A New World Class Community Stadium For The U’s

Scotchegg said:
If you're not fussed about all the new stadium or buying the stadium stuff then maybe this thread is not for you. Also, if you are unable to see how reducing the rent, increasing income and sharing additional revenue has any benefit on our club, then I'm not sure there is any point in further communication.
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On the contrary, it’s my frustration at people like you who think this will all come for free.
I watch football, not care if the owners can make millions off the back of it, there is not such thing as a “club” anymore since the money men have moved in on football, the club equates to the owner now so sustainability is only saving the owners outlay.
So by your reckoning they have to pump in in excess of £100m to start the process of being sustainable, I wonder how many years it might take to realise that dream.
How many teams in the football league made a profit last year? Brighton who you held up as an example are owing their owner over £120m,
 
Foley said:
Yes I agree rather odd comments.
One of the few people who seems like the Kassam Stadium, like good old Firoz and thinks that the current arrangement is sustainable.
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When you say few, do you mean on here or the whole fan base, I would guess 40% of our fans have only known the Kassam.
When you say sustainable, you surely don’t mean that with all these billionaires in tow.
The yearly rent and service charge is nothing to these guys.
Unlike some I don’t hate FK, I can see what he has and hasn’t done for the club over the years, and the journey continues until someone puts their hand in their pocket.
 
LondonRoader said:
On the contrary, it’s my frustration at people like you who think this will all come for free.
I watch football, not care if the owners can make millions off the back of it, there is not such thing as a “club” anymore since the money men have moved in on football, the club equates to the owner now so sustainability is only saving the owners outlay.
So by your reckoning they have to pump in in excess of £100m to start the process of being sustainable, I wonder how many years it might take to realise that dream.
How many teams in the football league made a profit last year? Brighton who you held up as an example are owing their owner over £120m,
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You may not like money men coming into our club, but whats the alternative?

Fans want us to compete. They want us to get the best players, on the longest contracts. They want large squads, youth set ups. They also want affordable access with ticket prices kept as low as possible, improved facilities, clean toilets, decent food and drink etc.

This isn't possible at our level without these money men funding this at a cost of a couple of million quid a year. IL, DE and Tiger have all realised that the club is unsustainable without the stadium, and SD came to the same conclusion when looking to get involved. So we either need to find a solution or accept that at some point people are going to stop pumping millions in and we will fall through the leagues and likely go out of existance.

As for sustainability, Brighton have had to fund a new stadium and progression through the league. They may well owe £120m but another couple of years in the PL will wipe that out.
 
LondonRoader said:
On the contrary, it’s my frustration at people like you who think this will all come for free.
I watch football, not care if the owners can make millions off the back of it, there is not such thing as a “club” anymore since the money men have moved in on football, the club equates to the owner now so sustainability is only saving the owners outlay.
So by your reckoning they have to pump in in excess of £100m to start the process of being sustainable, I wonder how many years it might take to realise that dream.
How many teams in the football league made a profit last year? Brighton who you held up as an example are owing their owner over £120m,
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Losing £1m to £2m a year is ok?
I believe that Kassam fleeced us (suggesting that we would benefit from the surrounding businesses) Ah that's fine as he is a 'businessman'
The MK model is surely better than the Kassam model?
No body us suggesting that anything will come for free. They are suggesting that a decently structured deal could be win win win for the Council, the directors and the club.
It cant be a lot worse than it is (unless we go bankrupt which is possible with such h huge losses). Plus a landlord who I believe would love the club to go under (from a 'business ' perspective he would maximise his income)
 
LondonRoader said:
When you say few, do you mean on here or the whole fan base, I would guess 40% of our fans have only known the Kassam.
When you say sustainable, you surely don’t mean that with all these billionaires in tow.
The yearly rent and service charge is nothing to these guys.
Unlike some I don’t hate FK, I can see what he has and hasn’t done for the club over the years, and the journey continues until someone puts their hand in their pocket.
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The billionaires are clearly here for the potential ground opportunity. Do you not seriously think that?
So if that doesn't come off they will be off. There will not be an ever ending number of owners willing to subsidise the club to £1m plus per annum.
Kassam's journey has been a bit of a bad joke
 
Foley said:
The billionaires are clearly here for the potential ground opportunity. Do you not seriously think that?
So if that doesn't come off they will be off. There will not be an ever ending number of owners willing to subsidise the club to £1m plus per annum.
Kassam's journey has been a bit of a bad joke
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And when they go who are you left with ?
 
