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On the whole I agree with Ryaniobirdio

Even if you don’t agree with him, can you not just judge KR on his performance with us and his own comments re budget? Over half the season has gone and we’re in the relegation places and he has indicated several times he had a decent budget - no way is it a bottom 8 budget.

He is not doing a good enough job, it really is as simple as that.
 
I’m still in two minds about KR. I don’t see the buffoon that @RyanBirdio makes him out to be but neither do I see him as a solution to our predicament. It’s his own failings, along with our dubious owner, that sees us in deep in the brown stuff..

At times, I’ve found KR refreshing. His commitment to promoting youth players is good, his football is easy on the eye when it does work and I’ve been impressed with the way he has ingratiated himself in the ethos of the club – he’s bothered to look up the history of OUFC and took the team to Bicester barracks for team building during Armistice week. I personally think that was rather novel. I compare him with other managers that we have had in the past and on a personal level I don’t find him dislikeable in comparison to what we’ve had (Rix/Clotet – arrogant, Patterson – nice but a walkover, Wilder – effective but a weirdo curmudgeon).

That said, my sympathy runs short when you acknowledge that our problems are his own making. He moans about injuries – he signed the likes of Holmes and Carruthers who were always injury prone. He moans about agents holding out for better offers – every club is in the same boat, Oxford is no different, you make a list of targets and if one falls through you go to the next one. He moans about Smith and McMahon – you signed them! He moans about other sides being physical and referees not protecting us – it’s your team, you react to it. He also speaks way too freely, gives too much away to the opposition in interviews and seems rigidly stubborn tactically. It’s hard to make a case for him at present and I’m still a mindset that KR was once a good manager who has lost his lustre (I’ve cited Dave Penney in the past as a fellow lower league manager whose career started brightly but has hit the buffers after diminishing returns at each club he was at).

My main worry with whoever we eventually replace KR with comes in the form of the man employing them – Tiger. Previously we at least had DE here to act as a sensible voice of reason to talk down Tiger from his silly suggestions. Now we’ll have Tiger doing the appointing with possible insight from his wealthy mates who no nothing about League 1 football (or League 2 football, as that’ll be relevant soon too). If KR goes, I fully expect a funny-at-first-but-soon-not appointment like Edgar Davids or whoever manages Thailand (Milovan Rajevac in case you want to know) to come through the door.

It’s bewildering that it’s taken so little time to go from being stable and fun to watch under Appleton to the shambles from top to bottom that’s before us now.
 
His overall league record is
Played 36
Won 9
Drawn 10
Lost 17
Sorry, that's nowhere near good enough for me.


Ultimately, this is all that matters.

You're free to interpret it as you will, of course.
 
I like Robinson far better than most of the managers weve had over the last 20 years,of course Appleton is by far the best weve had.

Statistically, Gobbo is worse than most OUFC managers. Currently he has a win rate of 35% (a slightly simplistic view, I acknowledge that, but useful for comparison purposes).

Looking at all gentlemen who have managed the club during this millennium excluding Caretakers, that stat is better than Brian Talbot (23%), David Kemp (23%), Rix (21%), Mark Wright (18%) & Gary Waddock (13%). It is only marginally better than Pep (33%) despite enjoying a larger budget.

Inferior to Ian Atkins (38%), Ramon Diaz (40%), Patto(!) (41%), Jim Smith (42%), Lord Wilder (45%) & Mapp (45%).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oxford_United_F.C._managers

GOBBO OUT!
 
Statistically, Gobbo is worse than most OUFC managers. Currently he has a win rate of 35% (a slightly simplistic view, I acknowledge that, but useful for comparison purposes).

Looking at all gentlemen who have managed the club during this millennium excluding Caretakers, that stat is better than Brian Talbot (23%), David Kemp (23%), Rix (21%), Mark Wright (18%) & Gary Waddock (13%). It is only marginally better than Pep (33%) despite enjoying a larger budget.

Inferior to Ian Atkins (38%), Ramon Diaz (40%), Patto(!) (41%), Jim Smith (42%), Lord Wilder (45%) & Mapp (45%).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oxford_United_F.C._managers

GOBBO OUT!

You do realise calling "gobbo" isn't clever and makes you look like a childish idiot?

Otherwise, yes you are correct. His win rate is worse than some managers but better than others. There you go.
 
Statistically, Gobbo is worse than most OUFC managers. Currently he has a win rate of 35% (a slightly simplistic view, I acknowledge that, but useful for comparison purposes).

Looking at all gentlemen who have managed the club during this millennium excluding Caretakers, that stat is better than Brian Talbot (23%), David Kemp (23%), Rix (21%), Mark Wright (18%) & Gary Waddock (13%). It is only marginally better than Pep (33%) despite enjoying a larger budget.

GOBBO OUT!

