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[Essexyellows]

Test & Trace is "rubbish"?

1. Of the 106,000 cases handled by NHSTT, 92,000 (87%) were reached and 191,000 contacts were identified – around 2 contacts per case of which 94% were reached.

2. NHSTT has now started publishing end-to-end timings, meaning the average (median) time taken to reach a contact from when the case first reported developing symptoms. In the most recent week this was 78 hours, the lowest so far and nearly half of the 143 hours recorded at the start of October.

Source & performance information:

NHS Test and Trace performance tracker

Our analysis on the performance of NHS Test and Trace from 1 October 2020 to 5 May 2021.

www.health.org.uk

We tend to under estimate the scale of what has been built in terms of infrastructure and capacity to envelope 67 million folk.

Vaccination - what do you do with those who refuse/decline? Apart from that the efficacy of 1 shot (70% + reduction in hospitalisation) compared to 2 shots (90% reduction in hospitalisation) has to be balanced against giving more people 1 shot.

 

[Essexyellows]

So 230 of a crowd of 8,000 at the Kassam. Puts Ibrox, Bradford, Heysel and Hillsborough in perspective.

People die every day, it will be the excess deaths that tells the real story.
Many who died "with Covid" could have just as likely died of pre-existing conditions or other respiratory/cardio/systemic problems.
We have got very good at keeping very poorly people alive until something like Covid comes along.
Couple of years back 20,000+ died of flu.... not a mention.

 

[QR]

Test & Trace is "rubbish"?

1. Of the 106,000 cases handled by NHSTT, 92,000 (87%) were reached and 191,000 contacts were identified – around 2 contacts per case of which 94% were reached.

2. NHSTT has now started publishing end-to-end timings, meaning the average (median) time taken to reach a contact from when the case first reported developing symptoms. In the most recent week this was 78 hours, the lowest so far and nearly half of the 143 hours recorded at the start of October.

Source & performance information:

NHS Test and Trace performance tracker

Our analysis on the performance of NHS Test and Trace from 1 October 2020 to 5 May 2021.

www.health.org.uk

We tend to under estimate the scale of what has been built in terms of infrastructure and capacity to envelope 67 million folk.

Vaccination - what do you do with those who refuse/decline? Apart from that the efficacy of 1 shot (70% + reduction in hospitalisation) compared to 2 shots (90% reduction in hospitalisation) has to be balanced against giving more people 1 shot.

£22b cost. 191k people reached (the penultimate objective, the ultimate objective being the person actually isolating)
= £115,000 per person reached.

That's only a success for those in receipt of the £22 billion!

 

[Sheik djibouti]

£22b cost. 191k people reached (the penultimate objective, the ultimate objective being the person actually isolating)
= £115,000 per person reached.

That's only a success for those in receipt of the £22 billion!

You could put 9 probes on Mars for that

 

[Ian]

Actually the "disaster planning" was up and running while those in charge sorted out the "managed crash landing".
We had potato cold stores emptied out for temporary mortuaries and all kinds of bleak stuff was in hand.
Of course there were mistakes made, the transfer of untested patients from hospitals to care homes being the most noticeable however that was in the early days where hospital testing capacity and what we were testing for wasn`t there... it got fixed.
Same as having millions of folk sat at home getting paid.... it got fixed.
We came close but never ran out of PPE.... it got fixed.
Testing capacity.... got fixed.
Vaccine development ..... fixed.
Vaccination programme... fixed.

Yep the circus and it`s ringleader fixed a lot of stuff.

We didn't run out of PPE? Yet there were healthcare workers without it... Ah, some healthcare workers had a continuous supply of PPE - Sod the rest! Well done Boris!

 

[Ian]

Actually the "disaster planning" was up and running while those in charge sorted out the "managed crash landing".
We had potato cold stores emptied out for temporary mortuaries and all kinds of bleak stuff was in hand.
Of course there were mistakes made, the transfer of untested patients from hospitals to care homes being the most noticeable however that was in the early days where hospital testing capacity and what we were testing for wasn`t there... it got fixed.
Same as having millions of folk sat at home getting paid.... it got fixed.
We came close but never ran out of PPE.... it got fixed.
Testing capacity.... got fixed.
Vaccine development ..... fixed.
Vaccination programme... fixed.

Yep the circus and it`s ringleader fixed a lot of stuff.

Increased reliance on foodbanks... Is this a success?

Hungry children... A success? Ok, so Marcus Rashford stuffed that up a little bit.

These so called Tory achievements... Are they down to the Tories, or despite the Tories? I can't imagine the Tory's played a direct roll in the achievements. But, they seem to be taking the credit from the scientists and healthcare professionals.

Vaccine development was an international achievement by scientists, not politicians... The Germans and Americans at the forefront, but still an international achievement - a success due to collaborative working...

The UK has got out the first jab relatively quickly, but is slow in delivering the second jab.

 

[Ian]

There is a lot of fanatical flag waving by supporters of Team Boris. These fanatics will never accept that their idol is flawed. No matter how often he is caught lying, no matter how he abuses the office he holds. No matter the cost of his incompetence.

These fanatics do not progress our nation. They undermine our democracy.

Leadership of nations isn't about charisma, and being "entertaining", it's about well reasoned, transparent and honest, intellectual decision-making.

Boris has boundless charisma. He is lacking in all other areas.

 

[Sarge]

You could put 9 probes on Mars for that

.... but theyd all have to isolate, in a cave, at their own expense, for 14 days, when they got there...wouldn't they?

 

[Essexyellows]

We didn't run out of PPE? Yet there were healthcare workers without it... Ah, some healthcare workers had a continuous supply of PPE - Sod the rest! Well done Boris!