LondonRoader said:
And when they go who are you left with ?
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Isn’t this the same question with ever single owner at every club, ever? The fact they are building the infrastructure, the academy the training ground all things that are long term and will benefit us long after they are gone, and push us towards sustainability rather than running up further losses each season. The fact they are following a successful model that’s worked for us recently in buying in young talent and selling for large profit, although it seems we may now be able to stick a little longer before selling, making the profits even higher. I’m not quite sure what or who u want owning the club, or considering our position how they would do much better with what we have ? Who is this dream owner that’s gonna gift is a stadium, write off all our debts, and give us a big enough budget to take us up the leagues ?
 
Foley said:
Losing £1m to £2m a year is ok?
I believe that Kassam fleeced us (suggesting that we would benefit from the surrounding businesses) Ah that's fine as he is a 'businessman'
The MK model is surely better than the Kassam model?
No body us suggesting that anything will come for free. They are suggesting that a decently structured deal could be win win win for the Council, the directors and the club.
It cant be a lot worse than it is (unless we go bankrupt which is possible with such h huge losses). Plus a landlord who I believe would love the club to go under (from a 'business ' perspective he would maximise his income)
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With better management on and off the pitch, losing £1-£2m a year can be reduced dramatically, start doing all the stuff to get the crowds in, invest in youth to sell on etc etc etc, then we could avoid that type of loss, the dilemma arises if we get promoted how are we going to fund staying in the championship without losing money.
As for being a lot worse I struggle to see how you could justify that sentence, worse than what being in the conference for how many years, scraping by week by week using ST money to fund the club or fans buying players for us, I think people need to get a grip, I can see some people don’t like FK and want to move out of the stadium at every opportunity, everyone has an opinion, but to dress up we are in desperate times is misguided unless you have been privy to tigers bank balance.
 
Dave T said:
Isn’t this the same question with ever single owner at every club, ever? The fact they are building the infrastructure, the academy the training ground all things that are long term and will benefit us long after they are gone, and push us towards sustainability rather than running up further losses each season. The fact they are following a successful model that’s worked for us recently in buying in young talent and selling for large profit, although it seems we may now be able to stick a little longer before selling, making the profits even higher. I’m not quite sure what or who u want owning the club, or considering our position how they would do much better with what we have ? Who is this dream owner that’s gonna gift is a stadium, write off all our debts, and give us a big enough budget to take us up the leagues ?
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Missing the point, I was on about FK
 
Dave T said:
Isn’t this the same question with ever single owner at every club, ever? The fact they are building the infrastructure, the academy the training ground all things that are long term and will benefit us long after they are gone, and push us towards sustainability rather than running up further losses each season. The fact they are following a successful model that’s worked for us recently in buying in young talent and selling for large profit, although it seems we may now be able to stick a little longer before selling, making the profits even higher. I’m not quite sure what or who u want owning the club, or considering our position how they would do much better with what we have ? Who is this dream owner that’s gonna gift is a stadium, write off all our debts, and give us a big enough budget to take us up the leagues ?
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I agree,
 
LondonRoader said:
With better management on and off the pitch, losing £1-£2m a year can be reduced dramatically, start doing all the stuff to get the crowds in, invest in youth to sell on etc etc etc, then we could avoid that type of loss, the dilemma arises if we get promoted how are we going to fund staying in the championship without losing money.
As for being a lot worse I struggle to see how you could justify that sentence, worse than what being in the conference for how many years, scraping by week by week using ST money to fund the club or fans buying players for us, I think people need to get a grip, I can see some people don’t like FK and want to move out of the stadium at every opportunity, everyone has an opinion, but to dress up we are in desperate times is misguided unless you have been privy to tigers bank balance.
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We were in the Conference due to Kassam . Almost entirely.
He took us on a journey from the Championship to the verge of the Conference. Then showed no goodwill at all once he sold the club only.
Kassam was a disaster for our club. He has shown no goodwill at all. The custodian of the club is a bad joke.
 
Foley said:
We were in the Conference due to Kassam . Almost entirely.
He took us on a journey from the Championship to the verge of the Conference. Then showed no goodwill at all once he sold the club only.
Kassam was a disaster for our club. He has shown no goodwill at all. The custodian of the club is a bad joke.
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Crikey, and there was me thinking it was the poor decisions made by management and on the pitch that took us down, you will have to explain how FK was the catalyst for our relegation into the conference, because at the time I heard no such stuff.
I think you will find it was because NM and IL couldn't get enough money together to buy the club and ground, I remember FK at the time commenting it was a stupid move.
 
