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Thankfully it’s still possible to order my seeds from Netherlands, they’ll even grow indoors this winter!! Happy daze.
 
SteMerritt said:
In 4 weeks? As I said, using that as an excuse to keep open garden centres is laughable.

And should you need some seed, then there is this thing called 'The Internet'. On this invention, you can order things to be delivered directly to your door...

Vegetable Plants | Dobies

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...so no need to risk moving a virus about at all.

Come on lad, this is basic stuff. Although I admire your conviction on the point.
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We had deliveries during the 1st lockdown once they were allowed to some peas, potatoes, cabbages, spring onions, carrots, tomatoes and strawberry’s went down very nicely, seed and bulbs delivered to the front door, this was before we were allowed to go and collect.
 
Pillox said:
Garden centres are a few old farts wasting half a day trying to recognise a strawberry plant in the open air

Its a lot safer than tesco on a Saturday afternoon.

If the argument was that its not about risk its about mitigation then I'd 100% agree but there'd be a LOT of other stuff i'd can before garden centres, including schools
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Oi less of the old farts please
 
Essexyellows said:
You can grow food this time of year.

My Pak Choi is coming on well in the greenhouse. Even some things starting off for next season. ;)

Day 128 of "lockdown" we are the experts up here.....
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My Chives are flowering again and Strawberries are still growing outside!
 
Watching the debate on the legislation it makes me think that (cross party) many of our elected representatives have not got a fecking clue about "real life".

Discussing the "human right" to go to a Church and pray. Surely, if you believe in such, you can just pray anywhere?

Jonathan Ashworth also has a unique ability to make Matt Hancock look intelligent and articulate............. now suggesting "people will die"....... feckin wake up !!! People die every day!

Arrggghhhhhhhhhhhh.
 
Pillox said:
Grow your own folk don't suddenly spring into life in November chap they need supplies all year round. There is no way this lockdown is over in 4 weeks anymore than the last one was.

Food is available online too they aren't closing food shops.

I'm surprised that you would prefer everyone to converge on the same shops at the same time which will end up being the secondary main source of transmission after schools, as opposed to a proportion growing their own and reducing their trips and time at the viral epicentres.
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The main supermarkets have to stay open to supply the nation with food and essentials - online food delivery services have nowhere near the capacity to deliver to the entire nation.
The Welsh tried preventing them from selling non-essential items, in order to protect specialist retailers in these sectors, but this led to chaos, so I can imagine this is not such a high priority.

I also note that you are against schools being open - but education is something that affects every single member of the population between the ages of 5-16/18 and cannot just be put on hold and cannot just be farmed off online - particularly for those age groups approaching big exams (A-levels, GCSEs, 11+ etc) which will go a long way to dictate the path they take for the rest of their lives.
(Incidentally, I am less convinced that allowing Unis to go back was a good idea, particularly for non-practical subjects, given the inevitable convergence of people from around the country into relatively confined accommodation - and I think by that age, they should be focused and mature enough to be able to handle online lectures/tutorials etc from home {and perhaps more able to resist mass partying if separated at home rather than locked up in large groups on campus}

In any case, schools have to come before pubs, gyms, garden centres, nail bars, etc - as while there are positive aspects to each for individuals, these are not essentials and closing them would not hinder an entire generation.
And once you have essential retailers and schools open, there really isnt room for much/anything else to be allowed to stay open
 
Essexyellows said:
Watching the debate on the legislation it makes me think that (cross party) many of our elected representatives have not got a fecking clue about "real life".

Discussing the "human right" to go to a Church and pray. Surely, if you believe in such, you can just pray anywhere?

Jonathan Ashworth also has a unique ability to make Matt Hancock look intelligent and articulate............. now suggesting "people will die"....... feckin wake up !!! People die every day!

Arrggghhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Ashworth appears to be quite a loathsome character, all indignance, huffing, whining, over-exaggeration, and yes, the ability to make almost anyone look more intelligent, articulate and credible.
(Then again, Hancock always makes me think of Lt Gruber from 'Allo Allo' - so that doesnt help my perception of his abilities.....)
 
mooro said:
Ashworth appears to be quite a loathsome character, all indignance, huffing, whining, over-exaggeration, and yes, the ability to make almost anyone look more intelligent, articulate and credible.
(Then again, Hancock always makes me think of Lt Gruber from 'Allo Allo' - so that doesnt help my perception of his abilities.....)
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No....can`t see it..... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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mooro said:
The main supermarkets have to stay open to supply the nation with food and essentials - online food delivery services have nowhere near the capacity to deliver to the entire nation.
The Welsh tried preventing them from selling non-essential items, in order to protect specialist retailers in these sectors, but this led to chaos, so I can imagine this is not such a high priority.

