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[ZeroTheHero]

Well that's an easy fix. You get rid of the clipboard wielding bureaucrats of Europe who were enforcing standards by leaving Europe and lowering your standards so far that they don't need enforcing anymore.
Welcome to the dive to the bottom...

 

[YellowTaxi]

50 000 custom inspectors are going to need a lot of clipboards, come to that.

 

[Navegante]

You really don't know what you're talking about. You're living in a weird 1960's ladybird book. The point about the EU was that "clipboard wielding bureaucrats weren't really needed in all sorts of areas" standards were maintained and managed across Europe

The European Civil Service employees ~33k clipboard wielders to service the whole bloc. Costs previously shared amongst 28 countries.

Blighty is recruiting 50k clipboard wielders, all on UK Plc's payroll.

Less bureaucracy! Less costs! ???

 

[Essexyellows]

The European Civil Service employees ~33k clipboard wielders to service the whole bloc. Costs previously shared amongst 28 countries.

Blighty is recruiting 50k clipboard wielders, all on UK Plc's payroll.

Less bureaucracy! Less costs! ???

How many people work for the EU?

And where do they come from?

theconversation.com

"There are some caveats to these numbers: identifying the numbers working directly for the EU institutions is only part of the story. Consider each of the 28 national permanent representations, for example. These play an important role in the day-to-day business of EU politics, representing member state governments in EU negotiations. While they are based in Brussels, their staff are usually drawn from government departments and civil services at the national levels. They are employed by national administrations and not the EU.

We might also consider the role of organised interests who lobby the development of EU policy and are sometimes actively consulted and brought into the policy process. The EU also currently lists 9,228 individuals and organisations representing private businesses, non-governmental organisations and local and regional governments. Again these people are not directly employed by the EU, but play an important part in its daily operation."

 

[Essexyellows]

You really don't know what you're talking about. You're living in a weird 1960's ladybird book. The point about the EU was that "clipboard wielding bureaucrats weren't really needed in all sorts of areas" standards were maintained and managed across Europe

Neither you nor I know the impact or the outcomes of the deal, or no deal.

Who do you think maintains, inspects and enforces said regulations?

Goods, services etc have to meet EU standards, again inspected, tested and monitored by whom? Yep, clipboard wielding bureaucrats.

Its what regulated trade is - regulated.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Trade is currently frictionless...That stops with no trade agreement - it will no longer be frictionless, there will be more tariffs, more paperwork and more inspections. Therefore the bureaucracy will increase.

Not that hard to understand....is it?

The feverish construction of the Sir Nigel Farage lorry parks all over Kent should be a bit of a giveaway...

 

[Leysboy]

I wonder what that bloke is doing now for work, after Shouting for two years through a megaphone “Stop Brexit”. Hopefully taken over Freddy Boswell as an environment hygienist (Road Sweeper).

 

[bashamwonderland]

I wonder what that bloke is doing now for work, after Shouting for two years through a megaphone “Stop Brexit”. Hopefully taken over Freddy Boswell as an environment hygienist (Road Sweeper).

Well he lost his campaign to become an MP. Add to that some 900 days of completely wasted time, and you've got yourself one hell of a CV. Might not be qualified to sweep the roads. He's probably back in Wales making himself useful.

 

[Essexyellows]

Well he lost his campaign to become an MP. Add to that some 900 days of completely wasted time, and you've got yourself one hell of a CV. Might not be qualified to sweep the roads. He's probably back in Wales making himself useful.

Or not..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bray#2020

 

[Leysboy]

Or not..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bray#2020

So basically he’s a waster! And his demonstration was... Well a waster time!

 

[chuckbert]

Or not..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bray#2020

So basically he’s a waster! And his demonstration was... Well a waster time!

To be fair, regardless of your politics, the soviet national anthem is by far the best one ever written, so top marks (Marx?) to him for blasting that one out.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Back to the potential impact of Brexit on the Fishing industry:
BBC News - Can Brexit bring back the glory days of British fishing?

Grimsby fishermen remember the glory days - how do they see the future?

It's not long since Grimsby was the biggest fishing port in the world. How do its fishermen see the post-Brexit future?

www.bbc.co.uk

Who knew that the whole industry is worth less to the UK economy than Harrods[emoji848][emoji15]

I can't see the UK govt dying in a ditch over a London shop though[emoji23]

 

[Essexyellows]

Back to the potential impact of Brexit on the Fishing industry:
BBC News - Can Brexit bring back the glory days of British fishing?

Grimsby fishermen remember the glory days - how do they see the future?

It's not long since Grimsby was the biggest fishing port in the world. How do its fishermen see the post-Brexit future?

www.bbc.co.uk

Who knew that the whole industry is worth less to the UK economy than Harrods[emoji848][emoji15]

I can't see the UK govt dying in a ditch over a London shop though[emoji23]

Did you miss this bit?
"For many species, it gave European boats - by law - a greater entitlement to fish in British waters than the British themselves. Prime Minister Edward Heath, who negotiated the UK's entry into the European Economic Community, is widely blamed for this - and for the fact that half a century later, EU fleets land about eight times as much fish (by value) from UK waters as British fishermen catch in EU waters.
Within a few years of the introduction of quotas, fishermen like Kurt had reached their annual limit by September and had nothing left to fish for."

Yep, looks fair & balanced as all EU "rules" are ?