Foley said:
We were in the Conference due to Kassam . Almost entirely.
He took us on a journey from the Championship to the verge of the Conference. Then showed no goodwill at all once he sold the club only.
Kassam was a disaster for our club. He has shown no goodwill at all. The custodian of the club is a bad joke.
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Still waiting for a reply to explain, your things couldn't get worse comment!
 
LondonRoader said:
Crikey, and there was me thinking it was the poor decisions made by management and on the pitch that took us down, you will have to explain how FK was the catalyst for our relegation into the conference, because at the time I heard no such stuff.
I think you will find it was because NM and IL couldn't get enough money together to buy the club and ground, I remember FK at the time commenting it was a stupid move.
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You’ll get no sense out of most people about anything to do with FK. Most people think that attacking him and starting another war is somehow a bold and warrior-like move. Because the best thing you can do when someone has your balls in a vice is start spitting at them rather than trying to just get them to leave you alone. Really clever, trying to go to war with him. Not remotely moronic.

Most of our wider problems are down to our own fans. Hounded out Herd before he could get the deal on the commercial land around the ground, which Kassam then did and stole from us. Hounded out Kassam even when as you rightly say, he was refusing to sell the club without the stadium as it was a bad move. Now far too many people advocate trying to somehow ruffle his feathers with various threats and petty wind up tactics, which is has led to him denying us more and more access to the ground and even pursue us with a WUP. You might never get a good deal out of him, but you can either have him actively dislike you and try to hurt you, or he can basically leave you alone and ignore you. The latter is infinitely more beneficial, but hey, let’s prove how much we love OUFC by sprinting into a war we can’t currently win.
 
i don't see our custodian selling the whole complex when that's a nice earner for him, he would probably prefer we move so he get's the payoff with housing. That being said as i've said before it makes no sense to spend north of 50m on a new place that will have what's already in place.
A mall is all well and good but what's in it for the club, will the income streams come direct into the club? then with fans visiting 23 times per year + any odd cup match how many times are said fans going to keep needing or wanting to buy stuff, people only have so much money and it's hard enough getting folk to attend without expecting them to spend even more on each visit.

It baffles me that some appear content that we could find ourselves similar to what happened with Kassam but it's ok because they are men with serious money and at least it's not Kassam himself.There is nothing to suggest this is all for the benefit of Oxford United and more about using the Oxford "Brand" and fanbase as the means to an end.

We struggled and flirted with relegation the past 2 seasons and people need to open their eyes as we are a long way from being auto promotion candiadates and that's what we need to be and it's what will attract much needed support not some shiny mall where you can max your cards.
oh and before some say yes but we've got decent palyers in a b or c Yes we have but not if we can't hold on to them because they deserve a chance to play in the league we aspire to be in...Players wouldn't go if they could see we are capable of realising their ambition
 
horseman said:
Begs the question is football the means to the other facilities and income from them..is the thought process they want families at the game or in reality they'll be happy with a parent goes to the game whilst other parent and children spend in the mall and if the latter does this benefit the football club.
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The shops open before the game, they have a meal, get a discount voucher for the game when purchasing at the club shop. They visit the club's supporters bar have a meal catch a Uber back home everyone is happy. The world cup is held in England, with a world class facilities and football ground 'The Oxford Stadium' is chosen to host the opening ceremony and a semi final. I can see it all now ?⚽?
 
Itsthehopethatkillsyou said:
I think tiger and the boys will prefer to build their own stadium - by and large mega-rich Chairman love a legacy, so buying a second hand stadium which was once another rich person's ill chosen vanity project isn't really much of a monument for the fans to remember them by. I think a nice 20,000 + capacity stadium will get them the required amount of adulation they seek. Go on guys! You know you want to! I'll start making a 'Tohir, Oxford is yours forever!' banner now..... Hell, make it a 30,000 stadium and I'll replace 'Oxford' with 'my wife' ?
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I think with all these billionaires they will want their names on the stadium, so there will be naming rights for each stand. The athletics track around the pitch, and for each bar in and around the stadium. Therefore, with such egos they will be looking for a £ Billion + stadium with stands holding 30,000 each.
 
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