Wasn`t down to lack of availability.
There were some issues within the supply chain purely due to volume & demand.
The WHO advice was followed at all times within our trust.
Don`t confuse what people wanted with what they needed to work safely.

 

[SteMerritt]

.... but theyd all have to isolate, in a cave, at their own expense, for 14 days, when they got there...wouldn't they?

Longer I'd hope, they aren't just visiting somewhere on the 'Red List', it's a whole 'Red Planet'.

 

[Essexyellows]

Increased reliance on foodbanks... Is this a success?

Hungry children... A success? Ok, so Marcus Rashford stuffed that up a little bit.

The UK has got out the first jab relatively quickly, but is slow in delivering the second jab.

Where did these people get food before foodbanks?

Hungry children? Major contribution will be poor parenting and decision making by the same, but society isn`t allowed to say that.

First jab...... better to have all those most at risk with 1 jab (70% efficacy) than far fewer with 2 jabs (90% efficacy).

 

[ZeroTheHero]

I thought it was revealing yesterday how Johnson dodged on particular question. He was asked how it is going to work when in a couple of weeks time a large and continuing amount of people who had their first jab 12 weeks ago are going to be added to queue of the millions yet to have it. He waffled on about the vaccine supplies - but surely the problem is not that, but the logistics of administering the vaccine? Will the vaccination centres be able to cope and will there be any separation between the two cohorts? I have every confidence that brighter minds than Johnson are working on this - but has anyone heard how this is going to work?

 

[Sarge]

Had your jab yet?

nope ... hoping mid march for the first half .... which equates that I'll have had my 2 part vaccination by (hopefully) mid June

update ..... getting my first jab this Saturday ( and it is the Oxford one)

 

[Sarge]

Test & Trace is "rubbish"?

1. Of the 106,000 cases handled by NHSTT, 92,000 (87%) were reached and 191,000 contacts were identified – around 2 contacts per case of which 94% were reached.

2. NHSTT has now started publishing end-to-end timings, meaning the average (median) time taken to reach a contact from when the case first reported developing symptoms. In the most recent week this was 78 hours, the lowest so far and nearly half of the 143 hours recorded at the start of October.

Source & performance information:

NHS Test and Trace performance tracker

Our analysis on the performance of NHS Test and Trace from 1 October 2020 to 5 May 2021.

www.health.org.uk

We tend to under estimate the scale of what has been built in terms of infrastructure and capacity to envelope 67 million folk.

Vaccination - what do you do with those who refuse/decline? Apart from that the efficacy of 1 shot (70% + reduction in hospitalisation) compared to 2 shots (90% reduction in hospitalisation) has to be balanced against giving more people 1 shot.

I think it is ( rubbish) .... introducing a system that only a fraction of the population can actually use ( and its only a percentage of those who have compatible devices who utilise the test and trace 'app'), really isn't good ..... as even the maximum figures given ,of 191,000 contacts identified, as a percentage of 67m , says it really isn't all that... for the entire UK population

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Interesting to revisit this Q&A with The Telegraphs Health Editor from May of last year: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/what-ppe-coronavirus-uk-shortage-nhs-safe-turkey/

Particularly useful for those with seemingly selective memories of how badly the government handled it.....

 

[QR]

There were some issues within the supply chain purely due to volume & demand.

As pre-warned by the government own Cygnus exercise and report. No excuse.

 

[Essexyellows]

As pre-warned by the government own Cygnus exercise and report. No excuse.

Yes in your perfect dream world it was "fore-warned" on paper.
However that doesn`t stop the fact of logistical challenge that was faced.
Even down to the basics of warehouse space, wagons and distribution on the shop floor.
Let alone all the world wanted it, most of it is made in China and factories were dealing with outbreaks and reduced production.

Oh and when they tried using stockpiled products (from the SARS/MERS epidemic) that had passed their expiry date but were still safe , people complained

 

[Steve McAvoy]

Where did these people get food before foodbanks?

Hungry children? Major contribution will be poor parenting and decision making by the same, but society isn`t allowed to say that.

First jab...... better to have all those most at risk with 1 jab (70% efficacy) than far fewer with 2 jabs (90% efficacy).

No such thing as ‘society’.

 

[QR]

Yes in your perfect dream world it was "fore-warned" on paper.
However that doesn`t stop the fact of logistical challenge that was faced.
Even down to the basics of warehouse space, wagons and distribution on the shop floor.
Let alone all the world wanted it, most of it is made in China and factories were dealing with outbreaks and reduced production.

Oh and when they tried using stockpiled products (from the SARS/MERS epidemic) that had passed their expiry date but were still safe , people complained

Oh for a life without challenges, eh.

 

[Ian]

Where did these people get food before foodbanks?

Hungry children? Major contribution will be poor parenting and decision making by the same, but society isn`t allowed to say that.

First jab...... better to have all those most at risk with 1 jab (70% efficacy) than far fewer with 2 jabs (90% efficacy).

In the lifetimes of people alive today, water was obtained by dropping a bucket into a well. They had no electricity at home. It's only in the last decade that smartphones have been widespread. It's only recently that people have started to move away from their home towns and villages. There are village graveyards filled by people from one family, but the new generations have moved their separate ways.

You are blaming the less wealthy for their plight, many of them key workers in the NHS... Yet, fail to acknowledge how governments have reshaped our communities, our society. Fail to acknowledge technological changes.

A decline in the trade unions, zero hours contracts, the gig economy.... But; it seems that some are unaware of this sort of change because it goes against the propaganda they've read from their billionaire owned tabloid...