Potential New Ground

[bazzer9461]

I am not itk, but my guess is that it would be a lot less expensive with a new ground taking account the profit to be made on the surrounding leisure facilities/ hotels.
My guess is that financially the Kassam just wont work.

Sorry I don’t mean to sound sceptical but have we got leisure/Hotel facilities in the new potential ground?

 

[Scotchegg]

Match day income scotch would not be enough to sustain us unless we build lots of office space and do what Fleetwood do and rent for extortionate fees .

No stadium will be built without leisure, retail and social spaces included. Look at Stadium MK as an example of what a new ground would look like. Hotel, gym, conference centre, cinema, restaurants, bars, retail units. All of which will make shitloads if we get the location right.

 

[bazzer9461]

No stadium will be built without leisure, retail and social spaces included. Look at Stadium MK as an example of what a new ground would look like. Hotel, gym, conference centre, cinema, restaurants, bars, retail units. All of which will make shitloads if we get the location right.

It would and tbf stadium MK is the envy of most EFL and some championship clubs, but it would be nice to know how much rent they have to pay and how much income from their leisure facilities and other things actually how to the fakes. Also where in Oxford would there be 5 sites with that amount of space?

 

[Manorlounger]

Sorry I don’t mean to sound sceptical but have we got leisure/Hotel facilities in the new potential ground?

No stadium will be built without leisure, retail and social spaces included. Look at Stadium MK as an example of what a new ground would look like. Hotel, gym, conference centre, cinema, restaurants, bars, retail units. All of which will make shitloads if we get the location right.

If the guys have done their homework, and I feel confident they have, then there will be more than just a stadium, hotel and a shop.

I had a conversation with Mr McWilliams a while back and warned him about the planning complications, he was very confident that that issue would not be a problem. Now, whilst I have some doubts as to his capabilities as GM, he is correct, in my view, to believe that the local authorities would be onside with a development including a stadium. But, this development, again, in my view, would be for far more. The various green belt sites under consideration for development, primarily to absorb the need for housing, are more than large enough to support a multi use development. Moreover, the provision of a community based sports complex with access for the community and support from a professionally run organisation (perhaps called OUFC) would garner much support from those same local authorities.

 

[Foley]

No stadium will be built without leisure, retail and social spaces included. Look at Stadium MK as an example of what a new ground would look like. Hotel, gym, conference centre, cinema, restaurants, bars, retail units. All of which will make shitloads if we get the location right.

I hate Stadium MK.
I hope that we aim to have fewer prawn sandwiches than that lot.

 

[Scotchegg]

I hate Stadium MK.
I hope that we aim to have fewer prawn sandwiches than that lot.

I'm not a big fan myself, but it does manage to incorporate additional income sources throughout the ground. The footprint of the Kassam, hotel, ozone and car parking is massive and a new build would be able to create the same and more on a much smaller site if needed. I agree with @Manorlounger that community/social inclusion is also fundamental to what we are hoping to create.

 

[holdsteady]

MK Dons are losing a ton of money according to Winkleman this week so perhaps not the greatest example?

 

[Scotchegg]

MK Dons are losing a ton of money according to Winkleman this week so perhaps not the greatest example?

That is down to business models rather than a particular design.

 

[Manorlounger]

I'm not a big fan myself, but it does manage to incorporate additional income sources throughout the ground. The footprint of the Kassam, hotel, ozone and car parking is massive and a new build would be able to create the same and more on a much smaller site if needed. I agree with @Manorlounger that community/social inclusion is also fundamental to what we are hoping to create.

Ditch any thoughts of MK. Huge mistake. Wouldn't get past planning in Oxford anyway.
Think of a stadium within a total complex of other facilities. Shops, hotels, conference suites, restaurants etc. Housing is paramount so more social housing required along with student accommodation with social interactive areas - gardens/parks - Any transport would be limited to public and delivery only. Think along the lines of the Barbican in London. Underground parking where possible but mainly links via public transport. Oxford has been pushing private transport out of the city for years and this would garner interest with that mentality. (hate it myself but that's how it will be!)

 

[MarkG]

I’m sure the listen again will be up soon if not already but bits I gleaned were:

* That the mysterious new shareholder is just a different company name from the current owners (although he didn’t know for whom)
* That it was a conscious decision for him to get more involved with fronting up interviews as he both recognised the need and because he’s the only UK (London) based Board member.
* Some of the usual gubbins about merchandising when asked about the global brand of Oxford.
* That the current ground situation is not sustainable and that they would like to have a new solution sorted within a few years.
* That West Ham is about the only near sell out so that was why ST ticket prices are full price. He apologised that some won’t like it but hoped people would value the transparency.

That last point was indeed a positive and it was yet another good piece of PR. He’s in Spain today but confirmed he’ll be back in time for Fleetwood (as with all games) and that his wife is sick of hearing about it.

