Sunderland Game

[Sarge]

I see it differently but I understand that not everyone shares that view. Segregation makes the experience better, in my opinion and I believe that the club has a duty to enforce it.

Any dilution of the partisan nature of being a football fan, through mixed areas, would make the spectacle of supporting football poorer.

terms and conditions on the reverse of hard copy matchday tickets refer to adhering to ground regulations as a condition of entry. as things stand, clause 18 in the ground regs apply . be interesting to see if that nice Mr Mixter and his team choose to apply clause 18 or to ignore clause 18 at this saturdays game

link for ground regs (oufc ground regs) ....https://www.oufc.co.uk/club/information/

 

[MarkG]

Given that many of these were sold out to away fans, it does rely on the home fans being up for it for a big crowd.
As Charlie or Stewart said, we don't need a fourth stand in League 1, but to maximise revenues in the Championship would need was it 20,000 capacity?

 

[Didcotox]

I see it differently but I understand that not everyone shares that view. Segregation makes the experience better, in my opinion and I believe that the club has a duty to enforce it.

Any dilution of the partisan nature of being a football fan, through mixed areas, would make the spectacle of supporting football poorer.

I totally understand the atmosphere argument, however I enjoy going to international rugby union matches and there has always been a terrific but friendly atmosphere without the need for segregation. Being partisan and passionate doesn’t mean you have to fight though.
Football fans are treated appallingly by the authorities, all tarred with the same brush, just saying we could maybe help ourselves a little.
So what if a few Sunderland fans are nearby, I won’t feel the need to start a fight regardless of whether we win or lose

 

[Deleted member 142]

I totally understand the atmosphere argument, however I enjoy going to international rugby union matches and there has always been a terrific but friendly atmosphere without the need for segregation. Being partisan and passionate doesn’t mean you have to fight though.
Football fans are treated appallingly by the authorities, all tarred with the same brush, just saying we could maybe help ourselves a little.
So what if a few Sunderland fans are nearby, I won’t feel the need to start a fight regardless of whether we win or lose

Nor will I and I'm unlikely to be intimidated by them, however, that doesn't go for everyone, and in a modern, diverse football crowd, supporters have the right to feel secure.

The rugby comparison is often made, but I don't think it's hugely relevant, the cultures, which are long established, in supporting either sport are light years away from each other.

 

[guyellow]

I’ll never understand why football fans cannot cope with rival supporters near them. As long as they celebrate with a little decorum it’ll be fine. If they did, maybe we could enjoy a beer whilst watching the sport we love.

In the old days I used to really enjoy mixing with the away fans in Beech Road. Nearly always good banter and mutual respect.

 

[werthersoriginal]

I do think having a season ticket makes a big difference - sitting in the same place with the same people and getting to know the team through highs and lows. At times like this going to the occasional match won’t be rewarding as there’s a good chance of a fiasco

 

[Sarge]

I totally understand the atmosphere argument, however I enjoy going to international rugby union matches and there has always been a terrific but friendly atmosphere without the need for segregation. Being partisan and passionate doesn’t mean you have to fight though.
Football fans are treated appallingly by the authorities, all tarred with the same brush, just saying we could maybe help ourselves a little.
So what if a few Sunderland fans are nearby, I won’t feel the need to start a fight regardless of whether we win or lose

I dont think the need to start a fight if away fans are close by (in home areas) - breaching terms of entry, specifically clause 18 of ground regs, is what's at issue @Didcotox ?( Im sometimes in home areas at some OUFC away games myself ) ...its if said clusters of away fans in home areas choose not to respect the fact they are in a home area( and in breach of clause 18 ,ground regs) and start winding up home fans in the vicinity by their behaviour, invariably thats when the situation can deteriorate and very quickly .

Egg chasing of either discipline doesnt n never has appealed. As an outsider, Union seems to be the chosen sport for middle/upper class public school types,( whereas Leauge has more of a working-class following?).... football is traditionally working class spectator sport - though the gentrification is something I cant fathom. Football supporters and rugger types are culturally very different (granted there are a few sports fans, like your good self, who embrace most sport equally), hence the authorities have insited on ground regulations being used as a condition of entry.

Personally I think there should be dedicated home and away only stands , as well as stands where supporters of either team can mix - eg members of the same family with split allegiances should be able to watch a live match together, an extention to the principle of family areas / stands at football grounds today.. Currently that option is not officially available to football supporters..... more because football supporters en masse are perceived to be a bunch of not to be trusted thugs, wheras supporters of any other sport are not restricted in the way football supporters are. I believe FSF are campaigning against some of the restrictions imposed on football supporters, but not supporters of other spectactaor sports

I hope its a trouble free encounter this Saturday,( with an OUFC win!!), but, it all depends how any of the away fans in home enclosures behave towards and level of or lack of respect towards home fans in their close vicinity transpires I suppose. oh well, we'll find out this time in 2 days time

 

[windmill]

In the old days I used to really enjoy mixing with the away fans in Beech Road. Nearly always good banter and mutual respect.

No special banter with Villa fans in the London Road in the seventies. Not a pretty sight. I think things have mellowed since then!!

 

[Sinner]

You’d want to ingratiate yourself because you are a sensitive type who enjoys attention and wants to be liked

You know me so well - not far off

 

[Sinner]

And every season. And in life in general, except your daughter who seems to have broken the mould. Let me hazard an educated guess - you don't live in the working class city of Sunderland itself and your daughter didn't go to a dead end city comprehensive?