Jez thats some bad managers there but 4 had kassam as chairmen and the other 2 had chairmen looking to sell all reflecting what was going on behind the scenes at the time.
And just on the last point about peps top10ish budget that resulted in a bottom half finish Robbo has said a few times they had to reduce that for this season.
 
KR is going nowhere. Tiger would have to pay him off and that would mean spending money.
Quite sure now that Tiger is here for what he can get - either his own complex like at Reading, land or something else. He’s just another Ka$$am. We’re going on a journey! Again!
Hope I’m wrong but let’s see come the end of Jan.
 
as is the norm with many football fans he was considered fine and had done a good job turning things around after an awful start but after a poor holiday period he is suddenly being called offensive names again.

Were people seriously of belief that our unbeaten run could be sustained? as i kept pointing out last year

Then we have had people on for weeks about the over hyped jan window and how we are meant to judge our owner by what does or otherwise happen this month when it's Generally not a period for the better players being available. So perhaps rather than falling for Jim White and the sky cronies hype a little bit of realism is required.
 
I don't see KR leaving any time soon. Tiger has so far demonstrated that at best you describe his management style as ineffective and more honestly I am not sure he gives a toss for the club (FFS he still thinks we can reach the playoffs). Add to that the fact that KR is always talking up his part in running the club with Tiger (I just hope this is BS) and nothing looks like he will go anytime soon.

But what if he did? I personally do not have any faith in tiger acting quickly enough to appoint a replacement. Plus I do not trust him to go after the right sort of manager to save us. Add to that I think the right time to change the manager has already gone. The club needed to act before the window to give the new manager time to recruit. Now if a new manager did come in in all likelihood it will be to manager the existing players.

What of the players? We do have the basis for a decent first 11. Beyond that the cupboard is empty. Even then we have question marks over the ability to keep that first 11 fresh and fit enough to see us through (and that's before the potential fatal loss of any of them in the transfer window). As for new players this window we need battlers with a strong temperament. I am not sure that our targets so far meet that.

It strikes me that the club is in some form of denial regarding our predicament. We are still looking at plays offs, pretty football, and wow signings (or yet more youth to develop) instead of the hard relegation battle we now need to fight. We have a manager who may have lost the plot and an owner who appears out of his depth.

I just hope that we survive Jan with performances returning to those of a couple of weeks ago, our first 11 mostly intact and a few good new signings. Do that and we could be safe come the end of the season. I really do not want to look any further than that right now.

I agree with most of that apart from the players. We have two midfielders playing fullback, two centre backs who want away, Whyte and Browne on the flanks who have gone off the boil or are injured, a weak and ineffective midfield and nothing up front.
If Pep did badly because he had no money to spend and arrived very late what’s KR’s excuse ?

Come on anyone can see he’s failed badly!
His signings have been atrocious! I cannot believe anyone can back him now. Yeah we had a blip and were unbeaten for a time but it still doesn’t change what our team looks like.

As for this fatigue bull crap go check how many changes the top teams are making every week!

He signed a load of crap, injured or lazy players so we are in the correct league position.
 
The only thing that might mean Tiger does something is that was in attendance for both of the home games over Christmas and hopefully will be embarrassed into doing something.

Pretty sure that it will be an internal process if he does and I'd love to see Chrissy Allen be given the chance. Not sure hoe big a step up it is from under 23s to the full squad but he can't do any worse than KR is doing.

I wonder how closely he works with the mains squad, if at all. Would it be an easy transition?
The difference between Chrissy and KR, Chrissy knows Oxford And has probably more football experience than KR, Winkleman gave funds to KR hence why the fakes did pretty well. But Chrissy has seen it all at the mighty U’s, so why not Chrissy Allen
 
I agree with most of that apart from the players. We have two midfielders playing fullback, two centre backs who want away, Whyte and Browne on the flanks who have gone off the boil or are injured, a weak and ineffective midfield and nothing up front.
If Pep did badly because he had no money to spend and arrived very late what’s KR’s excuse ?

Come on anyone can see he’s failed badly!
His signings have been atrocious! I cannot believe anyone can back him now. Yeah we had a blip and were unbeaten for a time but it still doesn’t change what our team looks like.

As for this fatigue bull crap go check how many changes the top teams are making every week!

He signed a load of crap, injured or lazy players so we are in the correct league position.
As regard your comment about fatigue, ffs they’re professionals and other clubs seem to cope
 
I’m still in two minds about KR. I don’t see the buffoon that @RyanBirdio makes him out to be but neither do I see him as a solution to our predicament. It’s his own failings, along with our dubious owner, that sees us in deep in the brown stuff..

At times, I’ve found KR refreshing. His commitment to promoting youth players is good, his football is easy on the eye when it does work and I’ve been impressed with the way he has ingratiated himself in the ethos of the club – he’s bothered to look up the history of OUFC and took the team to Bicester barracks for team building during Armistice week. I personally think that was rather novel. I compare him with other managers that we have had in the past and on a personal level I don’t find him dislikeable in comparison to what we’ve had (Rix/Clotet – arrogant, Patterson – nice but a walkover, Wilder – effective but a weirdo curmudgeon).