Basically, he was very good as usual.

Come on someone knows something. The hawk gets his question answered first. Brown sports management Indonesia apparently a shareholder. (PT is just their equivalent of limited company ).

 

[Manorlounger]

Come on someone knows something. The hawk gets his question answered first. Brown sports management Indonesia apparently a shareholder. (PT is just their equivalent of limited company ).

There are two directors with more than strong links to Indonesia.
1. Anindya Bakrie

2. Erik Thohir

Both are listed by Oxford United Football Club Ltd. as resident in Indonesia. Both are Indonesian by nationality.
Whether that means anything or not, I don't know.

 

[MarkG]

There are two directors with more than strong links to Indonesia.
1. Anindya Bakrie

2. Erik Thohir

Both are listed by Oxford United Football Club Ltd. as resident in Indonesia. Both are Indonesian by nationality.
Whether that means anything or not, I don't know.

Yes, but where does brown sports management suddenly pop up as a shareholder ? (Presumably in the holding company )

 

[Scotchegg]

Yes, but where does brown sports management suddenly pop up as a shareholder ? (Presumably in the holding company )

Wasn't it shown that they were shareholders in the holding company, and Zaki confirmed (to an extent) that they were just a new company set up by one of the existing shareholders?

Unless there are any doubts other what Zaki said, then I'm not sure this is a major issue.

 

[bazzer9461]

If the guys have done their homework, and I feel confident they have, then there will be more than just a stadium, hotel and a shop.

I had a conversation with Mr McWilliams a while back and warned him about the planning complications, he was very confident that that issue would not be a problem. Now, whilst I have some doubts as to his capabilities as GM, he is correct, in my view, to believe that the local authorities would be onside with a development including a stadium. But, this development, again, in my view, would be for far more. The various green belt sites under consideration for development, primarily to absorb the need for housing, are more than large enough to support a multi use development. Moreover, the provision of a community based sports complex with access for the community and support from a professionally run organisation (perhaps called OUFC) would garner much support from those same local authorities.

Yes I spoke to N, McWilliams as well before the manure city game he did say we had 6 years to get it sorted before our lease would run out, but the only thing I worried about is the sites they’re looking at to sustain a model that will include leisure and hotel facilities plus a stadium big enough, he also said he would like to have a stadium similar to Doncaster’s, it’s just where though?

You talk of Green belt if so that will be a lot gaged to win planing permission.

But yes this needs sorting.

 

[Manorlounger]

Yes I spoke to N, McWilliams as well before the manure city game he did say we had 6 years to get it sorted before our lease would run out, but the only thing I worried about is the sites they’re looking at to sustain a model that will include leisure and hotel facilities plus a stadium big enough, he also said he would like to have a stadium similar to Doncaster’s, it’s just where though?

You talk of Green belt if so that will be a lot gaged to win planing permission.

But yes this needs sorting.

Green belt issues were sorted long time ago. OCC commissioned a study to look at the viability and potential harm to other green belt sites of releasing some areas to development. This was in line with central government policy to alleviate housing shortages and to facilitate outdoor sports.

That policy identified various sites as being open to consideration. My favourite of those sites is the Old Marston area. Just over 58 hectares of land. (there is a sub section of 17 Ha around Hill View Farm but I suspect that there may be some opposition from the current inhabitant!)
The best plot of all has already been given the go ahead. This is the, so called, Northern Gateway. Sadly, this development has already been scaled back by the developers themselves. I say sadly, because in its original design it would have been a fantastic fit for housing, shops, offices, entertainment and stadium. There was even an artists mock up of an entrance to a large venue from a street level.
Another site which might have been considered, although not the best, is at Wolvercote. The old paper mill is now ready to start with planning passed and good to go. This is an area within green belt protection.

I've posted this before but, just to bring to people's attention again, here is the link:
2017 Green Belt study

 

[West Oxon U’s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1169324250416779264

£10,000 per day losses at MK Dons says Pete Winkelman.

 

[werthersoriginal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1169324250416779264

£10,000 per day losses at MK Dons says Pete Winkelman.

They should spend less money then. Maybe they shouldn’t have invested in players to get them promoted. They may have to ground share with Wimbledon eventually

 

[Scotchegg]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1169324250416779264

£10,000 per day losses at MK Dons says Pete Winkelman.

I'm not do sure those figures are accurate.£10k a week is £3.5m a year which is more than we're losing without all of the additional revenue streams their stadium provides, and I'd be amazed if their playing budget is as high as ours. And they'll pick up around £500k for the Liverpool game alone which wouldn't have been budgeted for, so things could be a hell of a lot worse!!

 

[AbbeyOx]

build in the centre of the city but make it look like an old university building from the outside. simples

 

[cassox]

Took 40 years to get the shithole ka$$tad so i wont be holding my breath.....Bicester is the best bet...maybe incorporated into the waterpark idea???