I don't know you Sinner and rather hoped I'd grown out of the habit of picking fights with strangers on anonymous internet forums, but however much you protest your innocence, the general tenet of many of your posts is that SAFC are indeed Billy Big Bollox.

Heard it all before. Whenever Pompey come to town, for instance. It's dull. We know where OUFC are in the football hierarchy. It interests us not one jot how much of an over-inflated football ego other clubs have.

To read some of Charlie's comments - and I vaguely know him, have even stood with him and others on a couple of away terraces - about how special both SAFC and OUFC now are to him will not gain your club many fans around here. Not that you give a toss about that. Why should you?

Harsh - and you wonder how us Northerners get the impression Southerners are arrogant. Did make me laugh mind.

From Jarrow (look it up). Daughter went to Jarrow School (look it up - nice school but is an understatement to say they are not academic high achievers). Your educated guess is, how shall I put it, not very educated.

Some of you are very touchy. One dodgy move in a post and pilloried. BTW, we only asked for more tickets because we would sell them, no other reason. We would have sold 5k if available, and that is not being big bollox, just true. We haven't got much but we have canny fans.

 

[Sinner]

If you, your fan base or your chairman didn't have a 'big club' mentality then why did you all moan when you weren't given extra tickets?

Just accept your serious fall from grace, accept you are playing in league 1 and quite honestly 1800 is a lot more tickets than a lot of teams in this league will give you.

Your fans on your own forum bigging up how they have bought tickets in the home end, I don't get involved in any form of violence myself but I will say from experience of seeing fans who have tried this before, it does not end well.

For what it's worth this was the game I was looking forward to all season because it would be a great atmosphere against a real football club with loyal and passionate fans. This has all been a bit tainted now by certain Sunderland fans who think they are privalaged and should be given what they want in this league.

Good luck for the rest of the season. Just not Saturday.

Cheers mate. BTW we didn't moan, just asked for more tickets and people are still trying to pick up spares and wondering whether to travel without one. Don't think there will be many in your end.

 

[Sarge]

Harsh - and you wonder how us Northerners get the impression Southerners are arrogant. Did make me laugh mind.

From Jarrow (look it up). Daughter went to Jarrow School (look it up - nice school but is an understatement to say they are not academic high achievers). Your educated guess is, how shall I put it, not very educated.

Some of you are very touchy. One dodgy move in a post and pilloried. BTW, we only asked for more tickets because we would sell them, no other reason. We would have sold 5k if available, and that is not being big bollox, just true. We haven't got much but we have canny fans.

as well as disabled parking spaces being 'moved' - for the first time for any game at the breeze block!!!!- to accommodate parking for coaches carrying mackems.... is there another march from jarrow happening too?

 

[Deleted member 142]

I had a good and reassuring reply from Matt Everett regarding OUFC’s approach to security and ticket sales. From Matt’s response, I’m fairly certain that any SAFC fans that are in the home areas are there because locals got them tickets and that any that make themselves known will be ejected.

 

[Sinner]

as well as disabled parking spaces being 'moved' - for the first time for any game at the breeze block!!!!- to accommodate parking for coaches carrying mackems.... is there another march from jarrow happening too?

If there is I hope they get further than my Grandad, who didn't get past Durham!

 

[Sarge]

If there is I hope they get further than my Grandad, who didn't get past Durham!

was ya grandad hijacked by the pink panther in Duraham (Durham Durham , Durham .... etc)?

 

[Sinner]

Old but gold! There's actually a book out about my Grandad, and a blue plaque where he was born! If you are interested in history PM me for details.

 

[Scotchegg]

I had a good and reassuring reply from Matt Everett regarding OUFC’s approach to security and ticket sales. From Matt’s response, I’m fairly certain that any SAFC fans that are in the home areas are there because locals got them tickets and that any that make themselves known will be ejected.

He didn't mention anything about @Junior_1 mutual seating then? I thought that was a given?

 

[saddletramp]

In the old days I used to really enjoy mixing with the away fans in Beech Road. Nearly always good banter and mutual respect.

I take it you are talking about the Beech rd seats.

Dont ever recall seeing away fans on the Beech rd terrace.

So if you are,those were the days when nobody under the age of 50,or without kids would sit down.
Everyone who was up for the "craic" would be on the Cuckoo lane.

The away fans you are likely to meet in the North stand(if any),are unlikely to be families or OAPs,more like the people you would meet outside the London rd.

 

[Sinner]

In the old days I used to really enjoy mixing with the away fans in Beech Road. Nearly always good banter and mutual respect.

Many, many years ago you lot were throwing concrete blocks at us, and some of our lot were swanning around in Clockwork Orange outfits. Heady days.

 

[Pete Burrett]

Harsh - and you wonder how us Northerners get the impression Southerners are arrogant. Did make me laugh mind.

From Jarrow (look it up). Daughter went to Jarrow School (look it up - nice school but is an understatement to say they are not academic high achievers). Your educated guess is, how shall I put it, not very educated.

Some of you are very touchy. One dodgy move in a post and pilloried. BTW, we only asked for more tickets because we would sell them, no other reason. We would have sold 5k if available, and that is not being big bollox, just true. We haven't got much but we have canny fans.

And you northerners (see I can generalise too) are good at making uneducated assumptions. Maternal background: Hartlepool. Family in merchant navy and engineering. Paternal background: Derbyshire coalfield. Accident of birth: Surrey. Now live in Lincolnshire. I am familiar with Jarrow and it's history. Bye bye.