That said, my sympathy runs short when you acknowledge that our problems are his own making. He moans about injuries – he signed the likes of Holmes and Carruthers who were always injury prone. He moans about agents holding out for better offers – every club is in the same boat, Oxford is no different, you make a list of targets and if one falls through you go to the next one. He moans about Smith and McMahon – you signed them! He moans about other sides being physical and referees not protecting us – it’s your team, you react to it. He also speaks way too freely, gives too much away to the opposition in interviews and seems rigidly stubborn tactically. It’s hard to make a case for him at present and I’m still a mindset that KR was once a good manager who has lost his lustre (I’ve cited Dave Penney in the past as a fellow lower league manager whose career started brightly but has hit the buffers after diminishing returns at each club he was at).

My main worry with whoever we eventually replace KR with comes in the form of the man employing them – Tiger. Previously we at least had DE here to act as a sensible voice of reason to talk down Tiger from his silly suggestions. Now we’ll have Tiger doing the appointing with possible insight from his wealthy mates who no nothing about League 1 football (or League 2 football, as that’ll be relevant soon too). If KR goes, I fully expect a funny-at-first-but-soon-not appointment like Edgar Davids or whoever manages Thailand (Milovan Rajevac in case you want to know) to come through the door.

It’s bewildering that it’s taken so little time to go from being stable and fun to watch under Appleton to the shambles from top to bottom that’s before us now.

to be fair i cant find any evidence of previous injury issues with carruthers before joining us. he has a good appearance record for previous clubs.

But the point still stands as when you already have Hall and Obika, to then sign Holmes and Mackie does increase your risks if non injury prone players then get long term injuries (Carruthers, Eastwood, Baptiste)
 
i will say it again but when Mapp mentioned new methods etc and how was worth the risk all was fine it seems but then hindsight is such a wonderful thing !
 
KR is going nowhere. Tiger would have to pay him off and that would mean spending money.
Quite sure now that Tiger is here for what he can get - either his own complex like at Reading, land or something else. He’s just another Ka$$am. We’re going on a journey! Again!
Hope I’m wrong but let’s see come the end of Jan.

How much do you think the U23 set up has cost tiger? 10 extra players, coaches and an excellent appointment in Dan harris + the running costs. i would suggest this is at least an extra £500k per year added to the club running costs post Eales. tiger is spending money (certainly more than Eales in his last 18 months). including transfer fees for players. It is just that the players it has been spent on has been foolish and we now must get it right.
 
You mean like the ability to spot Dele Alli's potential and nurture it from very early on. The ability to spot George Baldock's potential early on which without KR doing he may never have played for us. He signed Gavin Whyte and gave Shandon Baptiste a chance. They aren't the only ones.

All managers make mistakes on players for many reasons even MApp and Ferguson.

Also, how did Dele Alli manage to play all 11 positions, game in game out to win the Championship? On that theory Roofe won promotion for us, nothing to do with the other players or MApp at all.
George Baldock was at MK before Robbo so not sure how he spotted him. The fact he was on loan at us, then recalled at the earliest opportunity tells me he hadnt spotted him at all, Appleton spotted him and showed Robbo he was better than the other right backs he had.
Roofe was a key part in us getting promoted but so were others, at the end of the season he was sold on (as were others) and we were comfortably mid table the following season. Alli went back, MK went down and if Robbo wasnt sacked would more than likely gone down again. He has one relegation on his CV, unfortunately if he stays here until the end of the season I think he will have two. I would be very happy to be proved wrong.
 
George Baldock was at MK before Robbo so not sure how he spotted him. The fact he was on loan at us, then recalled at the earliest opportunity tells me he hadnt spotted him at all, Appleton spotted him and showed Robbo he was better than the other right backs he had.
Roofe was a key part in us getting promoted but so were others, at the end of the season he was sold on (as were others) and we were comfortably mid table the following season. Alli went back, MK went down and if Robbo wasnt sacked would more than likely gone down again. He has one relegation on his CV, unfortunately if he stays here until the end of the season I think he will have two. I would be very happy to be proved wrong.

Actually Robinson was always aware of George’s talent at MK Dons, it was him that pushed George to full back rather than midfield which is where he started. He was proved right in loaning George to us as he needed game time, at that point he wasn’t ready for championship football. He also had a decent right back playing at that time. To me that shows good player management rather than the opposite.
 
Actually Robinson was always aware of George’s talent at MK Dons, it was him that pushed George to full back rather than midfield which is where he started. He was proved right in loaning George to us as he needed game time, at that point he wasn’t ready for championship football. He also had a decent right back playing at that time. To me that shows good player management rather than the opposite.
So he recalled him, stuck him in the championship despite him not being ready and having a decent right back rather than let him stay with us and get the game time he needed?
 
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