone is making out that he is Messi but deserving of a start when others are looking jaded or their effectiveness is on the wane.
 
You could forgive a lack of pre-season in the autumn for the lack of games but not by February!

I think we were all happy with the team KR kept putting out when we were winning back in the months prior to Christmas too. We were competing and winning without Agyei. However, with a threadbare squad and KR moaning about lack of resources, he has a fresh and ready to go player sat there and won’t even bother giving him the last 10 when 3-0 down.

It’s a common trait in football fans when things are going awry to make a hero or villain out of an unknown quantity in the squad. I remember a thread last year bizarrely blaming Fazackerly for our poor form and we all had a giggle at the nonsensical Henry Landers thread. However, this time the ‘hero’ is more than justified because in the rare moments he has had, he’s looked more effective than what we already have. I don’t think anyone is making out that he is Messi but deserving of a start when others are looking jaded or their effectiveness is on the wane.
It's more catching up on fitness, team structure and of course the move south.. He looked ok in the City game, but was prone to standing around rather than moving.

I'm not digging the kid out at all, but it seems a bit desperate for some fans to latch on to him without perhaps peeking behind the curtain and understanding there may be good reasons he's not played as much as they'd hope. And certainly, listening to KR talk about Agyei for the past few months has been interesting.
 
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