I also note that you are against schools being open - but education is something that affects every single member of the population between the ages of 5-16/18 and cannot just be put on hold and cannot just be farmed off online - particularly for those age groups approaching big exams (A-levels, GCSEs, 11+ etc) which will go a long way to dictate the path they take for the rest of their lives.
(Incidentally, I am less convinced that allowing Unis to go back was a good idea, particularly for non-practical subjects, given the inevitable convergence of people from around the country into relatively confined accommodation - and I think by that age, they should be focused and mature enough to be able to handle online lectures/tutorials etc from home {and perhaps more able to resist mass partying if separated at home rather than locked up in large groups on campus}

In any case, schools have to come before pubs, gyms, garden centres, nail bars, etc - as while there are positive aspects to each for individuals, these are not essentials and closing them would not hinder an entire generation.
And once you have essential retailers and schools open, there really isnt room for much/anything else to be allowed to stay open
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On your point about Schools, I agree which is why I think the mistake was made when the Govt didn't do a circuit breaker over half term. If they had closed for an additional week on top of half term then that would have done it at the least effect on education. This week could have been made up in one of the other holiday periods (Easter or the end of summer) with the Govt moving GCSE/A level exams a further week on to account for this.

For me University, apart from those that actually need face to face (Science, Medical etc) teaching*, should be moved to online teaching as an interim measure which can be reviewed when things improve. This can still be done for the period after Christmas.
 
mooro said:
The main supermarkets have to stay open to supply the nation with food and essentials - online food delivery services have nowhere near the capacity to deliver to the entire nation.
The Welsh tried preventing them from selling non-essential items, in order to protect specialist retailers in these sectors, but this led to chaos, so I can imagine this is not such a high priority.

I also note that you are against schools being open - but education is something that affects every single member of the population between the ages of 5-16/18 and cannot just be put on hold and cannot just be farmed off online - particularly for those age groups approaching big exams (A-levels, GCSEs, 11+ etc) which will go a long way to dictate the path they take for the rest of their lives.
(Incidentally, I am less convinced that allowing Unis to go back was a good idea, particularly for non-practical subjects, given the inevitable convergence of people from around the country into relatively confined accommodation - and I think by that age, they should be focused and mature enough to be able to handle online lectures/tutorials etc from home {and perhaps more able to resist mass partying if separated at home rather than locked up in large groups on campus}

In any case, schools have to come before pubs, gyms, garden centres, nail bars, etc - as while there are positive aspects to each for individuals, these are not essentials and closing them would not hinder an entire generation.
And once you have essential retailers and schools open, there really isnt room for much/anything else to be allowed to stay open
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All valid points but you've totally missed the point I was making, I'm guessing you just opened the last page and didn't read back through the conversation history. I wouldn't suggest you do, its DULL.

I disagree that education can't be done online in the short term, paryicularly in the year groups that aren't examining this year which is the vast majority. Education is only being forced to continue so parents can work and prop up the economy. But again that's a completely separate point to the one I was making.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Regulator criticises data used to justify lockdown - BBC News

Government used out-of-date model predicting 4,000 deaths a day in TV briefing.
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'The projection was made weeks ago and had forecast there would be 1,000 deaths a day by the end of October when the average was actually four times less than that - a fact that was known at the time of Saturday's TV briefing'.

What is more, the model had already been updated to predict a lower estimate, but this was not used in the briefing fronted by chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance and chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty, alongside Prime Minister Boris Johnson'.

Why did they feel the need to lie?
 
Pillox said:
All valid points but you've totally missed the point I was making, I'm guessing you just opened the last page and didn't read back through the conversation history. I wouldn't suggest you do, its DULL.

I disagree that education can't be done online in the short term, paryicularly in the year groups that aren't examining this year which is the vast majority. Education is only being forced to continue so parents can work and prop up the economy. But again that's a completely separate point to the one I was making.
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Education in many subjects can be undertaken very successfully online. My daughter had to leave school due to illness, we found an excellent online school and she achieved her maths gcse and 2 a levels through online teaching.
It would obviously be tricky for some practical subjects requiring hands-on work, but if humanities was taught online this academic year (especially at University level) it would significantly reduce the numbers of students gathering together and thus decrease risk.
 
On local news yesterday evening there were reports of lockdown, day 1 from various places....pretty much all were very quiet , exception being Oxford city centre, which appeared to be rather busy :oops: :rolleyes:
 
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