 

[SteMerritt]

Did you miss this bit?
"For many species, it gave European boats - by law - a greater entitlement to fish in British waters than the British themselves. Prime Minister Edward Heath, who negotiated the UK's entry into the European Economic Community, is widely blamed for this - and for the fact that half a century later, EU fleets land about eight times as much fish (by value) from UK waters as British fishermen catch in EU waters.
Within a few years of the introduction of quotas, fishermen like Kurt had reached their annual limit by September and had nothing left to fish for."

Yep, looks fair & balanced as all EU "rules" are ?

I think you missed the point being made?

 

[Sheik djibouti]

I think you missed the point being made?

Indeed


But wait . .. only 8 times as much....but there are 27 other EU countries, surely if it were equal, we'd be entitled to 1/28th, rather than 1/8th

Interested to know what do you intend we do with all those extra thousands of tonnes of fish our fleets of trawlers will now catch as a result of our hard won victory on fishing rights? AS we struggle to sell what we catch to Europe now (our main market by a country/nautical mile), what are we going to do with 8 times as much fish...particularly after we've told them to foxtrot oscar on a deal?

No....fleets need to diversify and support for the offshore renewable energy industry looks like a sound investment. We could also ban/severely restrict imports of Tuna, warm water prawns and Alaskan Pollock in the hope of changing peoples eating habits and make people buy British....might P**s off some of those we're looking to do trade deals with, mind.....

Not only that, but fishing generally needs to be put on a far more sustainable footing. . . .and we have no hope of doing that without close cooperation.

EDIT .....oooh - forgot to mention the small matter of our fleets SELLING OFF their quotas to EU fleets too...and this nugget: "EU quota has become a tradable commodity and its value has soared. According to the environmental group, Greenpeace, just five wealthy UK families own or control nearly a third of the country's fishing quota."

So not jobs for all but jobs to ensure the few to get richer

 

[Oxt1]

The whole fishing thing is a symbolic fight, hard for the Conservatives to say they have delivered independence from the EU if we do not have control of our sovereign waters, I would be surprised if we don't end up with a Norwegian style quota agreement, but the compromise will be it is set every 5 years or such rather than annually. That way Macron et al can say they have protected the interests of their fisherman and the Conservatives can say we have control over our waters, everyone saves face and realistically the status quo in the short to medium term is maintained and gives time if the will and demand is there for us to rebuild our fishing fleets up.

 

[Essexyellows]

The whole fishing thing is a symbolic fight, hard for the Conservatives to say they have delivered independence from the EU if we do not have control of our sovereign waters, I would be surprised if we don't end up with a Norwegian style quota agreement, but the compromise will be it is set every 5 years or such rather than annually. That way Macron et al can say they have protected the interests of their fisherman and the Conservatives can say we have control over our waters, everyone saves face and realistically the status quo in the short to medium term is maintained and gives time if the will and demand is there for us to rebuild our fishing fleets up.

Hurrah! Someone gets it.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

OK, so we aren't now negotiating for real world deals but are standing our ground for 'symbolic fights' so those negotiating can save face, even if that risks the real world deals that are actually important for the country?

Which chapter of Alice Through The Looking Glass are the Tories using as a template for these negotiations?

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Smoke and mirrors then....a complete waste of time and nobody wins. Brexit in a nutshell!

Build up our fishing fleets...yeah....right!
From said article: "Yet there's a precedent for taking back control - and it's relevant to Grimsby's decline. Because even before the UK joined what became the EU, its own fishermen were ejected from the fisheries of another country. The so called "cod wars", a series of fishing disputes from the 1950s to 70s, resulted in a 200-mile exclusion zone around Iceland. Ultimately, that rendered Grimsby's deep-sea operators unviable, and they made up the majority of the fleet. This was before European quotas came into existence and dealt a blow to the owners of boats suited to the shallow waters of the North Sea."

It might be convenient to blame the EU for the demise of the majority of our fishing fleet, but it is not factually correct! Add into that selling off our valuable quotas to the highest bidder, all sold off by private concerns that do not benefit UK PLC and yet again....normal folk gain absolutely nothing from the whole charade

 

[OUFCGav]

Smoke and mirrors then....a complete waste of time and nobody wins. Brexit in a nutshell!

Build up our fishing fleets...yeah....right!
From said article: "Yet there's a precedent for taking back control - and it's relevant to Grimsby's decline. Because even before the UK joined what became the EU, its own fishermen were ejected from the fisheries of another country. The so called "cod wars", a series of fishing disputes from the 1950s to 70s, resulted in a 200-mile exclusion zone around Iceland. Ultimately, that rendered Grimsby's deep-sea operators unviable, and they made up the majority of the fleet. This was before European quotas came into existence and dealt a blow to the owners of boats suited to the shallow waters of the North Sea."

It might be convenient to blame the EU for the demise of the majority of our fishing fleet, but it is not factually correct! Add into that selling off our valuable quotas to the highest bidder, all sold off by private concerns that do not benefit UK PLC and yet again....normal folk gain absolutely nothing from the whole charade

indeed, like many things with Brexit, the Conservatives (and to a smaller extent Labour) have spent decades blaming the EU for many things that had nothing to do with them but were an easy scapegoat for. And don't get me started on the blatant lies spread by Boris when he was a journalist - he couldn't be arsed with actual work when he was sent to Brussels. so just made up outlandish things and the frothing masses never looked past his poetic prose.